Uh, that's not what I said, and I can't say I fully agree with your positioning. Anyway, it's a minor point; I can't say I ever really cared that the backlit clouds didn't indicate the same source light as we then see the sun to be in. I think the sequence is generally very beautiful, so I can happily leave the protractor in my pencil case.
Well, on a positive note, I see this thread has reached 500 pages. Woohoo!
Darth Venal said:Well, on a positive note, I see this thread has reached 500 pages. Woohoo!
It's all because the Force is clearly strong with TESB :)
Anyway Vaderois' colour correction pics look stunning. I was wondering whether he can do something with that window behind Vader, when Han shoots at him.
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That's the window that just looks like a round fish tank, right?
I think we should turn it into a fish tank!
Darth Venal said:That's the window that just looks like a round fish tank, right?
I think we should turn it into a fish tank!
Hahaha, yeah, that's the one. It always bugged me for some reason. Maybe we can do that for laughs :D
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adywan said:Darth Venal said:That looks very nice indeed. I like the clolour correction, or rather alteration in this case, and the blue laser works great against your new sky.
As for the position of the sun, the Falcon is pretty much heading in the same direction, save the odd artistic flourish to send it through a nearby cloud etc. I still disagree with Adywan's argument that the sun is in the same position except in the two shots where it is behind Cloud City. The backlit clouds are inconsistent, and really, backlighting for me doesn't take precedence over the shots where the sun is actually visible.
As for the SE shots of the Falcon flying through the city, who's to say which side of the city Platform 327 is on? This thing is circular, so there is no proof of which side the sun should be in those shots.
well its pretty logical that the falcon wouldn't fly towards the city, then when it reaches the buildings does a 360o turn so that the sun is in the position it shows in the approach shot, then does another 90o turn as it reaches the platform. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe not a full circle, but it seems clear that they're at least moving in a somewhat circular course guided by the cloud cars until they get landing clearance and are told where the platform is, so if the sun is shifting positions thru the sequence, so be it.
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
That's where I'm coming from, too. I don't care that the clouds on approach appear backlit, that is purely for the photographic effect. And anyway, that backlighting is also inconsistent so it doesn't provide a solid base for objecting to the proceeding shot of the sun being behind the city. And if they fly around some of the city to reach Platform 327 then it's completely feasible, even likely, that their bearing to the sun will change.
As for the fish tank, I'm all for it. I might add Dorie from Finding Nemo swimming by.
Darth Venal said:That's the window that just looks like a round fish tank, right?
I think we should turn it into a fish tank!
Hahaha, well here's the fishtank. Forgive me for the crudity of it since I only did it in like 5 minutes -
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the problem with the sun is not when the falcon travels but when in two or 3 shots it changes position without meaning.
And for the sake of motion and how the eye travels through movie, it can create problems.
-Angel
I think the fish tank works better than the window. :-)
And why every wall has to be an external wall, I don't know.
Darth Venal, as i have said before please go and watch the whole sequence and you will see what i mean. you keep saying about the only two shots we see the sun are behind the city but thats not correct. The sun first appears behind the pod car that is at the side of the falcon in the shot directly before the first sight of the city where the sun has magically changed positions. The sun, although its moves slightly, is behind or to the side of the falcon as it approaches.only 2 shots out of the whole sequence indicates that the sun is behind the city, so the easiest fix is to remove the sun from these 2 shots.
Maybe I need to watch it in better (ie German HD) quality and I'll see what you mean. Must get my hands on those somehow :-)
Hehe, I just had a thought... Bespin is a binary system!
After all, more than 50% of the star systems in our galaxy, and by reasonable extension all galaxies, are binary, and a significant number are tertiary or even higher. Yay, that's my solution ;-)
Darth Venal said:Maybe I need to watch it in better (ie German HD) quality and I'll see what you mean. Must get my hands on those somehow :-)
Hehe, I just had a thought... Bespin is a binary system!
i mentioned twin suns as a solution a while ago.
you don't need a better quality version to see what i mean about the sun appearing behind the pod car and it magically changing positions in the next shot. its even clear with the GOUT. lol
I think its turned into the "great sun debate"
Oh "The great flipper debate"..... i remember it well
The great Flipper debate?
Enlighten me!
And please, where can I get HD copies? Pretty please, with sugar on top.
crap! keep the binary system for tatooine only please. It feels more unique :)
Also i remember that ady said he will do the open window shot to fix the continuity errors.
@ Darth Venal:
HD copies maybe around the net. :)
you have a PM
-Angel
Here's what i mean....
Nice job with the fish tank, Chronus! :)
vaderios said:
-Angel
Very nice, but the oval mirror thingie above the window still shows the reflection of the original window pre SE elements.
It's hard to really tell what that oval thingie is. Love the window, though.
I just hope all this Bespin stuff doesn't lose the aesthetic that made it so beautiful in the first place. It's already looking less McQuarrie than I'd prefer personally.
You can tell it's a mirror by watching the NON SE.
Darth Venal said:The great Flipper debate?
Enlighten me!
The "Great Flipper Debate" was an argument (that I, sadly, missed out on being a part of) during the production of ANH:R about whether the severed arm in the cantina should be a flipper (since the alien's hand, as seen earlier in the scene, was a "flipper") or a human hand (since Dr. Evazan was the one holding the gun, not the alien) - either way, the original element of the fuzzy hand had to go since there was no one in the scene with a hand like that.
The DVD-5 of Revisited has a flipper, but the DVD-9 has a human hand (which is, actually, Adywan's own hand).
That's about all I know - I wasn't part of the actual debate, as I said, but I think I got the gist of the argument.
No Dolphins?
Darth Venal said:No Dolphins?
vaderios said:Also i remember that ady said he will do the open window shot to fix the continuity errors.
Good to see you back with your fine mock-ups again vaderios. While I've been wowed by most, although don't agree with some, ALL have been of great interest and quality.
Concerning this particular scene that was mentioned a while back, I thought Adywan would have been more likely to revert to the original pre-SE backdrop (as seen on the left shot above) for all of this backdrop's appearances again, considering that it was only one shot where the scenes involving this backdrop had the 'buildings / elevator' shown. There are quite a few other shots during the overall scene where this backdrop would need to be altered to match that SE shot, some of which look pretty tricky. But if he IS choosing to match the SE look in the rest of them, then great, but it will be good just to get consistency in the backdrop again even if he reverts to the pre-SE version.
Adywan, perhaps you could say what your personal take is on a certain point? - Do you reckon that the initial approach by the Falcon towards Bespin City is set at 'sunset' or 'sunrise'?
Darth Venal originally mentioned the word 'sunset' a little while past, whereas vaderios then mentioned he thought that scene was set in the morning, so therefore 'sunrise'.
I myself always looked on it as being at 'sunset' (or 'sunsets' as it looks like!), with Luke arriving there later the next day after leaving from Dagobah (which could have been a good distance away from where Han decided to travel to 'safety'), arriving not long after the time we have jumped to 'daylight' scenes of Han mentioning to Leia that the Falcon's repairs are nearly done, and she is agitating about C3PO being still missing, after they have been put up for the previous night by Lando.
However, it that was the case, it could be argued that Vader 'took his time' in having them brought to him, considering Lando says that Vader arrived just before our heroes did.... I have no problem with that though.
Just curious if you (and others too) look on things the same way as I do, where the Falcon arrives at 'sunset' and eventually escapes the following 'sunset', or if you look on the events of the Falcon's arrival and eventual escape as being on the same day, arriving at 'sunrise' and eventually escaping away at 'sunset'.
Also, I wouldn't be against the 'binary' suns solution, as I always loved that 'other' sun shot as we first see the City come into view.... from a 'beauty shot' perspective. Either way, I know your final version will look wonderful.
By the way vaderios, while I loved the blue for the ION cannon, I hope the 'Cloud Car' lasers remain their existing overall colour. Always liked those as they are I gotta say.
I will always think that it took the Falcon on the order of months to reach Bespin, given it is unable to travel faster than light and Han's line "it's pretty far but I think we can make it", and also given that Luke must have spent at least that much time training with Yoda. The only issue is the lack of progression of Han and Leia's romance, but we can assume that that took place offscreen.