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*grabs popcorn and a chair as a I watch Anakin and Obi-Wan spin their lightsaber blades*
STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 497
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just watched this and had to share it, it is star wars related
although you will only really appreciate it if you are a fan of "snatch" (the film not the body part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDKiQfBs9lo
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Hey ady, we're selling a few models at my work for somewhere between 10 and 20 dollars canadian. The only one I can remember at the moment is the Millenium Falcon.
Star Wars Renascent
Inspired by the Godfather Part II and a revamp of Star Wars: Reborn
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Ithilgore said:Akwat Kbrana said:Darth Venal said:He may do that, he did it with the Ben/Vader fight in Star Wars. There's nothing wrong with the duels as such, just that the prequels had much better choreography and they make them look a little pedestrian.
I disagree. Aside from a few shots in Duel of the Fates, the PT lightsabre duels look contrived, rehearsed, and choreographed. Of course, that's because the duels in all of the Star Wars movies are in fact contrived, rehearsed, and choreographed, but the OT duels (aside from ANH, of course) don't look that way. In Luke's duels with Vader, it really looks like they're each trying to skewer one another. In the PT duels, it just looks like each contender is trying to swing his sabre around fancily and make contact with the other's blade.
Sure, the PT battles look pretty. So do acrobat routines, parades, and rock concert choreography, but there's no real danger to be found. I prefer my lightsabre duels to be a little more realistic and spontaneous, myself. The PT duels are many things to many people, but they certainly aren't spontaneous, or believable.
To sum it up.
Oh yeah. I agree 100%
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I did actually already reply to that post:
[I] should have been a little more articulate and said the prequels had much more complex choreography, rather than better. Lazy of me. And I absolutely agree, they really do look contrived, rehearsed and choreographed. Some work better than others, but it definitely feels like a dance rather than a duel.
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Zak said:Ithilgore said:Akwat Kbrana said:Darth Venal said:He may do that, he did it with the Ben/Vader fight in Star Wars. There's nothing wrong with the duels as such, just that the prequels had much better choreography and they make them look a little pedestrian.
I disagree. Aside from a few shots in Duel of the Fates, the PT lightsabre duels look contrived, rehearsed, and choreographed. Of course, that's because the duels in all of the Star Wars movies are in fact contrived, rehearsed, and choreographed, but the OT duels (aside from ANH, of course) don't look that way. In Luke's duels with Vader, it really looks like they're each trying to skewer one another. In the PT duels, it just looks like each contender is trying to swing his sabre around fancily and make contact with the other's blade.
Sure, the PT battles look pretty. So do acrobat routines, parades, and rock concert choreography, but there's no real danger to be found. I prefer my lightsabre duels to be a little more realistic and spontaneous, myself. The PT duels are many things to many people, but they certainly aren't spontaneous, or believable.
To sum it up.
Oh yeah. I agree 100%
This statement can be applied to any number of martial arts movies. It doesn't mean people (myself included) do not enjoy them still.
The image above does oversell the choreography a bit, but I see no problem with the rest of the PT duels, other than maybe how the ROTS duel was edited (in that damn Michael Bay hold-a-shot-for-3-seconds-then-cut style).
The duel that bothers me most out of all the films (even more than the original Obi Wan/Vader duel on the Death Star) is the ending of the Luke/Vader fight from ROTJ. I hate how Luke is wildly swinging, as if he never picked up a lightsaber before in his life, and decided to up and start a new hobby, and happened to catch Vader off-guard one day and defeated him. Seriously, at least Luke looked like he knew a little bit about dueling in ESB... in ROTJ he looks like he forgot how to duel toward the end. And I don't think being angry would make him forget how to duel properly, so I've never bought the whole "he was mad at the time" argument.
At least the ESB duel looks nice. Though you can't say there are not times when even the OT duels looks choreographed. Anytime a character in a movie spins during a fight, it always looks choreographed... I can't see how anyone would think that Luke's spin in ESB near the beginning of the duel looks NATURAL! And of course there's the ridiculously SLOW spin by Obi Wan in ANH.
I guess what I'm saying is: the OT duels aren't perfect either, just slower and less choreographed. It's apples and oranges on the flaws of the OT and PT duels.
Still, ESB has the best duel, in my opinion. For the sake of bringing this back on topic, I have no real suggestions for changing the duel in ESB:R other than new rotoscopes for the lightsabers, and adding burn marks to any surfaces that the lightsabers hit. The glow on the face of Luke from Vader's saber was already added, so now I don't have to beg for it!
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
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I can't say I feel anything in the duel in Empire needs altering, other than minor cosmetic tinkerings. The actual duel itself works just fine.
I also never liked the angry slashing Luke does in Jedi. It's not that I don't like him being angry - after all that's exactly what he's supposed to be - I just think Mark Hamill looks rather unconvincing the way he handles the sabre. In the same way that someone who doesn't smoke might act how they think it looks cool. You can do the moves, but not the style, something like that. Luke could have chopped Vader's arm off with anger AND style, but Mark Hamill doesn't pull it off. (And as much as I think he's a very limited actor, I don't blame him particularly, as Jedi was very poorly directed where virtuall all the actors are concerned).
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How I wish Ady could play with this beauty:
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Yum!
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DV, you remember the Alien Queen puppet they put up in the restaurant a while ago? That was awesome, and what else was there?
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Yeah, I remember that beauty. But how could you forget the Boba Fett costume and the stormtroopers? I wouldn't have minded putting those into the boot of my car!
Good to see you back on here, by the way. I'm heading off site soon, catch you in the week?
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Yeah I'm back on site permanently now I'm done at Leavesden, as I see you are. Awesome. And guess who's got access to the broadcast library..? :-)
Don't worry, I'm onto it.
Back on topic, I was wondering if anything can be done with the remaining original Wampa shots? As much as the SE shots are a bit distracting, they certainly look more realistic. I'd love to see that first Wampa jump into shot improved if it were possible.
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Not to be rude, but this isn't a personal chatroom. Please stay on topic.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
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Adywan is building an all-new Wampa puppet for those shots.
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Well, we mentioned Boba Fett, he's in Empire. And Ghost did put it back on topic after our endless off-topic posts. Which reminds me, I'd also love to see the Wampa made more consistent. That first shot we see just doesn't look like a big creature, it looks like a little puppet. As much as I don't really like the inserted shots (as they don't match up very well) the creature itself does look good.
I don't know how that first shot can really be replaced though, it's hard to manipulate any other footage to replace it I think. I might have a look...
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RoccondilRinon said:Adywan is building an all-new Wampa puppet for those shots.
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Excited for this new book on the making ESB. And I hope Ady has ESB:R done by May 2010
http://www.starwars.com/vault/books/news20090810.html
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sorry double post
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Sevb32 said:
Excited for this new book on the making ESB. And I hope Ady has ESB:R done by May 2010
http://www.starwars.com/vault/books/news20090810.html
That looks awesome :)
I'm definitely gonna buy that - oh and I also hope Ady's edit is out by then :D
Father, Husband, Nerd (of Batman and Star Wars mainly)
Tayyab
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Sevb32 said:Excited for this new book on the making ESB.
Yummy. I want one.
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I didn't see this specific shot mentioned on page 1 or any of the hundred or so pages I read through so here's my $.02: Apparently, this shot got flipped in favor of screen direction, and maybe most viewers miss the gaffe because Luke's upside-down, but it has always bugged me.
Either paint in the left hand (and erase the right, like Ady did for Vader's gesture in ANH) for the 6 or 7 frames it should be there or flip the image..
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good spot, can't say I ever noticed that. shouldn't be hard to fix.
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Lol. All I see is a red/gray blur. :P
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Good call rsortor (see there are still few left to identify).
It would be better to keep the direction but flip the element back (it's not just the hands, all the scars and stains on his clothes would have been flipped too making it a continuity nightmare)
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Ady, are you planning on any sexy Bespin sunset mattes? I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see something like this... Not to put pressure on you, but you know we're relying on you :-)
