ImperialFighter said:Darth Venal said:He's not getting rid of the FX shot, just using a non-rotating version of it.
Where did Adywan say he was stopping it rotating?
I don't remember reading this anywhere either.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
I don't care what Ady does. ANH:R just proves he is a master of his craft.
Of course George Lucas was a one trick pony with Star Wars.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:I don't care what Ady does. ANH:R just proves he is a master of his craft.
Of course George Lucas was a one trick pony with Star Wars.
Special Editions be damned, we still wouldn't be able to enjoy Ady's work without the existence of Lucas. I get why people bash him, but I don't see how we can take away ALL the credit.
Besides, I liked THX-1138 and American Graffiti... not as much as the OT, but still.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
oh_riginal said:EyeShotFirst said:I don't care what Ady does. ANH:R just proves he is a master of his craft.
Of course George Lucas was a one trick pony with Star Wars.
Special Editions be damned, we still wouldn't be able to enjoy Ady's work without the existence of Lucas. I get why people bash him, but I don't see how we can take away ALL the credit.
Besides, I liked THX-1138 and American Graffiti... not as much as the OT, but still.
I loved THX-1138 and American Graffiti.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Couldn't agree more, people too often strip Lucas of ANY credit for these movies, which is plainly absurd.
doubleofive said:
I wanted to add to the fleet with my entry in that game. ;-) Fun times.
Lmao. Made my morning.
Bingowings said:If you follow the link above you will see it's all been done before.
And will be done again. ^_^ [/nerd references]
EyeShotFirst said:oh_riginal said:EyeShotFirst said:I don't care what Ady does. ANH:R just proves he is a master of his craft.
Of course George Lucas was a one trick pony with Star Wars.
Special Editions be damned, we still wouldn't be able to enjoy Ady's work without the existence of Lucas. I get why people bash him, but I don't see how we can take away ALL the credit.
Besides, I liked THX-1138 and American Graffiti... not as much as the OT, but still.
I loved THX-1138 and American Graffiti.
Well, it is a trilogy! Sure, Lucas didn't direct ESB, but he still had a heavy hand in making the movie. I'd say ANH and ESB back-to-back doesn't necessarily make him a one-trick pony.
And ROTJ has its moments, as does the PT. I completely understand why people bash the PT, but it DOES have its moments... otherwise why would a lot of us own them or at least know them so well?
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
Oh_riginal:Well, it is a trilogy! Sure, Lucas didn't direct ESB, but he still had a heavy hand in making the movie. I'd say ANH and ESB back-to-back doesn't necessarily make him a one-trick pony.
And ROTJ has its moments, as does the PT. I completely understand why people bash the PT, but it DOES have its moments... otherwise why would a lot of us own them or at least know them so well?
American Graffiti and THX 1138 weren't exactly custard pies in the face of cinema, either. Both fine films (of course, the original version of THX 1138, not the CG 'enhanced' version).
As for the PT, I would venture that hope is why some of us know them so well despite not liking them. After Episodes I and II, I was certain that I wouldn't enjoy Episode III either, but I went along out of hope that it might be, and wanting completion either way. And, personally speaking, I don't know that the PT does have that many 'moments'.
Darth Venal said: I don't know that the PT does have that many 'moments'.
jar jar?
;)
-Angel
Bingowings said:Seeing as everyone else seems to be raking the ashes of this discussion here was my take on the accretion disk :
Wow! Looks a little too CG for me, but very nice.
Anyway, I accept the nebula version as an old publicity still, but a weird use of one, thanks for explaining. :)
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
oh_riginal said:EyeShotFirst said:oh_riginal said:EyeShotFirst said:I don't care what Ady does. ANH:R just proves he is a master of his craft.
Of course George Lucas was a one trick pony with Star Wars.
Special Editions be damned, we still wouldn't be able to enjoy Ady's work without the existence of Lucas. I get why people bash him, but I don't see how we can take away ALL the credit.
Besides, I liked THX-1138 and American Graffiti... not as much as the OT, but still.
I loved THX-1138 and American Graffiti.
Well, it is a trilogy! Sure, Lucas didn't direct ESB, but he still had a heavy hand in making the movie. I'd say ANH and ESB back-to-back doesn't necessarily make him a one-trick pony.
And ROTJ has its moments, as does the PT. I completely understand why people bash the PT, but it DOES have its moments... otherwise why would a lot of us own them or at least know them so well?
If something gets under your skin you become very familiar with it. I will be honest. The Phantom Menace was a good movie to me (jar jar and midichlorians aside) it was worthy of the OT. But ATOC and ROTS just really kicked me in the death stars. I felt as if the films weren't made for the fans anymore. It is like when you find this new un-famous band and you love them for years and then they get a big fat check and an MTV deal and decide to do something completely contrary to what you loved them for. I don't think an artist should go with the mainstream flow, instead an artist should carve their own path and stay on it. I don't mean they can't explore, but they should at least leave some bread crumbs. I would have loved the PT as much as the OT if they helped each other. Instead the PT is some parasite that has attached itself to the Star Wars name. I don't like bashing GL because hell, he is a genius in my eyes. I just think he went with the flow and forgot to leave bread crumbs. It actually seems more like he deliberately didn't leave bread crumbs.
sorry for the usage of the word bread crumb LOL
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Angel Blue01 said:Bingowings said:Seeing as everyone else seems to be raking the ashes of this discussion here was my take on the accretion disk :
Wow! Looks a little too CG for me, but very nice.
Anyway, I accept the nebula version as an old publicity still, but a weird use of one, thanks for explaining. :)
Funny you should say that because it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all, it's got a lot of colour in it which may give it a more PT look.
EyeShotFirst:
If something gets under your skin you become very familiar with it. I will be honest. The Phantom Menace was a good movie to me (jar jar and midichlorians aside) it was worthy of the OT. But ATOC and ROTS just really kicked me in the death stars. I felt as if the films weren't made for the fans anymore. It is like when you find this new un-famous band and you love them for years and then they get a big fat check and an MTV deal and decide to do something completely contrary to what you loved them for. I don't think an artist should go with the mainstream flow, instead an artist should carve their own path and stay on it. I don't mean they can't explore, but they should at least leave some bread crumbs. I would have loved the PT as much as the OT if they helped each other. Instead the PT is some parasite that has attached itself to the Star Wars name. I don't like bashing GL because hell, he is a genius in my eyes. I just think he went with the flow and forgot to leave bread crumbs. It actually seems more like he deliberately didn't leave bread crumbs.
sorry for the usage of the word bread crumb LOL
What in God's name are you talking about?
Bingowings:
it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all
That doesn't necessarily make sense.
:-)
FWIW I love the prequels. I have absolutely no interest in any huge fanedit of the PT, but I don't mind that they're being made, I'm curious about Adywan's versions as many years away as they may be, only because they're (going to be) his work.
And I hated THX-1138!
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
Can you elaborate on what you loved about the prequels, and what you hated about THX 1138?
Bingowings said:Funny you should say that because it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all, it's got a lot of colour in it which may give it a more PT look.
I see, oops. I've never liked NASA's artists, their work looks pretty CG, for paintings. :P
When I think accretion disk I think of something with jets, like this:
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
Darth Venal said:Bingowings:
it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all
That doesn't necessarily make sense.
:-)
What doesn't make sense? The background is a physical painting commissioned by NASA to illustrate what an accretion disk might look like which I put into the space to replace the original spiral and not CGI.
As I said the colours may give it the impression of being CGI because early CG depictions of space (like B5) were very colourful.
Here's another artist's acretion disk FWIW:
And lastly, a real planetary nebula:
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
Logicaly, the walls we see in the far shot are orange brown color. but in the close up they are white/lighter color.
What can be done to this shot anyway?
No idea if answered before
-Angel
Another problem with all this discussion about what the phenomena at the end of Empire is, is that we're evaluating it based on astronomical photography, which isn't really that reliable as it is rarely standard optical photography. However, that is the common conception of what interstellar phenomena look like, and perhaps the wisest choice artistically.
One of the physicists talking about it over on theforce.net says it can't be a galaxy because galaxies don't really look like that to the naked eye, which is what we're seeing in that scene. But he completely overlooks the fact that 99.9% of people sitting in a movie theatre won't have any idea that a spiral galaxy is substantially dimmer and actually pretty hard to see with the naked eye. Most of us think they're bright white (sometimes yellowish) with spiral arms around a bright bulbous centre, but that's not true.
Not that any of this matters a jot, as long as the image looks good on screen while not negatively impacting on the narrative.
This series of illustrations has a spiral quite like the original element but with the polar jets, maybe just adding that would make the spiral more stellar and less Galactic.
Bingowings:
Darth Venal said:Bingowings:
it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all
That doesn't necessarily make sense.
:-)
What doesn't make sense? The background is a physical painting commissioned by NASA to illustrate what an accretion disk might look like which I put into the space to replace the original spiral and not CGI.
As I said the colours may give it the impression of being CGI because early CG depictions of space (like B5) were very colourful.
I meant saying it's a painting and not CGI could be contradictory, as so much 'painting' nowadays is done on a computer. Painting isn't an exclusive term for canvas, a brush and paints is what I meant.
I think we should keep the Empire phenomena to something that would be visible with the naked eye, or less just accept it's something we don't know about and leave it as is. Virtually all the 'photos' of accretion disks and jets etc are invisible to the naked eye and are rendered through other wavelength captures, so wouldn't be visible out of a medical frigate window.
I'm ancient enough to still use the term exclusively for the act of moving paint across a surface (actually it's a bit more complicated than that because technically even that is drawing but I think you know what I mean).
