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Also, there is (at least in my experience) only the number zero, but never the letter 'O'. And caps don't matter there (sorry Psychodayv!).
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Sluggo said:

Also, there is (at least in my experience) only the number zero, but never the letter 'O'. And caps don't matter there (sorry Psychodayv!).

Yeah, it's not case sensitive, but in my experience, it's the letter 'O' only, no zeros. At least, it always accepts an 'O' for me. Maybe any circle or oval will do? Heh.

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Wow. Amazing work with this so far, Adywan. As a video editor myself, I am proud to say that I have no idea how you did some of these effects. :D I can't wait to see what you do with the rest of the movie.
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Nice work, but I hope you keep at least some blue tint in the snow, as it naturally reflects the sky (I believe)

http://image.guim.co.uk/Travel/gallery/2007/apr/27/green.climatechange/Arctic-desert-terrain-1642.jpg

most of the pictures if seen of arctic areas have at least a little blue tint

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Those new rebel troopers in front of the entrance are a great addition. They really add to the activity of the base in that shot.


ImperialFighter said:

Being one of the more poorly-realised 'design continuity' errors, this is one I'd REALLY like to see improved on, if possible - The moving 'practical effect' showing the top of the AT-AT's leg, is totally the wrong shape....

In the 'close-up' shot of the AT-AT's underneath, as Luke's cable 'rappel-attachment' sticks on after he shoots it upwards....and the 'close-up' shot where he is dangling from it using his Lightsaber....the 'rounded' end of the moving 'leg joint' is a far different shape to the better actual miniature design of that part. The 'rounded' bit of this prop, nearest to Luke as he kicks off it, should really have been more of a raised, 'hollowed-out' circular shape with the raised protuberance in the centre of it, with what looks like some holes (?) around that, inside the 'hollow' too. Can this in any way be improved to match the pieces seen in the colourful explosion that follows underneath the model?


I didn't get to finish off about this the other day, but here's the rest of my thoughts on this one -

I've no doubt that this sequence would be tricky for Adywan to fix, but I can but hope.... Here goes: Looking at this again, it seems that the whole moving 'prop' piece (that Luke 'kicks off' on during his Lightsaber swipe) should really have been a good bit BIGGER overall, as well as not matching the shape of the corresponding miniature piece. If that whole piece can be made bigger somehow, then that would be great, and I also reckon that the section of it that is seen 'sliding up and down' on the far right, is not exactly the correct shape either....and that with any hoped-for 'bigger'-replacement proportions of a new, main 'rounded' piece that you could insert instead, that we would only see a 'sliver' of this section in the far-right of the frame now, which would 'push up' HIGHER past the bottom edge of the overhanging 'flap' in the foreground. Also, the actual overhanging 'flap' section itself (seen above Luke) should be 'angled' more on the right-hand side, and it's detailing amended too, to better match the one on the miniatures if possible.

As well as during the colourful explosions underneath the AT-AT miniature just after Luke falls back to the ground....another good place to 'freeze-frame' the area concerned is when Luke and Zack are just passing the end of the first AT-AT that they fly past in their snowspeeder, during the start of the Hoth battle. It's a bright shot of the side of the AT-AT.

Finally, if you DO attempt something like this....could we see a hint of the OTHER front-leg 'rounded' piece in the frame on the left-hand side too, just when we first cut to the shot immediately after the 'rising Luke' one?....then have this hint of 'rounded' piece move BACK OUT of the frame to tie-in with the movement of the shot that occurs just before Luke's swipe with his Lightsaber?



I mentioned the other day, that as well as the above major sequence alterations, that there was 'something else' that I'd REALLY love to see if Ady agrees....

At this point, I would like to ask if there is anyone out there with the technical capability, who would be kindly willing to put up certain screenshots (from a PAL version ideally, for which I can give you the correct timings) on here for me sometime?....to help illustrate a further opportunity for a possible enhancement by Adywan that may improve something which never satisfied me in 'Empire' as it stands. If there is, can you please PM me, and I will get back to you about it with the details. Once sombody can add them here for me, I will see them, and be able to make my suggestions then. Thanks.

Just so you know....it involves a couple of things over THREE individial shots that are currently in close proximity to each other, TWO of which have always troubled me. I'd like to suggest something that could potentially tie these shots together into a much more exciting and threatening sequence.

It involves a sequence that has been alluded to in general terms by a few on this thread if I recall, but I'd like a shot at suggesting various elements, and 'alternatives' in detail, for Adywan to mull over. It involves the 'Hoth approach by the Imperial Fleet'....
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To continue on the Luke vs the AT-AT thing: When luke crashes and pulls his 2nd pilot out of the snowspeeder, it is crushed by the AT-AT. However, the AT-AT steps on it and that's about it. Considering the size and weight of the AT-AT the speeder should really be crushed, or at least pushed in the ground. Now it looks like the leg of the AT-AT isn't really having effect when it steps on it with his FULL weight.
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DMaarten - I agree with you, as I'm certain others do, and that is certainly a thing that could have been done with greater impact. Whether Ady is able to improve on it any is another thing. Although some folks suggestions on this 'Empire Revisited' thread have already given him some nice ideas to think about, whether he chooses to do them or not is another matter, as there seems to be so much for the poor bloke to do already to improve this thing....

I just know already that whatever Adywan decides to leave out, this edit is potentially going to surpass even his first 'Star Wars Revisited' one....and that is something we can all look forward to at this early stage.

Isn't it great though to have our own equivilent of an 'Industrial Light & Magic' effects facility, that we can directly put our own individual suggestions to, for this particular 'Special Edition'? :)

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Octorox said:

Nice work, but I hope you keep at least some blue tint in the snow, as it naturally reflects the sky (I believe)

http://image.guim.co.uk/Travel/gallery/2007/apr/27/green.climatechange/Arctic-desert-terrain-1642.jpg

most of the pictures if seen of arctic areas have at least a little blue tint

This was addressed a couple of pages back. :) He's aware of it, and has already done some work on fixing the horrible blueness, but keeping some blue tint at the same time. Poor guy.

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Yeah, I really respect all the hard work that's going into this project but someone's got to do it and evidently that someone's isn't going to be George Lucas or his crew
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On the issue of Boba's voice, I prefer Boba's new voice only because the old voice makes him sound like a scowling old man. It's only been 20-30 years or so since he was a young kid in Episode II. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.
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ImperialFighter said:

DMaarten - I agree with you, as I'm certain others do, and that is certainly a thing that could have been done with greater impact. Whether Ady is able to improve on it any is another thing. Although some folks suggestions on this 'Empire Revisited' thread have already given him some nice ideas to think about, whether he chooses to do them or not is another matter, as there seems to be so much for the poor bloke to do already to improve this thing....

I just know already that whatever Adywan decides to leave out, this edit is potentially going to surpass even his first 'Star Wars Revisited' one....and that is something we can all look forward to at this early stage.

Isn't it great though to have our own equivilent of an 'Industrial Light & Magic' effects facility, that we can directly put our own individual suggestions to, for this particular 'Special Edition'? :)


I know, just throwing my bone on the table just like all the others :) I would adopt Adywan if I could :)

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Octorox said:

On the issue of Boba's voice, I prefer Boba's new voice only because the old voice makes him sound like a scowling old man. It's only been 20-30 years or so since he was a young kid in Episode II. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.



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Well for some reason, I pretend that troopermans edit is the real Attack of the clones, In which he is the son, not the clone; leave it alone! (Rhyme not Intended)

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ImperialFighter said:

Do you think you are able to add a touch of 'brick red' colour to some of the Millennium Falcon's relevant 'individual' panels? I mean on certain 'close-up' miniature shots where these panels are too darkened to 'black or dark grey' sometimes.

Shots such as the top and underneath of the Falcon, as it 'swerves' in 'close-up' during the asteroids from right of the frame to the left (A similar move by the Falcon is seen when it is shown going in the other direction, as Lando flies it for the first time alongside other rebel fleet spaceships, where it's 'rusty' red panel colouration is nicely obvious and far better-looking, although I realise the 'Empire' SE's overall colour is dark during the asteroids now)....and shots like when it turns to attack' the stardestroyer in 'close-up' to us....and during the miniature 'close-ups' where it travels with the rebel fleet at the end.


Just realised that I missed out the words '....as seen in 'Jedi' when I referred to the similar move as Lando flies it for the first time....because I didn't mean it to sound as seen in 'Empire'.

Hope that didn't confuse too many folks, and is the reason I sure hope someone can help me with screenshots, which will paint a thousand words....
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I was thinking one night about Vader's meditation chamber. This is completley a shot in the dark, but when Vader's helmet is being placed back on his head, there can be robot arms adjusting his mask and tubes coming out of his head. Then they all retract right before the helmet latches on. It's hard to explain, and probably harder for Ady to accomplish

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I know this is an old subject, but seeing vader in his chamber remembering padme is... now that I think about it, a stupid idea considering he is more machine then man, and can't really think on his own at this point.

I dont know. Were you thinking about something in the chamber scene ADY?

 

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DGC General X said:

I was thinking one night about Vader's meditation chamber. This is completley a shot in the dark, but when Vader's helmet is being placed back on his head, there can be robot arms adjusting his mask and tubes coming out of his head. Then they all retract right before the helmet latches on. It's hard to explain, and probably harder for Ady to accomplish

PLUS

I know this is an old subject, but seeing vader in his chamber remembering padme is... now that I think about it, a stupid idea considering he is more machine then man, and can't really think on his own at this point.

I dont know. Were you thinking about something in the chamber scene ADY?


I posted something similar earlier. I would love to know what you are thinking for this scene.
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adywan said:

ok, well here's the preview with the proper colouring (well apart from the very last shot which i haven't finished work on yet). there's also a new shot or two in there that i have just finished. I'm also adding this to the first page for ease. Oh, and still no footprints in the snow. Its just impossible to track the motion with the tools i have on that shot to add them but the boom mic is gone

2 MINUTE PREVIEW WITH CORRECT COLOURING


Excellent so far. The new extras and colororation sell the scenes so far. I am expecially happy to see more rebels manning the base. I seem to see more detail that I am used to in the Star Destroyer as well, but it could be wishful self-delusion. Great stuff!
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DGC General X said:

I was thinking one night about Vader's meditation chamber. This is completley a shot in the dark, but when Vader's helmet is being placed back on his head, there can be robot arms adjusting his mask and tubes coming out of his head. Then they all retract right before the helmet latches on. It's hard to explain, and probably harder for Ady to accomplish

PLUS

I know this is an old subject, but seeing vader in his chamber remembering padme is... now that I think about it, a stupid idea considering he is more machine then man, and can't really think on his own at this point.

I dont know. Were you thinking about something in the chamber scene ADY?


Sorry, but to me this makes Vader into a sissy....Vader is supposed to be a bad ass. Unfeeling and cold......which makes his decision to save Luke a dramatic and unexpected event. If we make Vader into a big pussy who is always regretting his decisions then he becomes a whole less menacing.....who wants that?

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Octorox said:

On the issue of Boba's voice, I prefer Boba's new voice only because the old voice makes him sound like a scowling old man. It's only been 20-30 years or so since he was a young kid in Episode II. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.


QFT. Having gotten so used to the new voice, it sounds bizarre to me to hear the old one.
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vbangle said:

DGC General X said:

I was thinking one night about Vader's meditation chamber. This is completley a shot in the dark, but when Vader's helmet is being placed back on his head, there can be robot arms adjusting his mask and tubes coming out of his head. Then they all retract right before the helmet latches on. It's hard to explain, and probably harder for Ady to accomplish

PLUS

I know this is an old subject, but seeing vader in his chamber remembering padme is... now that I think about it, a stupid idea considering he is more machine then man, and can't really think on his own at this point.

I dont know. Were you thinking about something in the chamber scene ADY?


Sorry, but to me this makes Vader into a sissy....Vader is supposed to be a bad ass. Unfeeling and cold......which makes his decision to save Luke a dramatic and unexpected event. If we make Vader into a big pussy who is always regretting his decisions then he becomes a whole less menacing.....who wants that?


You guys better stop mentioning that, might give Lucas a bad idea when coming up with the eventual changed-even-further BluRay version!
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i'm a firm believer that the classic Boba Fett voice is the only voice... the new guy sounds way too Aussie for me. you could always just make alternate audio tracks for people who prefer the new one. stick with Jason Wingreen's voice.

i also noticed Darth's 'Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival' line. my brothers thought i was crazy. god, that was so out of place! sounded nothing like him. hopefully "You're lucky you don't taste very good." will be restored in the Dagobah scene.

gotta say those open window shots DO have to go (Bespin).

this is a pretty good basic reference, albeit an obvious one.

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Hey, Its been forever since I've posted... but I was curious... how is the musical score coming along?

I know for ANH you went back and did some adjusting on the score... are you doing the same here?

And out of curiosity again, the finale sequence...

It was scored once by williams. Then Lucas adjusted it and lengthened it.

Then he rescored it.

The final film still presents the extended version BUT, instead of using the rescore, they track in music from elsewhere, and then cut to the original scoring .

Would it be worth maybe testing the finale with the extended rescore?

Also, are you planning on doing a music only track with all the unused music?

I've already done an expanded, complete score... If you need good mixes, I'd be happy to supply you with them. I am more than capable. What you do with visuals, I do with sound ;-)


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mumbles_ said:

i'm a firm believer that the classic Boba Fett voice is the only voice... the new guy sounds way too Aussie for me. you could always just make alternate audio tracks for people who prefer the new one. stick with Jason Wingreen's voice. unless Jango's son is a clone of himself it makes no sense to me that Temuera Morrison would play Boba's voice as well.

gotta say those open window shots DO have to go (Bespin).


In the first place, "the new guy" is a Kiwi, not an Aussie. In the second, what's wrong with his accent? The reason Ady's restoring the old voice is because Morrison's performance isn't up to scratch. In the third, Jango's son is a clone, although I liked the idea that the Star Wars: Reborn guys were floating around of conflating the two into one character. I think Ady's solution, however, is going to be treating the voice of Jango to sound more like Boba in AOTC when he gets around to it.

On the open windows... why? If there isn't any reason you want them gone other than they weren't there in 1980, then there are OUT restoration projects on here that would be more to your liking.

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RoccondilRinon said:

mumbles_ said:

i'm a firm believer that the classic Boba Fett voice is the only voice... the new guy sounds way too Aussie for me. you could always just make alternate audio tracks for people who prefer the new one. stick with Jason Wingreen's voice.


In the first place, "the new guy" is a Kiwi, not an Aussie. In the second, what's wrong with his accent? The reason Ady's restoring the old voice is because Morrison's performance isn't up to scratch. In the third, Jango's son is a clone, although I liked the idea that the Star Wars: Reborn guys were floating around of conflating the two into one character. I think Ady's solution, however, is going to be treating the voice of Jango to sound more like Boba in AOTC when he gets around to it.


yeah i just caught that. oops. my bad. insert "Death Proof" quote here... or Flight of the Conchords--whatever you're privy to.

I have the OUT versions, just figured some of the CGI in the special editions looked too fake or forced to some of us. It's not very important and I don't absolutely hate it, but just reading a list of a bunch of mistakes I never noticed tells me maybe this won't be the easiest one to fix up after all. Ady will do what he feels is right, even though I'm sure his intentions are to maintain the Bespin stuff. alteration of Fett's voice and Skywalker's scream at the end of the special edition were the only real beefs I had with the special editions.

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mumbles_ said:

alteration of Fett's voice and Skywalker's scream at the end of the special edition were the only real beefs I had with the special editions.


You are aware that in the 2004 DVDs the scream has been removed, right? Ady shouldn't need to worry about that particular detail.