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Adywan, will you be adding some Bike Speeders to the Hoth battle?

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That's more EU mumbo-jumbo.  There were never 6 scout walkers. 

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adywan said:

That Vader Hologram does ned fixing. That was some bad bluescreen work. But there are no other shots of Vader from that angle that i could use. The only way i could do it is if someone here knows someone with an authentic Vader costume that could film some new footage, at the exact same angle and doing the same movements, that i could use for the hologram

 

This picture is about the right angle, isn't it?

 

I think this would fit perfectly if we could get someone to re-enact this to use as a hologram. :)

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You want the impossible At 1:11:26  Any one else notice the ground around Yoda,  when luke steps and the ground around Yoda flexes , and sinks. I dont know how to post a pictue of the clip, but that was always something that took me out of that scene of the movie.  Can that be fixed.  

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So, ImperialFighter and I are collaborating to put screenshots to some of his "quality control".  I am posting these pictures on his behalf, and he should be along shortly to comment on them.

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By the way, does anyone have a PAL to NTSC timecode translator?  I found that his timecodes were off a lot farther than I would have guessed!  Hope you enjoy his commentary, I'm sure I will!

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So how do you reclaim the colors Adywayn? What are you using for comparison?

 

Btw, did you ever get those VHS tapes you were talking about to compare the TIE colors?

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So how do you reclaim the colors Adywayn? What are you using for comparison?

 

Btw, did you ever get those VHS tapes you were talking about to compare the TIE colors?

I'm using various sources as reference, such as the GOUT, SE TB release, on set, model & publicity pics. To recover some colour i am using the TB ESB SE release overlayed in the bad sections over the 2004 version. But because the TB release isn't as sharp i can only use it at about a 20% transparency. the rest has to be recoloured by many layers & masks for each colour and shade. Not an easy task, but the colours are so bad in the 2004 release that it really needs the work done on it.

The VHS TV version wasn't good at all but i was able to use some sections to check colours. The TIEs aren't nearly as oversaturated as they are in the official VHS releases, but the other colours remain about the same as the GOUT (without the red tint) which makes me think that the blues were boosted for the Video releases, then they went mad for the 2004 set. I just wish i could see some proper frames from an original print. I'm going to use the ESB TIE model shots as reference. I hate the oversaturated blues of the TIES in ESB & ROTJ> too much of a difference from ANH and too far from the actual model. It's one thing I've always hated and the way they change colour from shot to shot. This is the colour the TIE's will be in ESB:R (just a quick mock-up)

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Well, it being different shouldn't be a problem, should it? It was obviously intentional. Just because the video games didn't pick it up shouldn't be a reason to hate on the color blue! (even if Lowry Digital and 20th Century Fox have abused it more than any color of the rainbow)

 

 

Red vs. blue tints... wow, I never realized that before, heh. As long as we can TELL they're blue (without needing a gray object or background next to them in-shot to compare) I'll be happy. I saw in the 1979 ("Launch") ESB Trailer in the asteroid chase they look about that color (though the Falcon looks greenish).

 

I'm sorry I can't be arsed to upload pics, but if anyone has the Bonus Masterials (disc 4 of the 2004 set, available seperately off Amazon.com for $5, yes!) Disc, I noticed some interesting things.

 

The colors are right! Yes, the Executor bridge looks like it does in your fixed shot. Luke's got his brilliant blue saber on the Falcon. Yep... clearly the team who designed these menus wasn't communicating with the team (or one guy at his computer) doing the color correction!

 

Now, if you to go to "Trailers & TV Spots"----> (Trailers) "Empire Strikes Back"-----> "Launch" you'll notice (aside from the "forbidden kiss" at :56-:57 something interesting... is it just me or is that a new shot of the Wampa claws opening in the foreground with Luke hanging upside down in the background? Maybe it's been too long since I've watched the GOUT, but that looks new for some reason.

 

Somebody tell me I'm crazy. Otherwise I'll double check it later after I've had a nap... ;)

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Well, it being different shouldn't be a problem, should it? It was obviously intentional. Just because the video games didn't pick it up shouldn't be a reason to hate on the color blue! (even if Lowry Digital and 20th Century Fox have abused it more than any color of the rainbow)

 

 

Red vs. blue tints... wow, I never realized that before, heh. As long as we can TELL they're blue (without needing a gray object or background next to them in-shot to compare) I'll be happy. I saw in the 1979 ("Launch") ESB Trailer in the asteroid chase they look about that color (though the Falcon looks greenish).

 

I'm sorry I can't be arsed to upload pics, but if anyone has the Bonus Masterials (disc 4 of the 2004 set, available seperately off Amazon.com for $5, yes!) Disc, I noticed some interesting things.

 

The colors are right! Yes, the Executor bridge looks like it does in your fixed shot. Luke's got his brilliant blue saber on the Falcon. Yep... clearly the team who designed these menus wasn't communicating with the team (or one guy at his computer) doing the color correction!

 

Now, if you to go to "Trailers & TV Spots"----> (Trailers) "Empire Strikes Back"-----> "Launch" you'll notice (aside from the "forbidden kiss" at :56-:57 something interesting... is it just me or is that a new shot of the Wampa claws opening in the foreground with Luke hanging upside down in the background? Maybe it's been too long since I've watched the GOUT, but that looks new for some reason.

 

Somebody tell me I'm crazy. Otherwise I'll double check it later after I've had a nap... ;)

no you're not imagining things. that shot of the wampa claws is one not used in the movie. there is a green tint to the Falcon and a bit on one of the asteroids, but the colours of the TIEs looks just like the models before they boosted the blues and the asteroids look a good colour too. So thats the colour i'm going with.

One thing with that trailer that really interests me is the quick explosion footage. It looks to me to be the original explosion for the shield generator. Why didn't they just use that instead of the horribly composited one in the movie i'll never know. the unused one is so much better

Its a pity a few previous frames of that explosion aren't available because i would love to use this for the shield generator.

Talking of which, does anyone have any good quality pictures of the model used for the shield generator at all?

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Kurgan said:

the Bonus Masterials (disc 4 of the 2004 set, available seperately off Amazon.com for $5, yes!

Wow, I had no idea. Everyone should have that disc. As opposed to the mess of the movies they're based on (and in the same box set as), it's excellent!

Oh, and Ady, what is this TB you keep mentioning? I couldn't even find it in Moth3r's acronym buster. :p

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Thanks, Ady. I'll have to search the forum for that thread, though. All I've been getting lately when someone adds a link here is some weird error page, which includes the following message: "File not found: /topic.cfm" Even when I copy and paste the link in another window, I get the same error page.

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Here are the shots taken from the official bonus disc (TIE shots are from the Trailers and TV spots on the disc... I left out the ones that depict gray TIES alongside a green falcon in the asteroid field):

 

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Note: the aspect ratios appear screwed up, but that's just because I resized them for these posts (either to 320x240 or

640x480). The actual shots look fine and you can tell by inputing the url from properties of any image (wish there was an

"auto thumbnail" feature on here!).

 

Wampa scene from the trailer (claws opening... is this a deleted shot?)

Interestingly, in this shot (from the Stills Gallery) the models appear gray, though I've seen the pics on SWTC that look blue.

 

Executor Bridge from the Trailers menu:

 

Now the ROTJ shots:

 

 

 

Again, sorry about the size, I hope these help a bit.

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yeh, well i'm definately going for the light blue/ grey look. the dark blue TIEs in the large asteroid chase shots look horrible. way to dark and oversaturated. I also noticed just how bad the colours are in the ROTJ shots you posted. You can see how oversaturated the Falcons cockpit shots are, yet the TIE still is still a light blue/grey colour. And the shots of the battle over Endor, the blues have been boosted too much again for the whole shot.  I noticed too the difference between these 2 shots. the first set has a blue tint which makes the TIEs look blue but the bottom set have better colouring and the TIEs are almost grey. I know which one i'm going with

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adywan said:

One thing with that trailer that really interests me is the quick explosion footage. It looks to me to be the original explosion for the shield generator. Why didn't they just use that instead of the horribly composited one in the movie i'll never know. the unused one is so much better

Its a pity a few previous frames of that explosion aren't available because i would love to use this for the shield generator.

Talking of which, does anyone have any good quality pictures of the model used for the shield generator at all?

 

How many frames is "a few"?  Can you "copy/shrink/paint out" a few times to create the frames you need?

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But if we put the TIEs from ANHR and the TIEs from ESBR side by side, the ESBR one is going to look more blue, right (and same if we put an ESBR TIE in front of a Star Destroyer hull or other gray surface)?

 

No LESS blue than this...?

 

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Gosh... I'm gone a few days and you all have... DELUSIONS of grandeur! lol

 

Anywho... Let me say this...

 

As... auditorially sound as I am... right now my JOB is selling sunglasses (and might I add I do that QUITE WELL)... so Let me talk a minute about the type of tintings available, usages, and reasons.

 

Most lenses these days come with UV protection. UV protection IS NOT...let me say this again... IS NOT TINTED. In fact, UV proction is completely clear. So technically, you can have clear lenses.. and STILL be UV protected.

That having been said, there are several different types of lenses, coatins, colors...all have different suggested usages.

 

True Black- Used for people who ahve eye surgery. Old people wear them too. Not to be worn while driving or while at night (sometimes old people WILL need to wear things at night becuase of the brightness of car headlights (especially now with those really bright ones). Incidentally, the tint of the X-Wings looks like this...

Ray Ban Green Lens - I put this next as its truly darker than most other lenses. The green will cancel out a lot of the light but also won't disable you.

Black lens - Use to not change contrast or highten anything. Simply for cutting down on brightness.

Brown/Bronze lenses are suggested in twilight. They heighten greens and light, while still taking the edge of brightness. They have HIGH contrast.

Rose - Used for people who need contrast, but must have a darker lens thank clear or yellow. This cuts down on a lot of light, but still not being too much light. Gives a lot of contrast to light/dark and used especially in golfing.

Pink - Cuts down on light. A variant of the Rose/Yellow but is brighter like the yellow.

Yellow- Yellow lenses work in a way to truly bring out contrast between light/dark, and also to give greater depth detail to changes in the road ahead such as hight, grass, pebbles...etc. They are most commonly used in sking or biking or running. Any time where small imprections in the road can be disastrous. Used most notably in snow. The tint of the Speeder pilots eye protection is like this.

Clear - Used for night time or for motorcyclists who don't want any tinting. It does, as stated, offer UV protection (and protection in general as Motorcyclists don't have windshileds so it will protect the eyes from bugs--especially if they're the Oakley lenses which are all impact tested and do not shatter).

 

A mirrored finish will also help cut down on light by reflecting non-essential light back out.

 

Polorization is also something that is truly recomended in conditions like that of Hoths. It would cut down on glare from the snow and would help give a crisp image. I dunno if you all played with glass in science that was like this. If you took two, and layered them, the image would be the same, maybe slightly darker... but when turned, the image went black...

 

Maybe the cockpit for the XWings is polarized and maybe it could simply be coming out too dark in the film... how possible is it to lighten just the windows in the external shots?

 

I don't think they polorize anything that big though... nothing with that much curve as if you turn your head, it'll cancel itself out and the screen'll go black if lined up a certain way.

 

So if I may suggest, if ANYTHING...the colior would be a ROSE... not a DEEP red... but like a rose... If not that... black. Maybe a mirroed finish as well. Possibly even a Brown color as that is more of an All Purpose Color and these are All Purpose craft.

 

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That informercial out of the way... lol

 

I like the idea of changing a bit of the explosion of the power genearator. I'm sure you could find some way to incorporate another explosion. What might also be cool would be to have a sort of Ring come out (similar to the death star explosion) but maybe you could also noate it with a sfx...

I say this because I remember once as a child seeing/hearing a transformer explode across the canal from my house. It was an impressive sight... and when it did boom, I remember clearly it giving off a bluish ring which in the middle of the night, with dark, cloudy/rainy night, was hightened by the clouds. So maybe even a faint light with a low rumble with an electric zap could be cool... at least more "real"

 

And let me kinda quantify what I mean by ring... the myth busters came to UF and played a video they called "Explosion Porn" and in it, they show a shot from this episode... Its near the middle:

 

Near the Middle

Kinda what I think... maybe if you can get this in good quality, you can color correct it and use IT as the explosion?? heh

It's not so much a RING...as it's kinda like an area of air disturbance which creates a slight occular effect of warping the image being seen.

 

It would go Explosion (fire). the ground would almsot instantly, rushing out, have vibrations that would kick up snow.

Then the image would go blurry going out... and then Smoke/Snow would RUSH up...replacing all the fire.

 

As far as adding any more AT-AT's...what you had int eh video I think was the perfect amoung Ady... AT-St's would be the only thing I'd say if you could add, do.

 

When I mentioned Geonosis, I simply meant in that sort of look.

 

The battle on Hoth is , yes, a diversion, but don't forget, the Emperor is displeased with Vader... they've lost the Death Star. Any chance they have to wipe out and crush the rebellion, they WILL take...

 

If I may further explain:

 

HOW I SEE BATTLE OF HOTH-

 

The first change would be to change how many star destroyers are in the blockade as it the "first catch of the day" leave. Both in the establishing shot, and a moment latter out the con window

I hate and LOVE that the music doesn't start as planned, but maybe you could reincorporate just a FEW seconds of the opening of the cue. Don't start it when it was planned to start... but the first binocular shot of the foot hitting the ground could be notated by the brooom BOOm, brooom boom-boom of the opening of the cue... fade it out slightly... let it be a bit mysterious as we see R2 get bonked by snow... then it comes in full force when it does normally.

Resyncing the guy calling in that the walkers could be seen. His line doesn't quite sync to his mouth.

 

The last shot of the speeders leaving, the last speeder to pull out, briefly you can see the support the "car" is on and the wire pulling it.

The next shot shows off the red lights on the lead walker. This may have been meant to kinda highten the reality... make it seem like (being also the closest) that you can not only see it, but somewhat into it... like how on Star Trek Voyager, befor the CG cross over, the model shots had certain windows have actual pictures of the set in them to make it seem more "real."

My only real suggestion in that is even if you have to make it NOT red... if you can find a way to still show movement, that might be a good idea. But if you can incorporate AT-ST's, then that'll be better as that'll really show off movement, and you won't ahve to show movement in the window. Just have it be silvery if you can.

 

The shot of the speeders heading towards the front line has absolutely no rebels firing. You have two good shots of the turrets moving, but NOT firing... maybe you could have them start...

 

As stated before, it woudln't make sense to have the speeders flying straight at the AT-AT's... but if the Turrets are laying down cover fire... maybe it would work better.

 

The guys who say "come on!" and go running... if I'm not mistaken... they have a special gun meant to penetrate the shileding on the walkers... I dunno how you could fix it so that they are the ones blowing up the walker.

 

If you're adding in a turret for the explosion scene, don't forget outside of Pietts AT-AT there is a shot of the generator that lacks it as well.

 

I then wonder, how did the command center get hit? Was it like one of the Star Destroyers bomb it or did an AT-AT fire at it... maybe something earlier during a lot of the explosion shots showing a hint of a large boom in the background. Then imperial troops enter the base. How'd they get there? Perhaps something in the background of a shot alluding to it too.

 

Also, the shot of the troops evacuating, you see a single Speeder fly overhead... perhaps showing a second one as well, or a third damaged one... I say this becuase the shots are so strong, and the music is getting so epic that mass chaos and panic might help heighten that shot too.

 

The jump shot of course.

The falcon's shadow, I THINK should be on the lower part of the mountain range.. .almost out of sight... if I'm judgeing the lighting right...

 

The shot as Luke flys away should probably have some Star Destroyers in it... but their angle should be high if you have shots like that... almost looking DOWN at them. If you look at the planet anyway, it looks like Luke flys "north" really and then leaves the atmosphere... the blockade probably being equatorial... maybe even show some small firing in the background... simliar to what the emperor sees out his window inROTJ in the distance signifying that people are still escaping and dealing with the EMpire and it wasn't a complete escape...

 

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The three star destroyers shields flickering off of eachother.

 

Maybe a longer shot/more tie fighters persuing the Falcon...

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Thats kinda how I see it... I think that it doesn't need much... but if you can do subtle things... I think it'll amp it up a TON...

 

 

 

 

 


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You know, some test animatics might serve as good refference to the hoth battle if anyone cares to make the effort. Could serve as an excelent tool for ady when deciding on what to do on some stuff, you never know. It would be fun to see a collaboration from the communtiy.

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I was considering doing some for what I was saying, but I wasn't sure it would be any clearer lol...


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But if you can incorporate AT-ST's, then that'll be better as that'll really show off movement, and you won't ahve to show movement in the window. Just have it be silvery if you can.

Yes, more AT-STs! I checked the scene again, and there are 5 AT-AT as in the battle plan I posted, but only 1 AT-ST, while there should be 6 of them. And walkers are more agile so they would add he movement to the scene.

 

The shot of the speeders heading towards the front line has absolutely no rebels firing. You have two good shots of the turrets moving, but NOT firing... maybe you could have them start...

As stated before, it woudln't make sense to have the speeders flying straight at the AT-AT's... but if the Turrets are laying down cover fire... maybe it would work better.

Yep, rebels  should fire with everything they got.

 

If you're adding in a turret for the explosion scene, don't forget outside of Pietts AT-AT there is a shot of the generator that lacks it as well.

That's right!

 

I then wonder, how did the command center get hit? Was it like one of the Star Destroyers bomb it or did an AT-AT fire at it... maybe something earlier during a lot of the explosion shots showing a hint of a large boom in the background. Then imperial troops enter the base. How'd they get there? Perhaps something in the background of a shot alluding to it too.

Yes, I always had a problem with this scene too. They (Vader and troops) enter the Echo base as if they were down on the planet with the attacking AT-ATs.

 

Anyway, this site http://www.theforce.net/SWTC/walkers.html has a lot of material regardig SW walkers. Could be useful.

 

 

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I was considering doing some for what I was saying, but I wasn't sure it would be any clearer lol...

 

 

That would be intresting to see reguardless of how clear it was in the description.

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Some pictures of the creatures from the Dagobah deleted scene from SW3. They not from the DVD and thus lower quality. I have tweaked them a bit to show the small creatures better.

If someone spoted more creatures, that would be even better :)