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Should there be 'sparks' as Darth cuts Luke's hand off?

Freeze-framing the shot doesn't seem to indicate that his Lightsaber handle was affected during this. If the sparks stay, would it be possible to have a small part of the bottom of Luke's Lightsaber handle being chopped off at the same time as the hand, and have the small piece falling away too, to explain the 'sparking'?

On the exterior model shot 'close-up' of the Medical Frigate ship near the end, as we pan left towards the inset 'window area' portal' (which it would still be great to see a small R2 and C3PO staring out of....), it seems that the actual angles of this 'inset', lit-up portion don't match the full size set ones. Could you amend them to do so?

Going back to perhaps adding a red 'light' dot to the end 'close-ups' of the Millennium Falcon model at the end- It might look really good to also add the two red 'lights' to the front ends to, to also match the look of the Falcon as seen on the platform of the 'floating city', and when it blasts off from there. I think these would really help to make these shots look even better, and add to a sense of realism if they tie together more with the earlier platform shots.

That's your lot for now....my brain hurts!
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I'm just going to answer a few of the suggestions at the moment because there have been so many.
ImperialFighter said:


An actual laserblast from Han's pistol hitting the Mynock that he shoots it off the Falcon inside the Asteroid Slug would be nice.

Well i was just looking at that shot and i would be able to put a laser blast in if he was actually holding his gun at that point. The shot they have Han has actually got some sort of tool and is holding it with both hands. They must have taken it from a cut shot of Han repairing the outside of the Falcon.
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The 'steam/smoke' that comes out of the Carbon Freeze Chamber hole as Han is lowered is a satisfyingly large and dramatic amount.....however the amount that comes out of the same hole when Darth tries to do the same to Luke during their duel IS NOT. It always seemed an unsatisfactory and disappointingly small amount compared to the Han effort, and I would love to see this improved on if it is within your capabilities. If you agree of course! Another thing I think would add to the dramatic effect of both sequences, is that during the actual INITIAL big flurry of engulfing steam/smoke that emerges from the Chamber hole....a very brief blue flash or two is also superimposed on it then too, as is seen in subsequent moments during the process.

As has been said, during the sabre duel Luke isn't in the pit as it starts its cycle so the steam would be less as there is nothing in there to freeze so i won't be changing this
ImperialFighter said:


And I'd love to see the Falcon's landing gear 'legs' retract a bit AFTER it has turned to escape from the lasers on the 'floating city' landing platform, just as it zooms away into the distance....

I'll see what i can do
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The second 'Probe' crash that Luke watches on his Tauntaun is a far better-looking object entry (longer, lighter streak effect ) than the initial bright pink 'blob' that crashes into Hoth. The shot just before the 'pink blob' shows the 'casing' of the Imperial Probe Droid heat up as it enters the Hoth atmosphere, then darken. I think the charred 'casing' crashing into the snow instead of a 'pink blob' would look far better, or at least would be better if it at least looked more like the one Luke watches.

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ImperialFighter said:


I don't know if you've got round to working out what you want to do with this particular scene yet, but here's a possible solution to Luke's 'missing' Lightsaber as he crashes through the 'window' during his duel with Darth.

His sabre is already on the gantry in the birds eye shot so no fix needed for this
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6718/saberjy5.jpg
Sojourn said:


A note about the cockpit transparency test -- so far, it looks great, and is undoubtedly an improvement over the official release. I did notice, however, that in the original DVD version, when the snowspeeder banks, one can see the reflection of light/snow/change in view through the window on the metal struts of the cockpit. This didn't carry over into your version -- I'm guessing it's just because you applied a new matte over the original cockpit struts to mask out the laser beams, and you hadn't gotten around to adding some of those more subtle reflections. I just wanted to bring it to your attention, in case you hadn't noticed (unlikely, but I thought I'd mention it nonetheless :-)),

That scene was just a test. there is a lot more work and mattes to add to get it looking right
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Also, in that scene where Vader tempts Luke, any chance you can fix his helmet from blowing / wobbling around in the wind? That always annoied the hell out of me!

Well we know that its a 2 piece helmet so given just how strong the wind is in that scene the helmet would move around like that so i won't be tackling that.
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I know all of these questions have no answers, but I wish they would open up the archives to Ady to allow him to take the time to matte out all of the elements properly. Heck, give him access the original background plates too. Let this one man take the time and his own money to do what Lucas would not do.

God i wish. If i had access to that it would save me hell of a lot of work and i would be able to fix the matte boxes that are going to be impossible to fix in both ESB & ROTJ
Jeyl said:

Here's something to think about. During the battle of Hoth just after Luke says "Echo Station 57, we're on our way.", you see four Snowspeeders fly over the frame, than in the next shot we see nine of them flying over head, and than back to four again! Think there will be any touches to this? Going from four to nine and back to four again was always awkward every time I see the scene.

I don't know yet. i'm still at the early planning stages

(oh and the pics posted are just for reference. no colour correction has been done on these. i just brightened them so you can see them better)

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adywan said:

Well we know that its a 2 piece helmet so given just how strong the wind is in that scene the helmet would move around like that so i won't be tackling that.

Isn't that what you said about the wobbly table on the Falcon? ;)

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ooo, what about Needa being more dead weight? Right after he is killed and Vader motions for him to be carried off, it is pretty obvious that he gets up by himself when they 'pick' him up and drag him off (was this mentioned already?)
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adywan said:

That scene was just a test. there is a lot more work and mattes to add to get it looking right


Sounds good to me. Thanks for the reply!

Also, about Slave I following the Falcon to Bespin -- I think this is an example of us not seeing every step of the process, so that Vader and Fett's reveal in the refreshments room in Cloud City comes as more of a shock. Witholding the information, and us only knowing that Fett was following them after all, makes the whole arrival at Cloud City far more tense.

Just some thoughts -- what do you think?

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I'd love to see more "how its done" stuff, like the Mos Eisley breakdown PSD. How are you making the cockpit solid without a clean plate? Some kind of video voodoo?

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I'm gonna guess that he's matting out everything but the cockpit, playing with brightness/contrast/gamma, then re-matting the adjusted version back over the original shot.

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RE the Slave I/Bespin thing:

This is something the prequels fell victim to: over-explaining things that don't need to be over-explained. I don't think it needs to be changed at all. If anything, making it seem like he's listening in on their conversation somehow (just an audio clip of their conversation played while he's in the cockpit) is all that should be done, but I'm honestly against that as well.
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Agreed.
I think that, being that their hyperdrive was out (this was obvious to everyone since they had not escaped yet) and it would be unwise to try getting too far without it, it would be a simple matter for Fett to calculate their trajectory and determine which of the nearby systems the Falcon was heading for.
Then he contacts the Empire and everyone hyperspaces over there to arrive first.

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adywan said:

I'm just going to answer a few of the suggestions at the moment because there have been so many.
ImperialFighter said:


An actual laserblast from Han's pistol hitting the Mynock that he shoots it off the Falcon inside the Asteroid Slug would be nice.

Well i was just looking at that shot and i would be able to put a laser blast in if he was actually holding his gun at that point. The shot they have Han has actually got some sort of tool and is holding it with both hands. They must have taken it from a cut shot of Han repairing the outside of the Falcon.
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ANSWER - Firstly, thanks for taking the time to answer ANY questions/suggestions Ady!
Although this shot is very brief and indistinct, when watching the SE release on my television screen, I can see what looks likes Han's right hand finger on the trigger of what he's holding, better than is obvious in the photo above. It's almost as if the silver barrel is incomplete, but is so brief that it is not too much of a problem. I didn't mean this shot though, as there is no laserbolt sound effect at that point. What I meant was the next shot where the Mynock falls off the Falcon amid 'sparks'. Is it possible to insert a laserbolt immediately as we cut to this shot, to coincide with the laserbolt sound effect that is clearly heard at this point? This would be a welcome addition I feel.
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The 'steam/smoke' that comes out of the Carbon Freeze Chamber hole as Han is lowered is a satisfyingly large and dramatic amount.....however the amount that comes out of the same hole when Darth tries to do the same to Luke during their duel IS NOT. It always seemed an unsatisfactory and disappointingly small amount compared to the Han effort, and I would love to see this improved on if it is within your capabilities. If you agree of course! Another thing I think would add to the dramatic effect of both sequences, is that during the actual INITIAL big flurry of engulfing steam/smoke that emerges from the Chamber hole....a very brief blue flash or two is also superimposed on it then too, as is seen in subsequent moments during the process.

As has been said, during the sabre duel Luke isn't in the pit as it starts its cycle so the steam would be less as there is nothing in there to freeze so i won't be changing this
ANSWER - Well, you can't win 'em all! I do however certainly see the logic in your and Ziz's explanation of this.
ImperialFighter said:


And I'd love to see the Falcon's landing gear 'legs' retract a bit AFTER it has turned to escape from the lasers on the 'floating city' landing platform, just as it zooms away into the distance....

I'll see what i can do
ANSWER - Great, as this was always one of my favourite FX shots from the movie!
ImperialFighter said:


The second 'Probe' crash that Luke watches on his Tauntaun is a far better-looking object entry (longer, lighter streak effect ) than the initial bright pink 'blob' that crashes into Hoth. The shot just before the 'pink blob' shows the 'casing' of the Imperial Probe Droid heat up as it enters the Hoth atmosphere, then darken. I think the charred 'casing' crashing into the snow instead of a 'pink blob' would look far better, or at least would be better if it at least looked more like the one Luke watches.

Already been taken care of
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ImperialFighter said:


I don't know if you've got round to working out what you want to do with this particular scene yet, but here's a possible solution to Luke's 'missing' Lightsaber as he crashes through the 'window' during his duel with Darth.

His sabre is already on the gantry in the birds eye shot so no fix needed for this
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6718/saberjy5.jpg
ANSWER - No doubleofive, it seems you're not crazy, and that it IS there! Hands up all those in the world that didn't notice it there before.... (mine certainly is!) Throughout numerous viewings on various screens and displays in the past, I just didn't realise that was meant to be it, lol. Having checked both GOUT and SE releases, I find it is still not obvious as the Lightsaber due to it's position and shadowing. I always thought that particular object was an item with a 'hose'/'tubing' attachment lying there with the other debris, rather than the hilt lying ON TOP of 'hose'/tubing'....and obviously could have done with your yellow arrow in the past!

Ady, I am using a very nicely set up television screen with excellent colour, brightness and contrast levels adjusted, and the whole gantry walkway on the SE release is coloured/shadowed in such a way where the shadowed Lightsaber seems to merge into it too much to be obvious. It does seem more noticeable in your vibrantly-coloured shot above though, especially with that arrow! Even though this seems to be it, the shot is so brief that your eye is distracted by either the struggling Luke in the centre, or the flashing gantry light on the left. If you are happy with the current solution of it lying on the walkway in this 'birds-eye' shot alone, I would ask you to consider moving it over a bit nearer where Luke is clinging on, which is the area viewers focus on, so that it's more easily seen as a stand-alone item. If you choose to leave it where it is, then I would ask that you perhaps 'bring it out' a bit from the shadowing and 'hose'/tubing' beside it. And to be really pedantic, the end of the hilt seems to cut off slightly at a strip edge on the floor of the walkway, rather than overlap it slightly to be nearer the actual edge of the walkway where Luke's fingertips are clinging on. The actual proportions of the edge of the gantry can more clearly be seen in the following shot's 'close-up' of the actual set that Luke scrambles back onto, which of course due to the angle of the shot, hides the fact that the Lightsaber is on it, even if you do put it nearer him in the 'birds-eye' shot.

I'd still love to see an added 'falling' Lightsaber deactivating near Luke as he goes backwards through the window before this though, so that it's easily identifiable amongst the debris during that brief shot....because it could be a very neat-looking, subtle addition to the proceedings, and help to more easily identify that it would be deactivated on the walkway seen in the 'birds-eye' shot.

(oh and the pics posted are just for reference. no colour correction has been done on these. i just brightened them so you can see them better)

And thanks for that, as I can now make the Lightsaber out! ;)
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I think the saber could stand being moved a bit to frame right, maybe just past Luke's left hand. That might help it being noticed a bit more, for those who don't know its there.

Now that you all know its there, it'll be all you can see. :-D

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I'd be happy to see it nearby his right hand myself... :)


ONWARDS-

The blue 'atmosphere haze' is uneven around the shot of the Hoth planet at the start, as the 'Probe' descends.

For the same reasons recently mentioned, could a red 'light' dot also be added to the side of the Millennium Falcon's cockpit 'arm' on the 'close-up' miniature shot inside the asteroid slug, where Leia is seen alone? And not so sure about this one, but could the shot also benefit from a little hint of 'light-spill' coming down on a part of the dark left hand side of the shot, tying in with the downlighting of the following Falcon set shots as our heroes investigate? The shot of the stationary Falcon on the 'floating city' platform at dusk shows a few 'pools of light' shining on the platform underneath it (although there is no hint of them as it takes off).

Can you remove the (admittedly nicely done) SE release 'flames' that are now shown around the snow crater now has during the long shot of the Imperial Probe Droid floating off? There are no 'flames' in the preceeding 'close-up' shot of the Probe rising out of the wide crater, but there is 'casing' debris around it.

Can you remove the strange 'white ball' that appears just at the end of the shot of the Millenium Falcon heading down into the blackness of the asteroid cave, just before it transitions to the shot of Lukes X-wing heading towards Dagobah?

When the 'skin flap' of the Luke's artificial arm is closed by the Medical Droid, it doesn't quite line up with the little portion of 'fake arm' that we can still see nearest the sleeve. Could this be amended?

And please consider this one too Ady - Could the metal 'clamp/binder' section nearest the sleave be actually removed, and replaced with a LONGER robe sleeve nearly up to where the flap area closes over? This would make it seem that not so much of his arm has been lopped off compared to scenes earlier in the movie, and gets rid of the 'faker-looking' veins on the dummy arm nearest the existing sleeve too....
The next shot which shows Luke's left arm clearly shows where the new robe 'seam' on the cuff would be.


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Damn, no that you've pointed out the fake hand, I cannot get past it without noticing. It really looks very fake. If some thing can be done to fix it would be great.

As for adding some graphics to the blank screens in the cockpits, well, you have done some outstanding work on ANHR with the holograms and other graphics, so I have no doubt you will do a great job on this one too.



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ImperialFighter said:

Going back to perhaps adding a red 'light' dot to the end 'close-ups' of the Millennium Falcon model at the end- It might look really good to also add the two red 'lights' to the front ends to, to also match the look of the Falcon as seen on the platform of the 'floating city', and when it blasts off from there. I think these would really help to make these shots look even better, and add to a sense of realism if they tie together more with the earlier platform shots.


I forgot that there is also an earlier model shot of the Falcon inside the asteroid slug, just after Vader says "I want that ship, not excuses" and his chamber closes.... This is a shot showing it's lit-up underside from a low angle. This time the two lights at the front of it are actually white light (like when it first flies down through asteroid cave) rather than red light.

There are inconsistencies throughout the original trilogy concerning these, but I wonder if it is possible to either have these red too, or perhaps CHANGING from white to red (or vice versa) during this brief shot, which would explain it a bit, and ties in with the next interior shot where Han is doing something and 'shutting things down'?

When we first see the 'plectrum'-shaped construct that Luke and Darth duel on, it has two sets of double red lights on it's base....but when we see the underneath of the structure during the first half of Luke's fall from it (where his right arm seems to be the one that's okay now!), there are now THREE sets of red lights. Can you remove the middle set?

And I'm just 'throwing this one out there' for you to consider too at this stage for the future Adywan - If, as you indicated previously that you might, that you do indeed alter the start of your 'Jedi Revisited' to a more 'Executor' stardestroyer-focused beginning (which sounds great, and logical from Darth's standpoint too), as opposed to the 'too samey' standard stardestroyer passing overhead intro. of 'A New Hope's' perfect one....will you consider using that particular stardestroyer 'passing overhead' visual element SOMEWHERE. I don't know if you have thought yet about still using it in 'Jedi' (with shuttle removed, or shuttle and Ties removed?) somewhere in your future edit mix or not, and if you are, then great....but if not, perhaps you could have a think about this -

It currently runs at about 17/18 seconds (PAL version) from when the front tip appears, until the 'belly dome' detailing passes overhead, and because it's still such a fantastically majestic and powerful visual effect, it would be a shame not to utilise it somewhere. If you decide there is no room for it in your 'Jedi' intro. or anywhere else in your 'Jedi' edit, then what about re-using it in 'Empire'? - It would still be a good element EVEN if it has to be 'cut short' a little or 'speeded up' at your discretion. I'd far rather see a part of this used to say, replace the brief shot of the strangely fake-looking 'dark grey' stardestroyer that is seen approaching Hoth to the 'fast' strains of the 'Imperial March', which is an effect I never thought looked good. Althought the planet itself is nice. OR....perhaps you could use it as the basis for your 'Captain Needa shuttle going to meet the 'Executor' superstardestroyer' shot? The shuttle you want is already in place, and just the Ties would need to be erased. It might mean a little rejigging of whatever 'Executor' element below it, or ahead of it, that you would choose to use would be required, but it would still tie in with events after the next short scenes of Darth 'accepting the Captain's apologies', where the fleet is in the middle of breaking up in ALL directions anyway. If you DO use it somewhere, I hope you will choose to linger on the bottom of it long enough to keep the 'belly dome' detail in! Even if that means chopping of the first half or so of it's entrance.
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Happy to oblige. Better keep that notebook ready Ady, as I have a few more over the next few days....

I don't expect you to like them all obviously, as every more critical fan has their own particular ideal ideas. But there may be the odd little thing or two that you like, and may not have thought of yourself already, and it's great to know that you are at least listening. I guess I'm making up for the fact that I came to the party TOO LATE to offer various proposals for your Star Wars Revisited'....only my favourite all-time movie!.... Curses! Anyway, you were kind enough to comment on the few of them that I PM'd you about, but I assure you I had plenty more, LOL!
Thankfully, your edit was fantastic anyway! :)

adywan said:

Anyway, does anyone fancy seeing the first 2 "finished" minutes (minus the crawl) of ESB:R, complete with new FX?


Are you kidding?, BRING IT ON!!!
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adywan said:

Anyway, does anyone fancy seeing the first 2 "finished" minutes (minus the crawl) of ESB:R, complete with new FX?


I'm not sure, does it come with cake? Cause I'd fancy it if it came with cake. Maybe even if it didn't.

;-)

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adywan said:

Just encoding it now. should be here in about 20 mins


I love that "a few months off" turned into "let me do the first color correction pass real quick" to "it took me 3 days, 9 layers and 123 masks to do this one Yoda scene" to "I'm just going to start to matte the transparency issues" to "here's the first two minutes."

I freaking love it.

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doubleofive said:

I love that "a few months off" turned into "let me do the first color correction pass real quick" to "it took me 3 days, 9 layers and 123 masks to do this one Yoda scene" to "I'm just going to start to matte the transparency issues" to "here's the first two minutes."

I freaking love it.


Amen!

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Pancakes, I can never seen to play your clips! What program do you need?

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