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My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
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Still, typical spin doctorism from ILM and/or GL.
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adywan said:
I'm not sure about this. the problem is that i do a lot of the colour tweaking later in the process when i'm doing FX work and have got the editing done. I don't bother doing proper colour correction to any of the space shots or the shots that are full FX only until that stage. So the colour would be all over the place until then.
GhostAlpha26 said:
Ady, will there be any chance of you releasing a purely color corrected version of ESB? I know you couldnt with ANHR but I thought it would be nice to have an ESB color corrected version and I think it would be a great help to the community for anyone planning to do future projects with the movie.
Ady, will there be any chance of you releasing a purely color corrected version of ESB? I know you couldnt with ANHR but I thought it would be nice to have an ESB color corrected version and I think it would be a great help to the community for anyone planning to do future projects with the movie.
I'm not sure about this. the problem is that i do a lot of the colour tweaking later in the process when i'm doing FX work and have got the editing done. I don't bother doing proper colour correction to any of the space shots or the shots that are full FX only until that stage. So the colour would be all over the place until then.
Ady can still share his custom color tweaks with the rest of the forum. I made a histogram off of the initial release of ANH:R, and applied it to the 2004 DVD and HD broadcasts of ANH. It looked very good, and would be a great start for anyone wanting to create a project of their own. I can upload the histograms if anyone is interested. I know I've asked you this before, Adywan, but do you use a Mac or a PC?
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PaulisDead2221 said:
I know I've asked you this before, Adywan, but do you use a Mac or a PC?
I know I've asked you this before, Adywan, but do you use a Mac or a PC?
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adywan said:
Yes i am going to attempt to fix that. I also hate the way that ILM lied about fixing those shots for the SE in the Making of docs. I don't know how the hell i'm going to do some because the actors are also transparent in the speeders in some shots too. But that problem isn't just isolated to the Hoth battle. I've spotted some ships being transparent in space, also some of the Falcon cockpit shots amongst others. I have fixed one already (well 90% fixed so far) and that it the shot of the Falcons cockpit as they leave the Hoth Hangar (the side view shot). You can see the hangar walls through the cockpit walls & the actors. I think ILM went a bit mad on the idea of transparency to hide matte lines. But why did they lie and say they fixed it when they clearly didn't? who knows. Even the interior speeder cockpit shot they show in the making of as the speeder swoops down between the AT-AT's legs that they said they had fixed is clearly still transparent.
Sluggo said:
I don't remember if this had been addressed yet, but is the transparency of the interior shots of the speeders being fixed?
I don't remember if this had been addressed yet, but is the transparency of the interior shots of the speeders being fixed?
Yes i am going to attempt to fix that. I also hate the way that ILM lied about fixing those shots for the SE in the Making of docs. I don't know how the hell i'm going to do some because the actors are also transparent in the speeders in some shots too. But that problem isn't just isolated to the Hoth battle. I've spotted some ships being transparent in space, also some of the Falcon cockpit shots amongst others. I have fixed one already (well 90% fixed so far) and that it the shot of the Falcons cockpit as they leave the Hoth Hangar (the side view shot). You can see the hangar walls through the cockpit walls & the actors. I think ILM went a bit mad on the idea of transparency to hide matte lines. But why did they lie and say they fixed it when they clearly didn't? who knows. Even the interior speeder cockpit shot they show in the making of as the speeder swoops down between the AT-AT's legs that they said they had fixed is clearly still transparent.
I wouldn't say they lied, they did make it less apparent in some shots, although it's still there.
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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1092/1426668879_7ba912ffbc_o.jpg
o well
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ben_danger said:
yeah the snowtroops would be really cool, as would more rebel infantry, though i can imagine that would be really impossible to make/get footage, unless you could somehow get hold of a copy of battlefront from the far future.
yeah the snowtroops would be really cool, as would more rebel infantry, though i can imagine that would be really impossible to make/get footage, unless you could somehow get hold of a copy of battlefront from the far future.
like could be cool to see rebel infantry on Endor, versus the imperial, instead of the Ewoks! :D
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Anyway on to Empire, the color corrections are looking really good, I honestly hadn't realized just how severe the color problems were, until seeing the side-by-side.
Here's my two cents on some other stuff:
Regarding the Wampa scene, I'm glad that you're losing most (if not all) of the Special Edition shots, however there's a shot in the original version that always bothered me... (I don't think anyone has mentioned this, apologies if this has already been discussed...)
We see a glimpse of white fur through a hole in the icy wall, and I swear it looks like it's on a dolly, it's rolling horizontally, with no vertical/diagonal motion at all. I'm sure you have noticed this as well.
I actually like the 3D fly-through stuff at Cloud City, as well as the CG windows, I wouldn't mind seeing those bits stay in.
I like the suggestion of shortening Luke's arm to reduce the obviousness that Mark's hand is still there, plus it seems feasible in terms of effects...
Otherwise I'm very comfortable with your general if-it-aint-broke approach.
OK that's it for now!
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Killbot said:
I like the suggestion of shortening Luke's arm to reduce the obviousness that Mark's hand is still there, plus it seems feasible in terms of effects...
I like the suggestion of shortening Luke's arm to reduce the obviousness that Mark's hand is still there, plus it seems feasible in terms of effects...
I hadn't even thought of that. Good idea. (although I think Luke's arm isn't as bad an offender as in Jedi where we can see Vader's wrist bend after his hand is lopped off)
Any attempt to add more ground troops and such to Hoth will be awesome too, but even if all you do is fix continuity/technical goofs and color correction, that's really all it needs in my opinion. But you must do what you feel is right, of course.
I have nothing but the greatest faith in your abilities and judgment.
After all this is what your exasperation results in, and you alone have seen the true facts of pure hero's ground. (I'll give you a nickel if you can tell me where that last line came from :)
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NEW YODA CLIP- xvid
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Your work is even more incredible the more I look at it.
Oh, and that first shot of R2 turning towards the X-Wing is the shot where I think the X-Wing should start slipping into the water. It's really high out of the water to only have a part of the wing sticking up a few seconds later.
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I only want to bring this up now in the hope that Ady will wait until that particular thread comes before deciding properly, although whatever he chooses to do will no doubt turn out great. The problem with 'Jedi' is that it started the saga on the route to becoming a little too 'childish' in places, as opposed to being 'child-like', and there is potential to make Boba Fett's 'weapons-laden' threat into a far better, more serious appearance. There is also a way to utilise the existing footage to actually make him die 'differently', and to even let him....whisper it....survive, with a little tweaking, either from the Sarlaak, OR the 'different' death.... But that can all wait till the 'Jedi' thread, so please don't ask in the meantime.
Anyway, as far as 'Empire' goes, I notice that the blue colouring of R2D2 in the X-wing in space is erratic. In some shots his blue sections are completely blue with no 'shading', but other shots have his blue sections blackly shaded with a little blue added. Tying these together a bit would be nice, and to be honest, I prefer the latter look.
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ImperialFighter said:
Anyway, as far as 'Empire' goes, I notice that the blue colouring of R2D2 in the X-wing in space is erratic. In some shots his blue sections are completely blue with no 'shading', but other shots have his blue sections blackly shaded with a little blue added. Tying these together a bit would be nice, and to be honest, I prefer the latter look.
Anyway, as far as 'Empire' goes, I notice that the blue colouring of R2D2 in the X-wing in space is erratic. In some shots his blue sections are completely blue with no 'shading', but other shots have his blue sections blackly shaded with a little blue added. Tying these together a bit would be nice, and to be honest, I prefer the latter look.
I too like the mostly black coloring to R2 in those particular shots. I mean, its space, there shouldn't be that much coloring to his panels. Definitely don't make them solid black, but just hint them a bit on the blue side.
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I've also just added the new Dagobah colour correction clip, along with the Hoth battle colour correction clip on the first page so they are easier to find
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adywan said:
Yeh, some of the shots of R2 are terrible. They are just too blue. If you look very carefully you can see that they added a new layer of colour for his done that doesn't quite match up at times but destroyed all the shading in the process. I may have a way of fixing it though.
Yeh, some of the shots of R2 are terrible. They are just too blue. If you look very carefully you can see that they added a new layer of colour for his done that doesn't quite match up at times but destroyed all the shading in the process. I may have a way of fixing it though.
To be a little more specific, having looked at the SE version again, I'd say the way the ones just after Luke blasts off from the 'Hoth' planet in his X-wing are fairly nicely and consistently blue coloured/'shaded'. However it's the ones in the later scenes, just before Luke crashlands into the 'Dagobah' planet, and when Luke leaves Yoda and Obi-wan's appearance, that are inconsistent and not as good. These seem a mixture of either too much 'unshaded' blue along with too much black 'shading' still. However, whatever your own preference is, any way you can make the shots a little more uniform will be an improvement.
And agree with doubleofive that it would be nice to see Luke's obviously static, largely revealed X-wing subtley seem to start to 'slip down' or 'across a little' in some way as R2 turns towards it, as it almost fully submerged in the next shot of it which occurs very quickly after.
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In the same sequence - When Darth's severed helmet initially 'explodes', there are some pieces/shards on the ground beside it as the smoke clears, but in the next shot, they are gone. Could you remove them (or add them in if you prefer), to tie the shots better together? Also, the side of the 'exploded' helmet looks grey compared to the previous intact helmet shot, where it seems 'blacker' and more 'reflective' of the ground nearby. Is it possible to 'blacken' it a little to match up more? And yes, even the actual ground of these three individual helmet shots look different...so much for continuity.