Ady, great to see your back on the edit! Hope your wife is getting better.
I have a couple of questions about the camera your using when you film the starships. Does it film at the same frame rate they used to film the actual models, one frame per second? I know you can adjust the shutter speed, but if it doesn't have the ability to film at the same rate, will the quality be a little bit different even if you change the frame rate in post?
Just a few questions I have been wanting to ask for a while.
Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights
Not to fan the flames of the debate any further, but I just wanted to say that I thought your treatment of the vane shot in ESB was terrific DE. It's the kind of thing that, if it were worked into an exiting version of ESB, I'd probably feel something was different, but wouldn't be able to place it, which, to me, is the best compliment an FX artist can be paid.
And Ady... first you tell us you've actually got a filming unit in the U.S., and then that you're thinking of building a new vane. Man, at this rate, you'll probably end up just reshooting all of ESB :) Hope you don't bite off so much that you end up feeling like you're not progressing with this edit.
If you don't mind my asking, is the only reason you don't want to use DE's technique for the vane shot because you feel you'd be copying him? Would this be an issue for you, DE? Perhaps there's a code of conduct among fan editors that I'm unaware of.
“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers
DE and Ady are kindred spirits, drawing inspiration from each other. I don't see the problem. Haha. ;)
Jaitea said:
Vaderios said:
Im not so sure about the new sky it have to be more bright but at least the background buildings are gone for sure!
I've updated the sky, think it looks a bit more like the previous shot anyway have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMsBoHtS8Uc
J
God I love this!
If you don't mind my asking, is the only reason you don't want to use DE's technique for the vane shot because you feel you'd be copying him? Would this be an issue for you, DE? Perhaps there's a code of conduct among fan editors that I'm unaware of.
For the record I have absolutely no problem with anyone using any part of my edit for their own, as long as they don't try to pass it off as their own work. But, and I suspect Adywan may feel the same way (though I'm not suggesting he would want to use my shot), it would feel like I was cheating myself to use someone else's work. It is kinda hard not to "draw inspiration" (i.e. nick the idea) from some of the stuff Ady's done, though! ;)
I'd also like to publicly thank Adywan for taking the time to help me out with a bit of broadcast HD footage I needed for my edit - thanks!
DE
Jacen said:
I hate to confirm what BmB said about zooming, but it is correct that when you zoom in on a 3D image, the "closer" elements do not move spatially against the "further away" elements. The reason is simple-- your position behind the camera has not changed.
yeh, i don't know why i said there would be any spacial movement is a zoom but i guess i'm not really thinking straight at the moment. What i was meaning to say was optical distortion for zooming. oh well.
Mum was rushed into hospital saturday morning with severe breathing difficulties and with everything else thats wrong with here recently its not looking good. She is deteriorating pretty fast and the doctors have told us to prepare for the worse. We're all preying that she will fight back and make a miraculous recovery like last time. So running back and forth between the hospital, helping out my 80 year old dad, getting the costume accessories ready to ship out to the 2 unit for filming and working on the edit is a bit stressful to say the least at the moment so i won't be fully back for a while and if i appear to be snappy in my posts then i apologise.
BmB said:
The next time someone throws an issue down to a matter of taste I don't know what I'm going to do. But for now I will merely harm my keyboard with my forehead. Or the other way around if you will.
That is to say, if you disagree tell me why, don't just say it.
well thats very mature. So if anyone disagrees with your infinite wisdom then you become aggressive. Why do most of your posts here at OT.com consists of saying things are crap? Not just here but in other threads too? instead of bashing anything anyone seems to be doing why don't you show us what you can do? If you are so knowledgeable about such things then you must have some experience in art or 3D so please show us how it should be done to look convincing then.
Evereyone else realises that DE's shaft clip is a work in progress and was just a test to show what could be done and they can seem to get that little detail into their heads when judging it so why can't you? You don't like it. Ok, we get it. we have our own opinions and you have yours.
so, at the end of the day, i guess its a matter of taste ;)
rcb said:
BmB reminds me of killLucas, i think that was the screen name, that is before he got kicked off. :p
yeh, he does remind me of an ex- member of here. Not too sure if it was killlucas or not but his writing styles are very similar to a banned member.
AuggieBenDoggie said:
Ady, great to see your back on the edit! Hope your wife is getting better.
I have a couple of questions about the camera your using when you film the starships. Does it film at the same frame rate they used to film the actual models, one frame per second? I know you can adjust the shutter speed, but if it doesn't have the ability to film at the same rate, will the quality be a little bit different even if you change the frame rate in post?
Just a few questions I have been wanting to ask for a while.
The camera speeds available are; 25fps@1080p & 50fps@1080i. the good ting about the 50fps is that it can be deinterlaced to 1080p@25fps which will give a slow motion look which will be perfect for filming the Wampa to give the puppet added weight and also good for other shots
Darth Editous said:
If you don't mind my asking, is the only reason you don't want to use DE's technique for the vane shot because you feel you'd be copying him? Would this be an issue for you, DE? Perhaps there's a code of conduct among fan editors that I'm unaware of.For the record I have absolutely no problem with anyone using any part of my edit for their own, as long as they don't try to pass it off as their own work. But, and I suspect Adywan may feel the same way (though I'm not suggesting he would want to use my shot), it would feel like I was cheating myself to use someone else's work. It is kinda hard not to "draw inspiration" (i.e. nick the idea) from some of the stuff Ady's done, though! ;)
I'd also like to publicly thank Adywan for taking the time to help me out with a bit of broadcast HD footage I needed for my edit - thanks!
DE
well i wanted to build a model set mainly because i wanted to be able to do the idea i had of the longer sweeping shot that combines the matte and the following shot of luke. But if it isn't possible to pull that off then i would probably have to do something similar to DE's shot. I wouldn't be using your shot tough DE, i would be doing my own version from scratch.
No thanks needed DE :). I was glad to be able to be of some help
adywan said:
rcb said:
BmB reminds me of killLucas, i think that was the screen name, that is before he got kicked off. :p
yeh, he does remind me of an ex- member of here. Not too sure if it was killlucas or not but his writing styles are very similar to a banned member.
Maybe Mr. Ghostface?
Sorry to hear about your mum, Adywan. We'll hope for the best.
Thoughts go out to you and your family adyman...from someone who went thru pretty much the same thing a few years back, it ain't easy.
Take care
adywan said:
BmB said:
The next time someone throws an issue down to a matter of taste I don't know what I'm going to do. But for now I will merely harm my keyboard with my forehead. Or the other way around if you will.
That is to say, if you disagree tell me why, don't just say it.
well thats very mature. So if anyone disagrees with your infinite wisdom then you become aggressive. Why do most of your posts here at OT.com consists of saying things are crap? Not just here but in other threads too? instead of bashing anything anyone seems to be doing why don't you show us what you can do? If you are so knowledgeable about such things then you must have some experience in art or 3D so please show us how it should be done to look convincing then.
Evereyone else realises that DE's shaft clip is a work in progress and was just a test to show what could be done and they can seem to get that little detail into their heads when judging it so why can't you? You don't like it. Ok, we get it. we have our own opinions and you have yours.
so, at the end of the day, i guess its a matter of taste ;)
:|
I don't get riled up because someone disagrees with me. Of course not. I get aggravated when they disagree but then refuse to give any kind of backing argument that might lead to a meaningful and productive discussion.
It's a work in progress, sure. It could be better, of course. And I was trying to point out what I thought was wrong with it and gave my thoughts on what you might do to make it better. I guess I could line up and say "it looks great, DE!", but then I'd be at least partially lying. :/
Also, I'm quite impressed that you're able to juggle all that and keep it together.
I'm really sorry to hear about your mother Ady. I'll be thinking of you and your family.
“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers
Sorry to hear of your situation, remember we're all here to support you.
J
adywan said:
Mum was rushed into hospital saturday morning......
A wise man once said to me, "Young man, wanna live to be my age? Then don't sweat the small stuff...." Now obviously, I am not referring to your mother's condition when I quote this.
I am referring to all of this-- *waves arms around, motioning to this big forum of Star Wars geeks.* Use your time wisely and let this project be a release valve from real life, not yet another thing to stress about.
so, at the end of the day, i guess its a matter of taste ;)
;)
BmB said:
I don't get riled up because someone disagrees with me. Of course not. I get aggravated when they disagree but then refuse to give any kind of backing argument that might lead to a meaningful and productive discussion.
If you take a look at something that I've spent a lot of time and energy on and say to me, "Wow. That really sucks! You're just as bad as GL!! Here's what would make it better....", I really wouldn't care to have a "meaningful and productive discussion" with you.
In fact, I'd just tell you to f*** off and die.
Words can be weapons, my friend. Use them wisely. If you choose not to, then you have no right to adopt an attitude of logical and self-righteous indignation when people respond to you in a way that makes you want to.... how did you put it....?
"harm my keyboard with my forehead"Sure.
hope your mom gets better ady. take ur time, family comes first.
Jacen said:
If you take a look at something that I've spent a lot of time and energy on and say to me, "Wow. That really sucks! You're just as bad as GL!!
Its ok... Opinions are everywhere...
Since when GL went bad? :)
Here's what would make it better....", I really wouldn't care to have a "meaningful and productive discussion" with you.
In fact, I'd just tell you to f*** off and die.
In fact now you start flaming....
Words can be weapons, my friend. Use them wisely.
^^
-Angel
vaderios said:
Jacen said:
If you take a look at something that I've spent a lot of time and energy on and say to me, "Wow. That really sucks! You're just as bad as GL!!
Its ok... Opinions are everywhere...
Since when GL went bad? :)
Here's what would make it better....", I really wouldn't care to have a "meaningful and productive discussion" with you.
In fact, I'd just tell you to f*** off and die.
In fact now you start flaming....
Words can be weapons, my friend. Use them wisely.
^^
-Angel
The man was asking for it. And yeah, maybe I'm a little less diplomatic than I should be in the face of such foolishness.
=o)
Jacen said:
The man was asking for it. And yeah, maybe I'm a little less diplomatic than I should be in the face of such foolishness.
Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?;)
End that here...
Impfighter really cant wait for the new wall of analysis that you will bring :D
-Angel
The fool who listens to the fool who is following him and quotes a fool who is followed by a fool only to get his arse handed to him a few minutes later, all be it in an heroic attempt to get the other fool to....no...hang on I'll come in and do it again.
I thought this was the ESB:R thread not some kind of Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
"Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that." ;-D
That's it, bring in the comfy chair!
BmB said:
:|
It's a work in progress, sure. It could be better, of course. And I was trying to point out what I thought was wrong with it and gave my thoughts on what you might do to make it better. I guess I could line up and say "it looks great, DE!", but then I'd be at least partially lying. :/
The simple answer to this is if you don't like it then make it yourself
Ady, my heart goes out to you and your family, I know exactly what your going through at the moment, I lost my Dad last year at the age of 78.
*eats popcorn*
I wanna see more snow speeder flaps!!!
Flaps coming soon......
J