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Okay, I really, really, really, really mean it this time... this is the last attempt at showing the Falcon's monitor!

This one will sell the idea once and for all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAxE438fhQ

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oh_riginal said:

So, apologies to everyone for my part in this. I just wanted to show what I imagined the monitor might be like.

I don't think you need to apologize whatsoever.  You came up with an idea, a mockup, and then presented it to the community.  The problem lies in when we (and I do include myslef in the group) run around in circles trying to catch our own tails on something that has been seen and considered, but ultimately rejected by Ady for his edit.  To then continue to argue the point is where it goes little too far.  That's when we get the Great Blue/Grey TIE Fighter Debate™ and people just want to move on.

I'm all for seeing other's ideas come to life.  As we just saw, Ady changed his mind and a completely finished shot based on an idea from one of the members here.  If you have any more mockups or ideas, please post them!

edit: Just saw your latest mockup:  That settles it!  I've done a 180 here.  Ady, please, put that in to ESB:R!  Now the shot is perfect! :)

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vaderios said:
Bingowings said:

It might be nice to actually see the sun in this shot going by the amount of light it hasn't sunk yet.

Bespin Sun Rays

Thats too green matey..

I like the idea of the sun, still the clouds should follow the proper light source.

 

-Angel

It's a problem I have with this Skydrive thing I'm currently using.

I get something looking perfectly fine on Photoshop (where it looked in this case peach at the top and inky blue at the bottom)and when I upload it looks nothing like what I originally worked on.

So I have to go back and compensate for the the way it looks when it finally loads up.

I have no idea what setting of an alien sun on an alien planet looks like but I've seen some pretty strange and exciting ones here and light scattering can do some pretty weird stuff to cloud highlights.

I think the general rule should be if you like it go with it and let what ever Gods you follow figure out how it works.

Liking it or not however is a subjective thing.

 

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Holy Hotcakes! That moniter shot is awesome!

 

I favorited it on youtube.

We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.

-Carl Sagan

 

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Leia: "You trust him?"
Han: "No, but i think we should see how this plays out...mmmmm"

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adywan said:

just recently it was suggested that when Luke approaches Bespin that it should be later in the day because the sun is setting shortly after. Now i had spent 5 days working on  the new moving  matte shot of Luke's approach and had just finished it and i loved it until i saw this suggestion.  i've now gone back and had to change most of the elements and start from scratch because i like this idea. luckily i could reuse all the tracking work i had originally done and have now completed it (minus the xwing which needs to have a new element added) but the finished shot is 1000% better than it originally was.

 

This sounds great for continuity, and your revised version could make a nice option as a future 'Thursday shot' to preview sometime.

Also, it would be of great interest to see even a frame from your original take on this shot, if that is at all possible, for comparison's sake.

Oh, and it was neat to see a little more of the Bespin city 'stem' in your previous recent 'cloud' shot.

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Didn't some guy called mojo-something who worked on the Battlestar Galactica CG shots offer to help out last year? I think he mentioned he had access to a render farm.

It might be worth contacting him?

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What for? Does the revisited sage needs a render farm for the 3d stuff?

I mean, I know that ady is against of the CGI.

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With a bit orange, the levels are more clear. I erased the buildings because they had wrong perspective.( now less orange maybe, or more brightness)

Also in the very down of the hall, maybe is a matte problem...

 

-Angel

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vaderios said:

What for? Does the revisited sage needs a render farm for the 3d stuff?

I mean, I know that ady is against of the CGI.

He mentioned he wanted a few CG shots a few pages back. I remember the rendering of the new CG Tie reveal shot for ANH:R took a month... I figured a renderfarm would speed that up considerably   :-)

 

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vaderios, I wouldn't worry about any CGI being used here and there if necessary, as I'm sure it will only be included if it's as good as the stuff previously done for 'ANH:R'.

I really liked your speculation on how the background 'cloud' lighting might look in this shot eventually, now that we have a rough idea of how Luke's 'approach' shot is going to look....  With or without any buildings in the distance at this point, I like your effort.

 

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DarthBo said:

Didn't some guy called mojo-something who worked on the Battlestar Galactica CG shots offer to help out last year? I think he mentioned he had access to a render farm.

It might be worth contacting him?

 

 Yeah his online handle is Darth Mojo, he has a website and has worked on Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek Voyager. He also has the same attitude as most about the prequels so he would fit in nicely here.

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Yeah, I don't think Mojo will be back here anytime soon.  Wanna know why? Re-read the two thousand posts back in the ANH:R thread!! He kinda got slated for not liking the TIE reveal...or something like that, and has not been around since!!

http://www.facebook.com/DirtyWookie

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oh_riginal said:

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise.... If Ady isn't interested in this idea, maybe other fan editors may like it? Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

Now the dashboard is darkened, the monitor has more of a glowing effect, the images move more, and there is aurebesh text on display. Disregard the final 20 seconds or so, as that was a mistake.

I. Am. Done.

Thanks for watching.

 

Probably your best one simply because of the editing (the changes between the monitor and Han and Leia, save perhaps from the last cut, are precisely where I thought they should be.)  The way it is now feels natural and doesn't hurt the flow of the scene whatsoever IMO.

The real problem remains finding a hi-res picture of the Falcon's cockpit instrumentation... as good as your clip looks on its own, compared to ady's edit the quality would likely stick out like a sore thumb (unless, of course, your clip is better looking than what we're seeing on youtube, which is almost a given).

Edit: sorry for continuing this topic... I replied to it from a few pages ago before reading the remaining posts.  BTW, LOVE the final FINAL version of your clip oh_riginal :)

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corellian77 said:
oh_riginal said:

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise.... If Ady isn't interested in this idea, maybe other fan editors may like it? Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

Now the dashboard is darkened, the monitor has more of a glowing effect, the images move more, and there is aurebesh text on display. Disregard the final 20 seconds or so, as that was a mistake.

I. Am. Done.

Thanks for watching.

 

Probably your best one simply because of the editing (the changes between the monitor and Han and Leia, save perhaps from the last cut, are precisely where I thought they should be.)  The way it is now feels natural and doesn't hurt the flow of the scene whatsoever.

The real problem remains finding a hi-res picture of the Falcon's cockpit instrumentation... as good as your clip looks on its own, compared to ady's edit the quality would likely stick out like a sore thumb (unless, of course, your clip is better looking than what we're seeing on youtube, which is almost a given).

That was always the biggest problem with this mockup for me, was being unable to get a hold of a hi-res dashboard image. There just doesn't seem to be one out there! I would probably be better off finding an image that is at least close enough to looking like the Falcon's dashboard, rather than using the actual image of it, which is blurry and pixelated.

 

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Looking forward to seeing the Luke arrival scene ady!

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Everyone keeps talking about how great the acting is in the OT and sometimes I really try to believe thatstatement. Now, I re-watched this "Lando system" scene and IT'S TERRIBLE!!! The actors sound so flat! Like Tarkin when he says "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion". Compare THAT to the perfectly delivered lines by Ewan McGregor in the PT, such as "Unfortunately, the war" or "Our missing planet, Kamino".

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Xammer said:

Everyone keeps talking about how great the acting is in the OT and sometimes I really try to believe thatstatement. Now, I re-watched this "Lando system" scene and IT'S TERRIBLE!!! The actors sound so flat! Like Tarkin when he says "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion". Compare THAT to the perfectly delivered lines by Ewan McGregor in the PT, such as "Unfortunately, the war" or "Our missing planet, Kamino".

 

I always thought the acting was hit and miss throughout all the films, with some just being better than others. ESB just so happens to have the best performances, and coincidently it is not directed by George Lucas. Not every scene is perfect, but it is the most consistent I think.

Also, editing can create a performance of an actor... which means re-edits can re-create a performance and even improve a character. I think that is the greatest benefit of fan edits, even more than updating special effects and such. Which is why I'm really looking forward to ROTJ:R.

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oh_riginal said:

Okay, I really, really, really, really mean it this time... this is the last attempt at showing the Falcon's monitor!

This one will sell the idea once and for all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAxE438fhQ

 

 You did it perfect this time

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"just recently it was suggested that when Luke approaches Bespin that it should be later in the day because the sun is setting shortly after..."

 

Hmmm...I'd urge to you rethink it again, Ady.  Even though logically it works, emotionally and metaphorically, the sun doesn't really start going down until absolutely everything has fallen apart for our heroes.  Here, Luke is arriving to save his friends, and we don't yet know how badly that's going to go south.  The more blue, optimistic, well-lit environments support that emotionally - the young hero is here to save the day.  When it's getting to be clear that he's totally overmatched, and the other band of heroes is desperately just trying to escape from Cloud City with their lives, and then shortly after we find that one of them is simply not going to make it out, we start getting that terrific melancholy lighting, and the metaphocial sun setting on our heroes.  I think you risk shifting the mood too early if you start sunset at Luke's arrival.  Anyways, just a thought...

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Okay, here is what I was trying to get to:



I know you've been reworking this Ady, so sorry to add more to the plate. 

I just think it would be fantastic to have some alien-esque skies over Cloud City to emphasise that it's STAR WARS and that they are floating in essentially a planet like Yavin (or Jupiter or Saturn).  Also, if it would be possible to incorporate MOVING clouds - again, they wouldn't have to be zipping around, but just any slow movement (like what you see in Miyazaki films, specifically the opening to CASTLE OF CAGLIOSTRO) to add some life to the setting shots.

- in this particular shot, I imagine the upper right cloud moving to the left or right as the lower layer moves at a slower pace, as Luke races from the right side towards Cloud City (the sun could be shown behind CC to the left, maybe allowing CC to give off a slight "eclipse" type shadow, or the image could be kept "as is" without any sun effects to keep it from being TOO complicated - in fact, I like it without any sun, since it looks like the sun is to the right off-camera)

- also note how things like background elements can be used to enhance and define depth of space: the placement of that one cloud in the foreground to contrast against the rest of the image depicting large objects in the distance to help add dimensionality.

- I guess that is my wish for re-edits of ANY form is to beautify and add to the existing shots or be creative in the editing and FX to enhance the story without needlessly overcomplicating things to the point of being a distraction, so nix the sun idea.
 
The main thing is making sure that the FOCUS is still on the proper subject/items in the frame.  I guess that was yet another problem with the Prequels is that you never really had any scenes where composition was thought through.  Even in BLADE RUNNER you still had a big building in the background to focus your attention on...

On a side note:
As far as the time line of events go, for myself, Han and Leia got there at sunset and spent the night (so Leia's apartment scene could be early morning), so the second day Vader and Co. torture them and Luke picks them up; Luke gets to Bespin roughly at "near-dusk", so by the time he is on the underbelly it is sunset and going onto night again. 

You have to take into account that:

(1) the Falcon has no hyperdrive, so it would take a little while to reach Bespin from the asteroid field (which would give Luke the handful of weeks or so for his initial training)
(2) even with Luke's X-wing having hyperdrive, who knows how far Dagobah was from Bespin, so the Bespin events from Han landing to Luke on the bottom would at least have to take about 2 or 3 days, NOT TO MENTION:
(3) Cloud City is essentially the size of Manhattan Island or even bigger, with New York City just on the top (!).  That means when Luke lands he has to work his way down a skyscraper, get to the bottom level of the city on top of CC, THEN work his way down hundreds if not thousands of levels to get to the lower area of the CC main body just to get to the carbonite chamber, which still leaves his fight and then fall down the shaft to the bottom of the CC main body.  All of that is going to take a lot more than an hour or two to happen.

Also also:

With a bit orange, the levels are more clear. I erased the buildings because they had wrong perspective.( now less orange maybe, or more brightness)

The lighting is good, but you would have to remove a lot of the clouds just so we can separate the foreground from the background.  In the previous shot, there is a lot of open sky to separate the two walls, whereas the second shot you lose a little of that delineation.  I would almost keep a little more of the original blue in the tint of the hallways just to help them stand out a little more (and that the vertical lighting would cast their own "tint" so to speak)

- on a last note, would it be possible to change the sky color of the daytime shots from the typical Earth-like appearance to the light yellow in the top picture, that way Bespin's sky stands out a little more from Hoth and most of the other SW planets?

Here are some mock-ups:


that's a little bit on the cloudy side, but I was trying to do the original just with the light beige skies as opposed to blue ones.




         

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