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Ripplin said:

I've been reading Flaming Carrot and Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman lately. :)

I could make you a really good quality version of that pic if you'd like, Bingo.

Thanks for the offer Ripplin but I've got most of Flaming Carrot so I've got it several times over.

Space is a bit tight here at Chateau Bingowings so I only drag my scanner out for emergencies, ergo the poor quality image illustrating my post but it makes the point I think.

I started collecting them in my college years.

Always nice find another UTcase ;-)

ABD there is an action figure sadly I've been banned from getting anymore plastic people by the better half.

 

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"Bingowings" said:

 

But it makes the point I think.

 

I respect your opinion Bingo, but Leia pointing out to the executor and saying "Look, Star Destroyer" isn't any different than Lando doing the same thing when they approach luke. Lando points out and says "Look, someones up there".  You have 2 instances here playing out in the same exact manner.

Just wanted to point that out, no offense to you at all.

 

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However, Ady could reconstruct that scene visually where the executor appears in some other fashion after she mentions it. One idea would be to have it much further back in the distance, and rapidly getting closer as the Falcon approaches.

 

"Rapidly getting closer" indeed! :) The thing is not big but "quite" fast! :) :)

I mean, after Leia points it and it is shown in the distance, the Falcon turns in a clear attempt to keep distance but a few moments later the Falcon is 'flying low" near the Executor´s side trench, with fighters still in pursuit; moving the Executor further back while keeping the rest of the sequence doesn´t look that good in the whole picture...

 

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I've got to admit i have no problem whatsoever with the "stardestroyer" line. Now if they were all directly looking at it or we could see the stardestroyer when she says the line then i would agree that it's something that didn't need to be there. But, if you look at the scene, Lando and chewie are very preoccupied and haven't noticed that they are heading towards it, then they turn away from it.  Yes, Carrie does deliver the line in a very bland way but unless i can find an audio clip of Carrie delivering a more convincing "stardestroyer" line then it will not be changed.

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"BarBar Jinkx" said:

You know, for a movie that was going to have the least amount of work done to it for the revisited edits as it was a "perfect movie", there sure is a lot of things being suggested to fix it :-P

I agree. I never thought this edit would have gone this far. I originally thought that Ady was just going to color correct, fix the continuity errors, and change some of the problems the SE version caused. Now it's going through some major visual changes, and all of the suggestions that have come along ( with concept pics ) have also made a massive impact. This is edit is kind of approaching a point ( for me at least ) where it loosing it's appeal. While a few of the suggestion have been really cool, alot have been a crazy. Like the latest one where someone wanted leia's "look, Star destroyer"line changed.

 

I made the "least amount of work" comment before i had properly sat down and studied the movie. When i had actually done that i noticed so many things that needed fixing, a lot more then i thought it would be. Then there are the things that just can't be fixed with a quick FX fix, like the Wampa design discontinuities, the shield generator explosion which in turn needed new trooper elements to be filmed because of the many bright white frames they added for the explosion, then the "vaseline" smudged troopers fleeing the Walkers (which strangely enough doesn't seem to be a problem in the GOUT) and all the other shots that needed replacing with physical elements and not CG. Just because there have been many suggestions on what could be done to the movie this doesn't mean that these are actually being done to the movie.

And for those interested on how the edit is going, here is an updated screenshot so you can see what is left to be done:

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adywan said:

And for those interested on how the edit is going, here is an updated screenshot so you can see what is left to be done:

Neat. Take your time!!

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I suggested that the executor is in the wrong angle while is wrong stylistically having leia points up and seeing the top(instead of bottom) of executor.

And i cant find the pic i made showing it of(damn)

 

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It's your baby Ady so it's your call.

But Lando and Chewie not noticing is only an issue if that particular cockpit shot is used. 

If you drop the shot the Falcon is still being nudged in range of The Executor tractor beam just without the need of someone pointing it out.

Another possibility I thought about was trying to have Leia say something else like "Vader" (something Carrie must have said many times) and keeping her pointy hand down and just have everyone look up at the spot.

As a related side note, Vader disperses the fleet as a ruse to get the Falcon crew to think he doesn't know where they are so Fett can follow them.

There is no reason why he couldn't have called at least some of the ships back which could make for a more pleasing shot composition.

The Executor is a beautiful ship when it fills the frame but as a lone dart in the distance it doesn't look very imposing flanked by a few more ships it might look a little less feeble in that particular sequence.

Skywalker is Vader's main prize but Leia is still a major Rebel leader and making sure he gets the full set would justify using more than even his flag ship to secure his prey (the Falcon did manage to get passed the whole blockade on Hoth and the surrounding asteroid field).

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TV's Frink said:

If memory serves, killing Lando was a joke that people took seriously.

Well... that is debatable...

Frankly, I can go either way.  I understand that it was originally intended to kill SOMEBODY off, to add an element of sacrifice (ala STAR TREK 2) that really hit home with the audience - as in, to sacrifice a character nobody wanted to see die, as opposed to Wedge (which nobody wants to see die, but he is kinda periphery) or R2 (who could be rebuilt) or a random Ewok.  While I do like the "Yahoo!" from Lando, I could see it cut right when Lando rams/shoots out the reactor, flash of white light, DS2 blows up immediately, etc.

No doubt this will come up once the JEDI:REVISITED thread begins...

         

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Bobocop said:

Indeed, all the females of the universe would mourn the loss of such a smooth operator.

But I think even the "Two fighters against a star destroyer?" line pales in comparison to the delivery of ROTJ's "Copy, gold leader."

The only line in ESB I'd consider changing is the obvious one that's already being taken care of: the old "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival"

Speaking of bad lines, the JEDI: REVISITED thread is going to have a good number of posts on this one (um, the secondary fighter pilots? B-wing pilot (in his best Liam Neeson DARKMAN deadpan voice: "there's... too.. many.. of them")

But to keep it on target, have to concur with having no problem with either the "2 fighters vs. SD" or "look, SD" lines.  Maybe they could be better or edited out (or whatever) but nowhere NEAR rank in badness comparison to those lines from secondaries in JEDI.

         

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Monroville said:

TV's Frink said:

If memory serves, killing Lando was a joke that people took seriously.

Well... that is debatable...

why is it, or are you calling me a liar ? ;)

The whole" Lando dies" thing started out because so many were asking what my plans were for ROTJ:R when i was clearly still working on ESB:R and that is what the thread is for. So i just threw out something that would be controversial as a joke. End of.  I don't plan on any radical changes to the OT, just little bits here and there in ROTJ:R. The PT is another matter entirely though.

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Killing off Lando was a joke, but I know for a fact that ady is seriously considering killing off Luke.

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These people complaining about the crazy suggestions for ESB obviously haven't seen the RotJ Wishlist in my sig or the even more insane things I DIDN'T put on there. Everthing has been suggested and RotJR hasn't even started yet!

I'm still a supporter of killing Lando and removing Boba Fett completely. More on that whenever we move on to RotJR. I'm not going to be hurt if they don't make it in Revisited (or DO make it, as the case may be), because it's a fanedit, and the movie can be fan edited again.

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I shan't overly contaminate this thread with ROTJ talk but a Jedi reworking that doesn't radically change the presentation of the story would be to me merely a curio of a basis for future work.

Jedi is almost as flawed as the PT and treating it the same way as ANH or ESB (which have almost perfectly balanced stories, performances and direction) when so much is disappointing would be in itself disappointing going on what has gone so far.

These are Ady's projects but if that is the direction ROTJ:R is going to go hopefully someone else will take up the baton.

The visuals and sound are important, they can help tell an already good story in a different and effective way, but when the story is already broken just changing the surface details it wallpapering over the cracks.

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   I really hope they post the OT Boba Fett voice cause I really dislike the way he say's "He's worth alot to me" now, Its almost said as if he was rushed to get it recorded with no emotion in it compaired to the OT version.

   It sounds almost as if he is whinning, The emphasis in the Ot version is on what he is worth verses who he is worth to in the newer version.

-just saying.

By the way I'm a newbie here (probably shouldn't have said that) but been following the thread with vigor, and to Adywan....what can i say that hasn't already been said...

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It's always nice to see a new face but if you read the first page of the thread you will note that Fett's voice is returning to it's original form.

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Yep just checked that out...I have now officailly earned the newbie title..(sighs)

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Gonna double up my reply with that I hope they post the OT voice on the star wars soundboards which is what I meant to say in my first newbie post.

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Ady is using the 2004 DVD version (correct me if Im wrong please) to start on the ESB:R (which we all know had that horrible bluish coloring) but is any of the material used from the unaltered 2006 DVD version? If not is this something that is being considerd for the ROTJ:R edit? Using the unaltered version would save Ady so much time in the color correction phase of the edit as this is the version that had the least amount of changes done to it from the OT theatrical cut as well as no special edition changes.

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I know you're a noob, but have you seen the 2006 DVD? It's misframed, jittery, blurry, and nowhere close to the quality for 2004 1080p HD source he's using for ESB. He used it to help get the basis for his color correction, but the quality is worth the work to color correct each shot.

For example:

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Ah see there's where I had a problem, see after a few friends of mine complained about the 2004 version I made a point not to purchse this version and watched my OT tapes to stay true to the movies (although I did attempt to watch the 2004 version to my disappointment) I guess after watching my tapes old school style the 2006 version looked great.

After seeing your comparison shots it does indeed seem less likely to be used for the edit.

I just want to thank everyone for being patient with my comments, I know it can be frustrating to restate things that have obviously been seriously thought out and considered.

I have much to learn...

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"ADYWAN" said:

 

I've got to admit i have no problem whatsoever with the "stardestroyer" line. Now if they were all directly looking at it or we could see the stardestroyer when she says the line then i would agree that it's something that didn't need to be there. But, if you look at the scene, Lando and chewie are very preoccupied and haven't noticed that they are heading towards it, then they turn away from it.  Yes, Carrie does deliver the line in a very bland way but unless i can find an audio clip of Carrie delivering a more convincing "stardestroyer" line then it will not be changed.

 

The part where they turn away from the Executor is where I think a problem surfaces Ady. Moments later we see Vader looking out a window and we see the Falcon make the same maneuver again ( turning away ) this time alot closer to the Executor. I think perhaps making the Executor appearing really small and quickly getting larger as the Falcon gets closer ( without turning away ) could fix a potential continuity problem that I think there is at least.

 

 

I made the "least amount of work" comment before i had properly sat down and studied the movie. When i had actually done that i noticed so many things that needed fixing, a lot more then i thought it would be. Then there are the things that just can't be fixed with a quick FX fix, like the Wampa design discontinuities, the shield generator explosion which in turn needed new trooper elements to be filmed because of the many bright white frames they added for the explosion, then the "vaseline" smudged troopers fleeing the Walkers (which strangely enough doesn't seem to be a problem in the GOUT) and all the other shots that needed replacing with physical elements and not CG. Just because there have been many suggestions on what could be done to the movie this doesn't mean that these are actually being done to the movie.

 

Ady, it's just the crazy suggestions that are getting aggravating, and not the major/minor changes being applied. There are a couple of forum members here ( and I wont name them ) that dissect and analise shots that literally last a fraction of a sec, and without enough common sense, or research on their part, they throw it up here on the boards, and then they push it for 2 or 3 pages. I should have focused on that in my original post instead of generalizing on issue.

On a related subject, I recall the debating from a forum member about the shadows on the Falcon from the new Bespin approach shot you posted that got pretty aggravating. 

 

EDIT: Bingowings is excluded from this rant, lol.

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If posts of that nature really aggravate you I suggest that you don't read the thread or as soon as you see a post going in that direction skip to the next one.

People want to help Ady make his projects the best they can be.

It's up to Ady what he actually does but posting those suggestions comes from a genuine desire to make these projects go well.

Sure some of these posts read pedantic and retentive but that's how ironing out errors and making improvements are made.

You have to have an obsessive eye and ear for detail to do something like this otherwise you might as well just watch the DVDs and ignore the continuity screw ups, bizarre tints or  special effects that aren't really complete.

Most people do this when they watch a film but show them a version where these things are sorted out and a lot of people who claim to be not very discerning subconsciously pick up on them and 'feel' the film works better even if they don't know why.

One example being I recently played a preview of the ESB:R asteroid sequence on my computer and the better half (who claims to not like Star Wars at all) spotted it and was transfixed and commented how great it was.

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I noticed this while watching the film the other day, and is either an easy or difficult fix, depending on your preference.  After Vader slices off Luke's hand, in a low angle shot on Luke, you can see Vader's lightsaber is still ignited, but in all subsequent shots, it has already been turned off.  There is no SFX of the saber being switched off, either.  The film cuts like this: shot one (seen below) cuts to a medium shot of Vader (with the saber out of frame), and then, to the second shot below where the saber is off.  So, you could potentially add in the SFX when it is out of frame, but that cutaway is one second long, at best.  So, I'm not sure how good it would play.  The alternative is painting out the saber in three different shots following Luke's hand being cut off.

-NJM