vaderios said:
ImperialFighter said:
I prefer the 'gloomy', densely-packed treeline/root system that seems to make up Dagobah, as shown in the background of the 'wider, more open' views such as this one and when Luke has just crashed.how about this?
More ESB like ;)
-Angel
Looks great! adds soo much more depth to that shot. Just darken it a little more and it would be perfect!
-Angel
oooh pretty!:D love the light beam.
what sort of hardware do you use angel? im thinking of getting a graphics tablet.
^^ He uses MS paint!!
No, he types in pixel values with Notepad!
Seriously though, Angel, those images look great - I'm tempted to do something along those lines when I get around to ESB. It really turns it from a set into a world.
DE
I'm really digging the Dagobah images Angel. What I like most about your mock-ups is that they really open up the space while still retaining that claustrophobic feel to them, which greatly reduces that on-set feeling. However, I find the light tends to be too bright in most of your images. I think Dagobah should remain dark and murky... like the trees are so high and the clouds so thick that almost no light gets through to the ground. Too much light can really kill that traditional mood going on in these scenes.
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Well, the set look comes from the uniform lighting - granted, you don't want it to look like Wrigley Field at high noon, but the soft, gentle sunbeams streaming through the tree branches as the clouds move overhead... wait a minute, when did Bob Ross hijack my keyboard? Even so, even having the slight presence of light (say moving through the tree branches in the background to give life to some of the background mattes, as well as have light changes over the foreground characters - nothing dramatic, but things like Yoda sitting on the log with the light getting slightly brighter and then darker [no direct beams of light] to account for light changes as it goes through openings in the clouds above). Subtlety being the key.
Regardless, I still think that perspective (the X-wing looks a little too small, or the trees don't recede enough from background to foreground - maybe its that little stretch of horizontal land right below the X-wing that is screwing the persp. up) as well as a specific environment around the X-wing need to be worked on; for example, a path needs to be created behind the X-wing to account for it crashing into the swamp water. If when Luke tries to raise it up, we see a bunch of trees behind the X-wing, that would mean Luke would have crashed into a bunch of trees as opposed to into the swamp.
Angel:
on one last note, I like your previous X-wing lifting shot a little better - the new one probably meshes better with what we saw before, but it still has a set look in how enclosed and specific the line of trees are. The former shot, while the lighting could be toned down, is a LOT more opened up.
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I never liked that Dagobah's background was always changing its look, felt like the mattepaintings where drawn by different people on each scene (Also, it looked very different when there was no background, just the smoke on the set)
But i liked how Dagobah almost always feels like the "sky" is dark and the land is white. Feels like the trees grow from the sky and "grab" the land with their roots. Also it gives that heavy atmosphere.
So i agree Dagobah would need a change on its backgrounds to tie them with each other, but i dont really like Angel's concepts, they look like King Kong jungle. Also, seems like you are running out of trees :) both images have the same trees on the background.
Monroville said:
Regardless, I still think that perspective (the X-wing looks a little too small, or the trees don't recede enough from background to foreground - maybe its that little stretch of horizontal land right below the X-wing that is screwing the persp. up) as well as a specific environment around the X-wing need to be worked on; for example, a path needs to be created behind the X-wing to account for it crashing into the swamp water. If when Luke tries to raise it up, we see a bunch of trees behind the X-wing, that would mean Luke would have crashed into a bunch of trees as opposed to into the swamp.
I totally agree, it would be nice to see some evidence behind the X-Wing of some broken tree trunks, and broken branches scattered in the same trajectory of the X-Wing's flight path as it crash landed into the swamp. And also evidence afterwards when collecting his gear, and in the aftermath during his Jedi training when he attempts to lift the X-Wing out of the swamp.
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it would make a lot more sense. like when the cockpit opens have a branch or two fall, or have debri fall of of R2 or something. the only evidence we really find that the XWing was on the planet was luke pulling snakes and seaweed out of his engines.
It would be cool to see some trees fall and see leaves shaking when Yoda is lifting the ship with the force. The same thing happend in AOTC when Dooku and Yoda were having their force battle. Debris was falling from the ceiling. It would be cool to see the branches shake and some trees fall. It would really add to the scene.
Ghost said:
It would be cool to see some trees fall and see leaves shaking when Yoda is lifting the ship with the force. The same thing happend in AOTC when Dooku and Yoda were having their force battle. Debris was falling from the ceiling. It would be cool to see the branches shake and some trees fall. It would really add to the scene.
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Ghost said:
The same thing happend in AOTC...
That's not a good reason to make a change to ESB.
I disagree, I think that would give an impression that his power was unfocused. Which would be counter to the lesson he was trying to teach.
Also, in AOTC Dooku was tearing things apart - in ESB Yoda simply was lifting the x-wing out of water. Maybe there could be added bubbling and churning to the water but shaking trees doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
As for debris from when Luke crashed INTO the swamp, I'd be all for that.
Ghost said:
It would be cool to see some trees fall and see leaves shaking when Yoda is lifting the ship with the force. The same thing happend in AOTC when Dooku and Yoda were having their force battle. Debris was falling from the ceiling. It would be cool to see the branches shake and some trees fall. It would really add to the scene.
Even if there were no visual modifications, just adding sound effects (ground rumbling; timbers straining, etc) just to emphasize the Force power that surrounds Yoda - even if it is concentrated on the X-wing would be pretty cool.
Though I would have to say "no" to HELLRAISER style energy hands reaching out and picking up the X-wing and putting on shore. >:)
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DE said:
Seriously though, Angel, those images look great - I'm tempted to do something along those lines when I get around to ESB. It really turns it from a set into a world.
DE
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However, I find the light tends to be too bright in most of your images.
The light is optional. Actually i tried to reduce some dead blacks here and there. Who ever can take the concept and fit to their tastes :)
I totally agree, it would be nice to see some evidence behind the X-Wing of some broken tree trunks, and broken branches scattered in the same trajectory of the X-Wing's flight path as it crash landed into the swamp.
thats why i put a simple light ray( you may tone it down as well) that shows a visible path without any other movement or destruction.
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Yes sir!
Angel:
on one last note, I like your previous X-wing lifting shot a little better - the new one probably meshes better with what we saw before, but it still has a set look in how enclosed and specific the line of trees are. The former shot, while the lighting could be toned down, is a LOT more opened up.
Heh.. Stay on ESB design, Stay claustrophobic. I dont know what to do anymore :P Its up to ady to give a final word ( hoping to change his mind :D)
It would be cool to see some trees fall and see leaves shaking when Yoda is lifting the ship with the force. The same thing happend in AOTC when Dooku and Yoda were having their force battle. Debris was falling from the ceiling. It would be cool to see the branches shake and some trees fall. It would really add to the scene.
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-Angel
vaderios, I'm loving the difference your latest 'Dagobah' shot makes too, where the 'matte' background on the current shots are concerned. Changing the 'distant' background part of those shots to ones taken from another 'built' section looks great!
Am I right in thinking you've taken the 'distant built section' from the 'Tiny Yoda beckoning Luke to follow him' shot?
Ghost said:
It would be cool to see some trees fall and see leaves shaking when Yoda is lifting the ship with the force. The same thing happend in AOTC when Dooku and Yoda were having their force battle. Debris was falling from the ceiling. It would be cool to see the branches shake and some trees fall. It would really add to the scene.
And how would all this chaos match the lesson Yoda is trying to teach Luke about the abilities of the force? It would be one thing if it was Luke's attempt that caused the chaos. But Yoda's? No. He can focus his force energy onto that single object and levitate it without doing damage to the surroundings. That's kinda the point. And the music wouldn't match either. And now if you say "just replace it with AOTC music" well then..........no.
shanerjedi said:
And the music wouldn't match either. And now if you say "just replace it with AOTC music" well then..........no.
Nice preemptive strike lol.
TV's Frink said:
shanerjedi said:
And the music wouldn't match either. And now if you say "just replace it with AOTC music" well then..........no.
Nice preemptive strike lol.
Hey, you never know what's going to come up. AOTC should be made to be more like ESB, not the other way around. Episode 2 is a mess.
You know, that kinda reminds me about another thing that the prequels ended up blowing - the 'mysterious' and 'whimsical' first appearance of Yoda to moviegoers at that time.... This is lost for anyone new to the saga now, if they feel they have to watch them in numbered 'order', as Yoda's 'first' appearance is anything but now. And that's even before we mention his actual new 'look' in TPM, as it currently stands!
That's one of the reasons why I kinda wish SW:R hadn't been numbered, and that the scroll had just started after the 'STAR WARS' logo. Personally, I wish for reasons like that, that there were no 'numbers' on any of Adywan's edits, lol.
ImperialFighter said:
You know, that kinda reminds me about another thing that the prequels ended up blowing - the 'mysterious' and 'whimsical' first appearance of Yoda to moviegoers at that time.... This is lost for anyone new to the saga now, if they feel they have to watch them in numbered 'order', as Yoda's 'first' appearance is anything but now. And that's even before we mention his actual new 'look' in TPM, as it currently stands!
That's one of the reasons why I kinda wish SW:R hadn't been numbered, and that the scroll had just started after the 'STAR WARS' logo. Personally, I wish for reasons like that, that there were no 'numbers' on any of Adywan's edits, lol.
Well, we will see the CG prequel Yoda in future releases of TPM so at least they'll match the other PT films if not the look of OT Yoda.
Honestly, I couldve lived without seeing Yoda in the PT at all. Just have his name dropped a couple of times as this great Jedi whose the master of all who lives as a monk and not as a little green frog with a lightsaber.
I mean, the PT wasn't his story. He doesn't make a bit of difference in the end. Even his duel with Palpatine comes to nothing. I was hoping Yoda would be the one to cause Palps disfigurement or inability to mask it to the public anymore(depending on which Palpatine school you adhere to) but no Yoda retreats. He gives up because........? Well, because of NOTHING!
His character is a waste in the entire PT. And they really screwed up his dialogue. Oh boy did they screw that up. He doesn't talk inverted all the time. He does it often but not constantly.
His character and 3PO's were my biggest disappointments for OT characters.
ImperialFighter said:
You know, that kinda reminds me about another thing that the prequels ended up blowing - the 'mysterious' and 'whimsical' first appearance of Yoda to moviegoers at that time.... This is lost for anyone new to the saga now, if they feel they have to watch them in numbered 'order', as Yoda's 'first' appearance is anything but now. And that's even before we mention his actual new 'look' in TPM, as it currently stands!
Off topic I know, but cap suggested watching in the order 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6. Interesting idea which would solve that and some other problems.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Seeing-the-Saga-in-order/post/379705/#TopicPost379705
shanerjedi said:
AOTC should be made to be more like ESB, not the other way around.
Absolutely! That is exactly what it sounds like Ady will do for AOTCR. And I absolutely agree with that particular sentiment.
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Amras Felagund said:
shanerjedi said:
AOTC should be made to be more like ESB, not the other way around.
Absolutely! That is exactly what it sounds like Ady will do for AOTCR. And I absolutely agree with that particular sentiment.
And if we could get our hands on that Lost 20 cut scene, it would help set up some more mystery for Dooku and flesh out his motivation better.
