I can't be sure from that small mock-up, but you seem to have mistaken the stars within the galaxy source image as being part of that galaxy, which they're not. You'd need to remove them or make the rest of the starfield match.
But it looks very nice indeed.
Darth Venal said:I can't be sure from that small mock-up, but you seem to have mistaken the stars within the galaxy source image as being part of that galaxy, which they're not. You'd need to remove them or make the rest of the starfield match.
But it looks very nice indeed.
right click and view image. i rescale it for reading issues.
its from multiple images to make a unique galaxy as well. I assume that out of each galaxy there are still starfields. right?
-Angel
I looked, it is very nice. But no, you would never be able to see a single star from that galaxy. All those stars that you can see in the image of the galaxy are from our galaxy, as is the case for any galaxy image you will find.
Put it this way, if you have an image of a galaxy that is about 1000 pixels across, a star the size of our Sun would occupy about 1/587,000,000 of a pixel. I'd hate to see the size of a jpeg that could show that! ;-)
EDIT: I just tried working that out, and at 600 dpi, an image showing the sun at just one pixel wide would be just over 25,000 km wide. Fucking hell.
That's almost as scary as how long it would take to get to the next star under our current propulsion maximums (approx. 115,000 years).
Between galaxies there are vast stretches of black emptiness*. But even from our planet, which is nestled within the Milky Way, we can see other galaxies, the visible ones appearing as smudges to the unaided eye. So for this scene, there could be a 'starfield' beyond the galaxy in the forefront, but each 'star' would actually be a galaxy.
*ignoring quantum fluctuations.
All this is moot because Adywan has said he will be keeping the galaxy as is. That said, I prefer Angel's mock-up. I always thought the original looked weird, even when I first saw it.
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.
-Carl Sagan
This is an ESB discussion that can continue on the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread :
There were posts about it over there too :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/352903/#post352903
Enigmas said:Between galaxies there are vast stretches of black emptiness*. But even from our planet, which is nestled within the Milky Way, we can see other galaxies, the visible ones appearing as smudges to the unaided eye. So for this scene, there could be a 'starfield' beyond the galaxy in the forefront, but each 'star' would actually be a galaxy.
*ignoring quantum fluctuations.
All this is moot because Adywan has said he will be keeping the galaxy as is. That said, I prefer Angel's mock-up. I always thought the original looked weird, even when I first saw it.
As it did for me, it doesn't look very good or make very much sense, and I love your mockup Angel. But I don't mind that the shot is staying the same. Its not a big deal.
But what about that nebula version, where did that come from? Has anyone else seen it? It bothers me far more than changes/lack of changes to the scene in Adywan's edit. :p
EDIT: Sorry Bingowings! I've only started going over the entirety of that thread, and this one.
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
It was possibly the case that it was a bit of publicity material which came out before the effects were finalised.
There are a lot of photo montages which aren't actual film stills which are quite famous because they were the first glimpse of what the film was going to be like :
For example most of us know this image but it's not a film still (thank Zod) :
Angel Blue01 said:Enigmas said:Between galaxies there are vast stretches of black emptiness*. But even from our planet, which is nestled within the Milky Way, we can see other galaxies, the visible ones appearing as smudges to the unaided eye. So for this scene, there could be a 'starfield' beyond the galaxy in the forefront, but each 'star' would actually be a galaxy.
*ignoring quantum fluctuations.
All this is moot because Adywan has said he will be keeping the galaxy as is. That said, I prefer Angel's mock-up. I always thought the original looked weird, even when I first saw it.
As it did for me, it doesn't look very good or make very much sense, and I love your mockup Angel. But I don't mind that the shot is staying the same. Its not a big deal.
But what about that nebula version, where did that come from? Has anyone else seen it? It bothers me far more than changes/lack of changes to the scene in Adywan's edit. :p
EDIT: Sorry Bingowings! I've only started going over the entirety of that thread, and this one.
I'm still (as far as I know, the only one) that still chooses to believe that it is a forming star, rather than a galaxy.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
Nope I made a mock-up of an accretion disc over on the wishlist thread if you follow the forementioned link.
Bingowings said:Nope I made a mock-up of an accretion disc over on the wishlist thread if you follow the forementioned link.
I mean not many people went along with that idea. It seems to be popular belief that it is a galaxy, not a star.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
I prefer the idea that its a forming star rather than a galaxy
adywan said:I prefer the idea that its a forming star rather than a galaxy
It'd have to be, or something like it. The thing rotates onscreen, no galaxy can rotate that fast, as physicist Curtis Saxton points out. Can you take out the rotation at least? :p
"Star Wars is supposed to be happy-go-lucky-let's-go-blow-up-a-Star-Destroyer [not like the New Jedi Order]"- Brendon C.
"Canon... includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations." -Star Wars Insider issue 23
Oh! I much prefer the forming star interpretation. At the end the tragedy that is ESB, when it seems the universe has turned on our heroes, we are gifted with witnessing the birth of a star system; a foreshadowing of hope as the fleet drifts past, inexorably carrying our protagonists toward their dark and uncertain future...
Roll credits.
That's a nice image.
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.
-Carl Sagan
Enigmas said:Oh! I much prefer the forming star interpretation. At the end the tragedy that is ESB, when it seems the universe has turned on our heroes, we are gifted with witnessing the birth of a star system; a foreshadowing of hope as the fleet drifts past, inexorably carrying our protagonists toward their dark and uncertain future...
Roll credits.
That's a nice image.
Great interpretation. Couldn't have said it better.
Also, I don't see why the image needs updating. It doesn't look too bad at all the way it is, especially in motion.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
Angel Blue01 said:adywan said:I prefer the idea that its a forming star rather than a galaxy
It'd have to be, or something like it. The thing rotates onscreen, no galaxy can rotate that fast, as physicist Curtis Saxton points out. Can you take out the rotation at least? :p
If Ady prefers the star model why would he need to remove the rotation?
I cant see the image anyway. Im glad ady will get rid the old FX shot :D
-Angel
He's not getting rid of the FX shot, just using a non-rotating version of it.
hmm ok
It may be a bit tricky to be like a plate behind the actors without a something movement.
Ady's call, im fine
-Angel
Darth Venal said:He's not getting rid of the FX shot, just using a non-rotating version of it.
Where did Adywan say he was stopping it rotating?
I wouldn't bother changing it at all, I think it looks perfectly fine. Maybe he's just of the mind that whether it's a galaxy or a forming star, we wouldn't see it rotating either way. But it is rather strange to see a star forming alone in space without some form of molecular cloud around it. Whether you subscribe to accretion models or otherwise, there needs to be some sort of material being drawn upon, far more massive than the accretion disk this star seems to have. Maybe it is just a galaxy?
Meh.
:-)
Seeing as everyone else seems to be raking the ashes of this discussion here was my take on the accretion disk :
Ah yes. The blue screen game :P
I have to say if this plate is going to be replaced im hoping for something less centered. Even its the same galaxy pic.
-Angel
I wanted to add to the fleet with my entry in that game. ;-) Fun times.
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