FYI
The vintage ESB TIE fighter was blue: http://www.12back.com/vehicles/tiebd.php3
The vintage ROTJ TIE ineterceptor was gray: http://www.12back.com/vehicles/tieint.php3
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Lets talk a little about film first, shall we?
Paint in film is a particularly funny thing. In Jurassic Park, you'd be hard pressed to find a screen cap of a raptor that looks anything buy brown:
but let me assure you now... every animatronic raptor was fully painted like this
That's the thing about film... the way something is painted and how we see it IRL... is NOT...almost ever... how it appears in the film.
That's why movie sets always seem a bit off... it's becuase they are painted slightly off so that the filter... the lighting...whatever it may be... will show off the CORRECT color.
Now, these fighters are painted blue... which seems like an absurd thing to do when you're blue screening them, especially when Grey would totally work..
But they are painted this way for a reason... so that once blue screened... they stillstick out and have a light blue/grey look..
I for one think that as long as they are the ALL are the same color and are not ANH color, or close to Vaders ship, then that is the perfect color... Your color is fine by me Ady
Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
-Me
Yes, like when the scutters were changing the hallways from Ocean Gray to Military Gray, they were actually doing it the other way around.
*hopes someone will get that*
Ripplin said:
Yes, like when the scutters were changing the hallways from Ocean Gray to Military Gray, they were actually doing it the other way around.
*hopes someone will get that*
yeah, but i think rimmer had a preference for one of the colors, only dave didn't get why they changed the color, since they looked so familiar..
oh smeg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]
One more for the night. I found what might be a stand in that doesn't move during the Hoth battle. Maybe you could make his head 1) move 2) vaporize
Love the holo-Obi! :)
Adywan & everyone on here,
I really think that you should leave the clone voice on Boba Fett, as it will not only tie in with the prequels, but it will also give Boba a link to his true Mandalorian origins (just like his Father's voice), he is after all a clone of his Father! His voice may have altered slightly as the years went by, so I suggest maybe Adywan mixing the two voices (original - before 2004 DVD voice version and prequel - 2004 DVD version) together to get a healthy balance of what would be a modern day Boba Fett voice.
What do you think?
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GoodMusician, I don't see suggestion to remove the tape from the tubes Vader cuts in the Suggestion Terminal.
Here is a picture posted by Darth Stewie.
Shadowman99 said:
One more for the night. I found what might be a stand in that doesn't move during the Hoth battle. Maybe you could make his head 1) move 2) vaporize
For some reason I thought you were going to start talking about Red Dwarf when I saw your pic of Obi-Wan.
That's awesome Sumatra. It's one thing to find pictures of the models online. It's quite another to have someone go and take pictures specifically for Adywan to figure out which shade to have the TIE fighters.
Had anyone told me a few months ago that I would be reading arguments as to the shade of blue of TIE Fighters, I would have said they were crazy. Now its how I spend my free time.
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Ladyferry,
I respectfully and passionately disagree with your stance on Boba Fett's voice. In 1979 when they were filming Empire, there was a narrative and artistic reason they chose the voice they did for Boba Fett, and that gravelly sinister mysterious voice was just as responsible as the intricate costume for catapulting Fett into the mythic status he held with all of the kids in my generation growing up in the early 1980s. Boba Fett proved his perfection long ago and his popularity did not simply endure, but increased in those middle years after the Star Wars Trilogy. Changing Boba Fett's voice was needlessly revisionist in the wrong direction. While we're at it, why don't we digitally give Han Solo a haircut and replace the Emperor's understated hood with that overblown wavy monstrosity he wears in the Prequels?
Simply put, Boba Fett's original voice is as iconic as James Earl Jones' for Vader and part of the Star Wars landscape. Why did Lucas see it unnecessary to replace all of Vader's lines with a filtered Hayden Christensen, but went to the pains of excising Fett, who in some polls is the more popular character? No one knows, but it doesn't work and Morrison's line deliveries are inferior to Wingreen's by a wide parsec. I agree with Ady on this one - leave Fett's voice as it was in 1980.
nohandluke
doubleofive said:
Had anyone told me a few months ago that I would be reading arguments as to the shade of blue of TIE Fighters, I would have said they were crazy. Now its how I spend my free time.
Somewhere, Mr. T is pitying you. I guess that's sort of an honor, so cheer up! :)
As for Boba Fett's voice, it certainly made sense that they had Morrison record those lines for ESB (because you know how they like to tinker with things that could've/should've remained finished when they were released), but they could have at least given him a cup of coffee first to wake him up. The thing is, most people don't care enough for the prequels to have his readings in ESB, no matter how well he could've done. I don't even want McDiarmid in there, so...yeah.
So more people are okay with Han Solo's pants changing from one movie to the next, but they want the TIEs to be all the same color, as if the TIEs associated with the Death Star are the default color for the TIEs in the rest of the galaxy? I think it's good that Han Solo doesn't always wear the same clothes (that could get smelly), and that the Empire doesn't always use the same paint job.
Point taken about the TIE Interceptor being a seperate instance from the TIE Fighters in ESB/ROTJ.
As for changing the color of the Executor... no, just no! We don't need to look to the video games to tell us how things are supposed to look in Star Wars.
Do we have to change things to make them all look the same? Basic consistency is one thing, making everything too bland and similar is another (like if somone wanted to remove all the color markings from the clones and battle droids in the prequels; or making all the lightsabers/blaster bolts the same color).
Variety is cool... anyway, that's my opinion.
i always liked the colouring/insignia designs from the prequels for ships, troops and battledroids etc. id like to see someone make OT stuff have them just out of interest, but i dont think it would fot too well with adywans style of working. i guess it would be moreinteresting to see the colouring/insignia removed from the PT, so everything is just beige, gray and blue-gray like the lord intended.
Kurgan said:
So more people are okay with Han Solo's pants changing from one movie to the next, but they want the TIEs to be all the same color, as if the TIEs associated with the Death Star are the default color for the TIEs in the rest of the galaxy? I think it's good that Han Solo doesn't always wear the same clothes (that could get smelly), and that the Empire doesn't always use the same paint job.
Point taken about the TIE Interceptor being a seperate instance from the TIE Fighters in ESB/ROTJ.
As for changing the color of the Executor... no, just no! We don't need to look to the video games to tell us how things are supposed to look in Star Wars.
Do we have to change things to make them all look the same? Basic consistency is one thing, making everything too bland and similar is another (like if somone wanted to remove all the color markings from the clones and battle droids in the prequels; or making all the lightsabers/blaster bolts the same color).
Variety is cool... anyway, that's my opinion.
I don't see anyone around here who wants the TIEs to be the same color as the ones in ANH. Honestly before this discussion, I never noticed that they were blue in the other movies. It's become that I don't care what color they are, as long as they are consistant from shot to shot. Vader can have an Elite Purple Squadron, as long as they are purple in every shot.
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I never said take away the original Boba Fett voice with the new 2004 DVD one, I said that it might be an idea to mix the two voices on top of each other to get one voice. Then we would have a voice thats not so different from both versions, having the gnarly menace of the first voice and the cloney voice of the second to tie the two trilogies together. I am a singer and when recording vocals in the studio I layer my voice together to make it stronger. This would be the same layering effect used on the Boba Fett voice, and the software used to do this takes out distortions and blends the voices together to form one. I think it would work in this instance with the two Boba Fett voices glued together, cleaned up and mixed as one voice. The result would be a menacing clone like voice with the attributes of both vocals, but in one voice.
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the voice merging sounds really interesting if it is to work. would you be able to make a sample? im assuming they say the same things, and have the timing the same?
Ah, double tracking...
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
The timing is off in a big way. One would have to stretch out Morrison's performance without it sounding really bad. I wish there was a Kiwi here who happened to be friends with Morrison, and could rerecord him on a better day...
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It can be done, but as doublefive states the timing of both voices is off (he's right). It would take a lot of cutting and pasting to get it spot on, and then morphing/layering software and a good mixer desk would get it crystal clear and coherent as one voice. Either that or someone would have to do an impression of a clone on top of the original voice? it could be done and would really work!
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I was under the impression that instead of making Boba's voice in ESB match AOTC, Adywan was considering modifying Jango's voice (when wearing the helmet) in AOTC to sound something more like Boba's original voice. So he'd still be making that a consistency of sorts between the Prequels and the originals.
Someone already said they didn't change Vader's voice to match Hayden's, and regardless of the actual SOUND of his voice, he doesn't deliver lines anything at all like James Earl Jones.
I like the idea of Jango's voice being the one that gets changed, so when he puts on the helmet he sounds more theatening. Heck, just remove Jango's lines altogether when he's wearing the helmet, he's more intimidating the less he says anyway.
The idea of merging the two Boba Fett voices together is a good one and something I would like to see.....errr, here.
However, I just don't get the consistency argument. Yes, Ady has already said he plans to alter Jango's voice in Ep.2 but he doesn't have too. Accents aren't genetic. We don't inherit them from our parents. We develope our own accents. There is no genetic marker for an accent so why would a clone (either Boba or any of the troopers) have the same voice.
The other argument is we never hear Boba talk without his helmet on. His natural voice may sound more like Jango's but he could have a voice modulator built into his helmet.
An example of both of these is Anakin Skywalker himself. His mother had a distinct accent but in the 9 years he lived with her (the same amount of time Boba lived with Jango) he didn't develope a simaller accent and doesn't sound anything like her. Later, after suffering from his injuries in Ep.3 he is given a walking life support system with it's own mask and as soon as he dons that mask, his voice changes. Sugesting that the Vader mask has a voice modulator built in.
Sorry if I've not made my ideas on this clear enough. It's very hard to put down in words my arguments for the origonal voice and why I just don't get why people keep on saying it would help with consistency with Ep.2.
Your brain just makes s**t up!
A fate worse than death? Having your head digitally replaced with that of Hayden Christensen!
Bobby Jay said:
Sorry if I've not made my ideas on this clear enough. It's very hard to put down in words my arguments for the origonal voice and why I just don't get why people keep on saying it would help with consistency with Ep.2.
I agree.
It was just an idea that I thought about the other day about merging the two voices, I'm just curious to find out if it works! I have always been curious to know just what it would sound like to have the original Boba voice morphed on top of the clone Boba voice thats all. And what with Adywan's idea of keeping the original voice in the Revisited Empire, I thought a few other opinions and ideas might spark debate on this issue. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes or work everyone up into a crazy 'original Boba voice versus 2004 DVD clone Boba voice' frenzy, I'm just trying to get an idea out there into the public online realm that could or could not happen in the Revisited movie. Its all up to Adywan in the end, as he is the genius doing the most amazing restoration and digital work on our favourite films.
Its just an idea!
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I'm against keeping Temura Morrison's voice in this edit. It's just not classic Trilogy. Lucas should not have changed it to begin with. Only reason Why it was changed was that Lucas shot the prequels in Austrailia and Temura Morrison is a well known actor from that country. Now this is just my own speculation, but I believe it was a public relations decision that landed Temura Morrison the role as Boba fetts father to begin with. No offence to you folks in Austrailia at all.
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