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GoodMusician said:

Adyan, I think that the Lightsaber activation sound he's speaking of is when Luke exits the Wampa cave.

If you listen carefully, the sound effects there are not quite right.


Absolutely. I can't remember who here, or where else this has been flagged up previously, but if you haven't already decided on this Ady, I hope you can give us a 'deactivation' to tie-in with the sound effect at this point at the end of the 'Wampa cave' scene, just before we then cut to the shot of Luke scrambling out in the snow with his Lightsaber attached to his waist....

Which reminds me - I've just realised that the 'Lightsaber in mid-deactivation' that I hope you choose to ADD to the shot of Luke going backwards through the 'window'....could be somewhat very similar to the speed and effect of Luke's Lightsaber as it tumbles and 'de-activates' during the shot where Vader cuts Luke's hand off. Only without the hand of course!

And during the 'birds-eye' shot of Luke hanging on the gantry (which you recently put a shot of on here)....along with a couple of overhead shots where Luke backs away from Vader after his hand is cut off....the yellow 'flashing' gantry lights seen in them are now 'reddish' compared to the 'yellow' of the other shots featuring them. Could you 'yellow' these particular shots up a bit to match?



*** Darth Stewie - Nice heartfelt post there fella. I've been thinking about this whole detail-orientated thing, and the fact that not all ideas from everyone here can possibly be accommodated by poor Adywan. Along with his own particular issues for changes he'd like to do, Ady has invited folks here to come up with ideas for 'fixes' and 'suggestions' towards his edits also, and by the very fact of us doing so, anyone reading this thread will come across things that they never noticed before, or never thought about before, where these movies are concerned. Unfortunately for some, it may 'niggle' them a little if certain things mentioned here are not 'attended to', now that they have been brought to their attention on this thread, as they will now NOTICE them, lol. Even Adywan cannot 'sort' or 'add' everything that is eventually posted on here for him to do on these movies, and he will disagree with a few things suggested anyway. Personally, although I have now read things that have been pointed out, that may not be 'fixed' for some reason or other, I know that Ady will be doing more than enough to make this the best 'Special Edition' of 'Empire' out there in the future, and that personally speaking, it is worth it to me to unavoidably read some of these things that will REMAIN un-amended, and not worry in any way about them once the edit eventually comes out, so that I can put forward a few of my own, in the hope that some may be actually done. The alternative is to NOT read this thread and just wait for the finished edit, and remain blissfully unaware of what hasn't been worked on. Finally, as it is impossible to second-guess Adywan's own particular choices for the work he prefers to do or not, and the fact that he will want to keep some secret SURPRISES for us of everything he's attempting until the first release, along with the fact that he has in the past attended to things that others haven't thought of, or worried too much about, while leaving other ideas alone that may have seemed more obvious to some, then I reckon EVERY idea put forward here by anyone is fair game at this point, no matter how trivial or 'out there' it may seem, and I'm sure Ady welcomes them all. So hang on to your hats, there's a few more surprises left in this baby to flag up!.... ***



More to contemplate then - The whole SE DVD release colouration changes from the 'rich-looking' (albiet shoddily presented so far) colours of the GOUT release are generally poorer, but the 'Asteroid' sequence is particularly so.

During the 'close-up' of the Millennium Falcon's 'swerve' manouvers amongst the asteroids (always one of my favourites), the rocks are ALL especially 'greyed-out' compared to the light brown tones of the ones seen in the shots before and after this one. Is it possible to add some light brown to SOME of these during the 'swerve' shot, to add a little colour to the shot overall, to tie-in better with the others?

I really like the idea that someone here suggested, for one of your 'judders' (as seen during your Falcon 'cockpit' interior heading towards the Death Star in SW Revisited) during the shot of the crew falling near the windows in the 'Stardestroyers taking evasive action' shot. That could be neat. Would one on the shot from inside the 'cockpit' of the Millennium Falcon 'taking off, and turning around slightly' as it starts to blast out of the belly of the asteroid slug, also be possible? I never really liked the 'outside movement' that is shown presently, and this would tie-in quite well with the previous shots of the crew 'falling about' due to the asteroid slug's activity due to Han's laserblasts.


Still hoping that some kind soul out there is able to PM me about posting certain SE DVD screenshots on my behalf, to better describe certain things I'd still like to suggest in detail here. I need to be able to give PAL 'timings' for these though.
One major sequence is the whole 'Hoth surrounded by stardestroyers' thing....

Fingers crossed. :)





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I was just reading the Wikipedia entry on the "List of changes in Star Wars re-releases" and I found a couple things that might be cool.

Deleted Scenes said:

In the carbon-freezing sequence, C-3PO's complete line would have been "I'm not ready to die on the back of a demented wookiee!" (the italicized words were deleted from all versions of the film, but were heard in their entirety on the Story of The Empire Strikes Back LP).


That'd be interesting to hear, and maybe squeeze in if its not too distracting.

Changes to 2004 DVD said:

When Luke confronts Vader in the carbon-freezing chamber and ignites his lightsaber, the sound from the original release is overlapped in this scene by the sound produced by Luke's new lightsaber in Return of the Jedi.


Since you're redoing most of the sound, I'm sure you'll fix this.

Film Changes said:


# After the Probe droid lands and moves left, there is an optical wipe to the overhead shot of Luke on his Tauntaun.
# After Luke wanders through the snow and falls face down, there is an optical wipe to Han instead of a straight cut.


Have you tried restoring/adding these wipes? I was pretty confused at the phrasing of the 70mm vs 35mm in the article. But I think a wipe might be useful in the first scene especially, to show that we're actually traveling back in time to before the probe landed.


Also, the article mentions ANHR, which is pretty cool.

EDIT: And though the article doesn't mention it due to gross clerical error, there is an errant slowflake on Chewbacca's foot. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here yet.

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ImperialFighter said:

I've been thinking about this whole detail-orientated thing, and the fact that not all ideas from everyone here can possibly be accommodated by poor Adywan. Along with his own particular issues for changes he'd like to do, Ady has invited folks here to come up with ideas for 'fixes' and 'suggestions' towards his edits also, and by the very fact of us doing so, anyone reading this thread will come across things that they never noticed before, or never thought about before, where these movies are concerned. Unfortunately for some, it may 'niggle' them a little if certain things mentioned here are not 'attended to', now that they have been brought to their attention on this thread, as they will now NOTICE them, lol. Even Adywan cannot 'sort' or 'add' everything that is eventually posted on here for him to do on these movies, and he will disagree with a few things suggested anyway.




I don't claim to speak for Ady, but logically the reason he's asking for everyone's input is to have all those extra sets of eyes looking for things he might have missed or that we've all just grown accustomed to seeing that way over the years. Just like your mind tends to put in things that aren't there - a classic example is horror films from the 60's and early 70's where people claim to have seen more gore than was actually in the film - your mind also tends to block out the minor editing and FX mistakes that most films have. By having all those eyes looking things over, someone will notice something that someone else didn't.

We're helping him come up with a list of problems. He'll decide what's worth the trouble to fix.

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Darth Stewie - Nice heartfelt post there fella. I've been thinking about this whole detail-orientated thing, and the fact that not all ideas from everyone here can possibly be accommodated by poor Adywan. Along with his own particular issues for changes he'd like to do, Ady has invited folks here to come up with ideas for 'fixes' and 'suggestions' towards his edits also, and by the very fact of us doing so, anyone reading this thread will come across things that they never noticed before, or never thought about before, where these movies are concerned. Unfortunately for some, it may 'niggle' them a little if certain things mentioned here are not 'attended to', now that they have been brought to their attention on this thread, as they will now NOTICE them, lol. Even Adywan cannot 'sort' or 'add' everything that is eventually posted on here for him to do on these movies, and he will disagree with a few things suggested anyway. Personally, although I have now read things that have been pointed out, that may not be 'fixed' for some reason or other, I know that Ady will be doing more than enough to make this the best 'Special Edition' of 'Empire' out there in the future, and that personally speaking, it is worth it to me to unavoidably read some of these things that will REMAIN un-amended, and not worry in any way about them once the edit eventually comes out, so that I can put forward a few of my own, in the hope that some may be actually done. The alternative is to NOT read this thread and just wait for the finished edit, and remain blissfully unaware of what hasn't been worked on. Finally, as it is impossible to second-guess Adywan's own particular choices for the work he prefers to do or not, and the fact that he will want to keep some secret SURPRISES for us of everything he's attempting until the first release, along with the fact that he has in the past attended to things that others haven't thought of, or worried too much about, while leaving other ideas alone that may have seemed more obvious to some, then I reckon EVERY idea put forward here by anyone is fair game at this point, no matter how trivial or 'out there' it may seem, and I'm sure Ady welcomes them all. So hang on to your hats, there's a few more surprises left in this baby to flag up!....


Ziz - I had hoped that wording as a whole would come across about how I personally realise myself, that most suggestions I put forward are unlikely to be accomodated, as at this point it's noticable about how 'detail-focused' I can't help being sometimes. It was just my way of saying that I hope that even the littlest of points I am sometimes bringing up, along with others, will be considered, as it's some of Adywan's more trivial, 'subtler' touches on his first edit that made it so good to me. I'm just enthusiastic about this project, as you and everyone else are, and hope that Ady will consider as many things as possible, no matter how trivial, in the course of his efforts.

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IF - nothing personal, I just used your post because it was the most current one when I was typing.

We're all just trying to come up with a checklist for him of what we feel needs to get done and some suggestions of how. Bottom line, as both of us said, is that Ady has the final call on what gets fixed and how, since he's doing the work. Everyone needs to remember that and not take it personally if Ady says goes thru the list and says "No, not fixing that" or "Gonna do it this way instead." He, like the rest of us, wants it to be the best it can be, but there's always a point of diminishing returns WRT effort vs. results.

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doubleofive said:

EDIT: And though the article doesn't mention it due to gross clerical error, there is an errant slowflake on Chewbacca's foot. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here yet.

I don't know if you've heard, but there is a similar problem in Star Wars, but involving sand. We're all hoping Adywan does one more edition of ANHR that fixes this problem.

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Ziz said:

We're all just trying to come up with a checklist for him of what we feel needs to get done and some suggestions of how. Bottom line, as both of us said, is that Ady has the final call on what gets fixed and how, since he's doing the work. Everyone needs to remember that and not take it personally if Ady says goes thru the list and says "No, not fixing that" or "Gonna do it this way instead." He, like the rest of us, wants it to be the best it can be, but there's always a point of diminishing returns WRT effort vs. results.

We also need to remember that this movie is nearly perfect already, so whatever Ady does can be nothing but good, no matter how many of our suggestions he uses. It's icing on the icing. Heh. Nitpicking is something that can be both good and bad. :p

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Well, I heard back from my contact that worked at Lowry Digital. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any information about the coloring changes because there was none to give since he didn't start there until after SW was completed. Plus he mentioned NDAs.
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sunday256 said:

Well, I heard back from my contact that worked at Lowry Digital. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any information about the coloring changes because there was none to give since he didn't start there until after SW was completed. Plus he mentioned NDAs.


I was just reading articles about Lowry's work and here's what Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing and Distribution for Lucasfilm and Executive Producer of the collection said:

"We’d done a lot of work on the films prior to going to John [Lawry], re-mastering them in high-def, down-converting them into standard def, and re-color timing them. We actually took a cleaning pass through Industrial Light and Magic, as well, but then ultimately took them down to John to make them pristine."

-Apple Canada

So it sounds like ILM digitized the film, down-converted it, color-timed it, tried to clean it, and then sent the remains to Lowry to be cleaned up. Does that mean ILM add the new 2004 changes to the damaged print? It does seem like ILM is responsible for the bad colors though.

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adywan said:


seven said:

-Add missing push button off Luke's Lightsaber

where is this shot?

here is a ref shot of the top button missing from Lukes Saber
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2589832187_b13717f3e1_o.jpg
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seven said:

-Fix Luke's Lighsaber glow to match activation sound
again, where?

When Luke does into the cave and see's Darth Vader, you hear his Lightsaber activate off screen. Next shot is Luke holding his lightsaber at the bottom of the screen, when he slowly starts to raise it, we see the blade color 'pop' on instead of already being on
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The only thing I can say is I really would like there to be an isolated score...

I dunno how feasible it is... but I would like that. i know you probably can't have all the alternates too, but it might be cool to have an isolated score.

As stated, I can supply it. I think I'm going to rewatch the movie in a bit and just see if there's anything I can catch sound wise or what not.

And Adywan, I know that you probably have a very gifted team of individuals working on the film, but if you ever need a hand, let me know.

I have been working in music remastering for a while...even as a hobby... but I've managed to get quite a bit of acclaim... not to mention I've amassed a large Star Wars SFX library not to mention the original Lucas Film sfx library, from which MANY sound effects are sourced.

I'd love to help out if there is anything you need.

Hell, for Jurassic Park Legacy, we were doing a Film Cannon mod for Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis so I had to recreate a lot of the dinosaur sfx from those ...and for some that weren't in the film long like the Corythosaur, I had to make new sounds which I did and I have to say, sound really nice. hehehe


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The question then becomes what to use... Unless he had several tracks, you'd have to decide what alternate to use...


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doubleofive said:

Has everyone seen this from Star Wars Weekends?

We need to add Chewie dancing the Hoth.


That was funny as hell. Especially the Thriller. I'd like a clean print of this cuz' I could totally use it for a few projects of my own.

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Oh, and one more thing. I know this is the ESB:R thread but in case I forget for the ROTJ:R thread..... Ady, look here man, I know you got skrills and all so hopefully you'll finally do something about the ewok poop on the wookie's foot. That's just really bugged me for years and the smell is awful. Possibly have Leia spray some Febreeze on him or something.

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did I miss something with all this talk of Wookie feet?


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Ripplin said:

doubleofive said:

EDIT: And though the article doesn't mention it due to gross clerical error, there is an errant slowflake on Chewbacca's foot. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here yet.

I don't know if you've heard, but there is a similar problem in Star Wars, but involving sand. We're all hoping Adywan does one more edition of ANHR that fixes this problem.


Here's hoping!!


On a serious note (well, not that serious actually)....You guys are ruining the greatest film ever made for me. All these mistakes and what-not....Wish I never read this thread now.

Still can't believe after the hundred or so times I've seen this movie, I still didn't spot half of what you guys have brought up.
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On a separate note, I wanted to mention I've been toying with mixing and exporting my score edit as AC3 files... and I have to say... I almost want to start releasing my score edits as AC3 instead of MP3 or FLAC because I've never heard the score sound so good...

To me at least, there is an audible difference. The added clarity I made sure to incorporate definately cleans up the sound, and hiss almost gets reduced as well... and the surround sound just makes the recording sound amazing...

I dunno, but if You'd like me to send you the score as AC3 Adywan, it may eleviate any need to mix it yourself and you could almost literally place it in the film.


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doubleofive - Thanks for that Lowry Digital article link. I saw it before, but couldn't remember where, and wanted to check it out again! :)

Seems like Lowry did decent work, and that it was Lucasfilm themselves that tampered with the colour-grading so poorly then?....
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Ok, My friend and I were discussing this the other day. I don't know if it was ever suggested or not, but here it goes.

During the battle of Hoth when Luke tosses the Thermal Detonator in the AT-AT, maybe have a shot (2-3 seconds long) of snow troopers sitting in the back lit by a red light (ready to be deployed) and then have the screen fill up with an explosion and then cut to the exterior shot of the AT-AT blowing up and falling down.

I feel that this helps expand the depth of the battle by including an added element to the AT-AT.
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seven said:


When Luke does into the cave and see's Darth Vader, you hear his Lightsaber activate off screen. Next shot is Luke holding his lightsaber at the bottom of the screen, when he slowly starts to raise it, we see the blade color 'pop' on instead of already being on


seven - Never actually noticed that one in the past if it's right. That's one of the sort of subtle touches that doesn't really matter if it's done or not, but really nice if it is kind of thing that would be good to see after years of rewatches. :)



When we first see the long-shot of the whole 'plectrum'-shaped structure, it's 'leading edge' is straight all the way down....but on the first 'close-up' shot of it, as Luke walks back along it's walkway towards the entrance, it has a noticeable 'bend' in it above and below where the extended 'gantry' juts out. It looks like the shape of the previous long-shot 'plectrum', where the bend is at the 'rear edge', has been put back-to-front! Can the 'angles' of the 'leading edge' in the shot with Luke be adjusted above and below where the long 'gantry' on the right is, to look like they 'line up' more? However, a following shot at the entrance of Luke and Darth duelling is not so bad-looking, as it is more 'face-on' to us.



Quick question- Does anyone happen to know it if the design of the uppermost 'tower' area (the horizontal portion at the very top, complete with the two 'ball-shaped' structures either side) on the 'Executor' superstardestroyer, is exactly the same as the one on the 'standard' stardestroyer or not? Thanks.


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So... It seems like Ady has everything pretty much under control. I will go hide under a rock until the ROTJ edit is in swing. Catch you later. ;)