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shanerjedi said:

Imperial Fighter

the main issue I have with that original falling walker shot is there's no life around it. There's no battlements or anything in that shot to blend in with the live action footage that preceded and followed.

 

 

I believe that during that particular falling AT-AT shot, that we wouldn't see the likes of the Rebel trenches in front of it, because of the way that it's framed.  It's a 'side-onwards' view of the AT-AT which is still out on the open snow plain (ahead of the trenches), which hasn't quite reached the trenches yet.  In a following shot of the 2 snowspeeders flying towards this same fallen AT-AT, they have travelled quite a bit before they get to it to fire upon it.  The trenches are still somewhere behind these snowpeeders.

My own main hope for the shot would be if there was a way to somewhat match the position of the legs on the  'side-onwards' falling AT-AT , to the 'close-up' of the 'tangled leg's that comes immediately beforehand.  The wrong 'knee' hits the ground first, and the rear legs are in a different position.  It's a brief shot, but it's the wrong 'knee' hitting the ground first that personally distracts me the most.  I previously suggested 'flipping' the beforehand shot into reverse to remove that problem, (although the background would probably need tweaked to match the shot of the speeder wrapping around the 'close-up' legs), if this was too problematic to amend.

I'd certainly like to see some of the tangling 'tow cable' in this shot though, as it can still be seen in an even further away shot of the same AT-AT beforehand (the birds-eye view of it).  Also, I'd have liked something like a laserblast coming out of the AT-AT at the very start of it's fall in this 'side-onwards' shot to give it a little 'something' extra here.  Perhaps some 'camera shake' as it hits the ground too.

Either that, or a passing snowspeeder coming from the left of the frame (or the hint of the underside of one passing in 'close-up' to us in the foreground top of the frame), or a laserblast or two coming from a Rebel trench Turret cannon / Round cannon from the left of the frame, or a combination of any of these. 

I'm sure Adywan will give us something....ANYTHING!  :)

 

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I did a mock up of what the shot of Veer's Walker being in the only one left might look like:

Used the shot of the tripped walker just before it gets blown up, the last frame of Luke's exploded walker, and Vaderios' matte at about the angle that it should be.

Vaderios has pointed out the turret facing the wrong way before and ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.  I don't think anyone has pointed out that there is a guy on a turret on frame right facing AWAY from the walker, confirming the oddity of this shot.  Were the Rebels supposed to charge the walkers at some point?  Beats me.

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doubleofive said:

I did a mock up of what the shot of Veer's Walker being in the only one left might look like:

Used the shot of the tripped walker just before it gets blown up, the last frame of Luke's exploded walker, and Vaderios' matte at about the angle that it should be.

Vaderios has pointed out the turret facing the wrong way before and ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.  I don't think anyone has pointed out that there is a guy on a turret on frame right facing AWAY from the walker, confirming the oddity of this shot.  Were the Rebels supposed to charge the walkers at some point?  Beats me.

 

 It's beautiful, but I feel like the mountain behind the walker takes away the feeling of a menacing big machine coming our way. I'd like to have the silhouette of the walker in an empty sky.

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TMBTM said:
doubleofive said:

I did a mock up of what the shot of Veer's Walker being in the only one left might look like:

Used the shot of the tripped walker just before it gets blown up, the last frame of Luke's exploded walker, and Vaderios' matte at about the angle that it should be.

Vaderios has pointed out the turret facing the wrong way before and ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.  I don't think anyone has pointed out that there is a guy on a turret on frame right facing AWAY from the walker, confirming the oddity of this shot.  Were the Rebels supposed to charge the walkers at some point?  Beats me.

 

 It's beautiful, but I feel like the mountain behind the walker takes away the feeling of a menacing big machine coming our way. I'd like to have the silhouette of the walker in an empty sky.

I wondered about that, but it wasn't a creative decision, I was just trying to match up the angle with Adywan's preview of Luke flying up the walker.

I'll see if I can move it a bit.

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doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.

 

Nope, that one wasn't me.  I can't recall who first mentioned that unfortunately.

I don't know what Adywan can do about that, and it wasn't really one of my biggest issues with the battle footage anyway.  To be honest, I don't know how strictly true that is, judging by some of the shadows on show during some of the oncoming AT-AT shots!

Nice speculation about how this shot might end up looking though.  I love mock-ups.  :)

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Had to stitch the matte from the other side.  It's a little better, at least its inbetween mountains this time.

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ImperialFighter said:
doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.

 

Nope, that one wasn't me.  I can't recall who first mentioned that unfortunately.

 

I was lol

Breathtaking mockup 005 :D

I can tell that is another movie!

 

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Tobar said:

You've probably already seen these Ady but I was just poking around when I found this:

Close up shot of Wampa

I was surprised so I decided to look around some more and stumbled upon these:

Side shot of first Wampa

Sideshot of SE Wampa

Front of original Wampa

Front of SE Wampa

Good shot of the placement of the ears

Another Front Shot

thanks for the link Tobar. hadn't seen those pics. They'll come in very handy

doubleofive said:

I did a mock up of what the shot of Veer's Walker being in the only one left might look like:

Used the shot of the tripped walker just before it gets blown up, the last frame of Luke's exploded walker, and Vaderios' matte at about the angle that it should be.

Vaderios has pointed out the turret facing the wrong way before and ImperialFighter has pointed out that the sun is behind the rebels in most of the other shots.  I don't think anyone has pointed out that there is a guy on a turret on frame right facing AWAY from the walker, confirming the oddity of this shot.  Were the Rebels supposed to charge the walkers at some point?  Beats me.

Nice mock-up 005

yeh that is a strange shot indeed. it does seem as if the rebels are supposed to be running towards the battle instead of away. it may also explain the shot before the speeders blow up the fallen AT-AT where we see 2 rebels running towards the walker as the speeders fly overhead

but that shot can also settle a long running argument about the lightsabers not producing shadows. if you look at the explosion you can see just how bright it is yet it creates a shadow. this is because it has mass and this is the same with the lightsabres. if the sabers didn't have any form of mass they would be useless as the blade could pass straight through objects. and originally they were supposed to be heavy weapons. so now, as you see, a lightsabre would indeed produce a shadow.

 

 

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adywan said:

Nice mock-up 005

yeh that is a strange shot indeed. it does seem as if the rebels are supposed to be running towards the battle instead of away. it may also explain the shot before the speeders blow up the fallen AT-AT where we see 2 rebels running towards the walker as the speeders fly overhead

but that shot can also settle a long running argument about the lightsabers not producing shadows. if you look at the explosion you can see just how bright it is yet it creates a shadow. this is because it has mass and this is the same with the lightsabres. if the sabers didn't have any form of mass they would be useless as the blade could pass straight through objects. and originally they were supposed to be heavy weapons. so now, as you see, a lightsabre would indeed produce a shadow.

Thanks for the compliment.  Means a lot to me.

And I was confused by the shadow of the explosion, but it didn't dawn on me that it destroys my lightsaber shadow theory.  Oh well, less work for you then!  I'll try not to cringe at Luke beating down Vader in RotJ anymore since all I usually see are the shadows of two guys with sticks...

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Ady, are you, as Imperial Fighter suggested, adding additional elements to the falling AT-AT shot to explain why it falls (rope, laser, etc.)?

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corellian77 said:

Ady, are you, as Imperial Fighter suggested, adding additional elements to the falling AT-AT shot to explain why it falls (rope, laser, etc.)?

yes. you'll be seeing a snowspeeder circling the AT-AT in the wide shot of the 3 AT-AT's

Blessed continuity.  I love it!

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adywan said:
corellian77 said:

Ady, are you, as Imperial Fighter suggested, adding additional elements to the falling AT-AT shot to explain why it falls (rope, laser, etc.)?

yes. you'll be seeing a snowspeeder circling the AT-AT in the wide shot of the 3 AT-AT's

 

Any chance to see rebel lasers from the trenches(offscreen) to hit to the AT-AT way?


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adywan said:

OK well it's Thursday here again so heres this weeks new pic......

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Credit to Vaderios for the section of his matte i used for this shot

 

Is that a finished shot?????

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adywan said:

OK well it's Thursday here again so heres this weeks new pic......

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Credit to Vaderios for the section of his matte i used for this shot

 

Is that a finished shot?????

Come on, catch up!

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doubleofive said:

I know this is a work-in-progress, but going through it frame-by-frame (its so short, I'm justified!) I noticed that the falling walker doesn't move for the first frame.  I KNOW you're going to fix it, but I can't be too safe by not saying anything.

It's impossible to see in the full motion, I'm just having a great time flipping back and forth as everything moves but the walker defies all logic and stays perfectly still!

 

I played back that portion frame-by-frame just to see what you mean, and you are correct. The very first frame of that falling walker is the same as the following frame. While everything else is inmotion, the walker is just frozen in mid-air for those 2 frames. Then it falls. In motion it is virtually impossible to spot, but I see what you mean. I'm sure Ady is still tweaking these shots, though.

 

As far as the clip goes, WOW! I have nothing to complain about with this clip. I think it is a vast improvement over the original shot. To my eyes, there is nothing wrong with the mountains at all.

 

 

 Ady probably has tweaked it by now. I know I'm gonna get turbolasers for this BUT.....in the last clip, all wonderfull AT-AT glory and all found myself diverted from the main event (luke going up) by all the action around him, I know I could sound bitchy but it just happens.....I dunno if anyone else has had this feeling..?

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yeh that is a strange shot indeed. it does seem as if the rebels are supposed to be running towards the battle instead of away.

 

In my The ESB Sketchbook, there are storyboards by Ivor Beddoes of rebels and Imerial snowtroopers engaging in hand to hand combat. I wonder if they filmed it?

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Jedi Dark Knight said:
Oldfan said:
doubleofive said:

I know this is a work-in-progress, but going through it frame-by-frame (its so short, I'm justified!) I noticed that the falling walker doesn't move for the first frame.  I KNOW you're going to fix it, but I can't be too safe by not saying anything.

It's impossible to see in the full motion, I'm just having a great time flipping back and forth as everything moves but the walker defies all logic and stays perfectly still!

 

I played back that portion frame-by-frame just to see what you mean, and you are correct. The very first frame of that falling walker is the same as the following frame. While everything else is inmotion, the walker is just frozen in mid-air for those 2 frames. Then it falls. In motion it is virtually impossible to spot, but I see what you mean. I'm sure Ady is still tweaking these shots, though.

 

As far as the clip goes, WOW! I have nothing to complain about with this clip. I think it is a vast improvement over the original shot. To my eyes, there is nothing wrong with the mountains at all.

 

 

 Ady probably has tweaked it by now. I know I'm gonna get turbolasers for this BUT.....in the last clip, all wonderfull AT-AT glory and all found myself diverted from the main event (luke going up) by all the action around him, I know I could sound bitchy but it just happens.....I dunno if anyone else has had this feeling..?

Not me, it worked for me fine.  Maybe if the Luke and the walker weren't in the forground, then it would be more distracting. 

By having 2 walkers go down near the same time makes the rebels a bit stronger looking. 

 

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seven said:

Another link to good Reference photos of Studio Scale Models, Originals and Fan made.

As well as some contact info for kits

http://www.modelermagic.com/

I wish we had the money to commission some of these guys.  Holy crap, this stuff is amazing!

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Jedi Dark Knight said:
Ady probably has tweaked it by now. I know I'm gonna get turbolasers for this BUT.....in the last clip, all wonderfull AT-AT glory and all found myself diverted from the main event (luke going up) by all the action around him, I know I could sound bitchy but it just happens.....I dunno if anyone else has had this feeling..?

 

I reckon it's just the 'shock of the new' JDK....

I know there's more going on during this new shot compared to the original which we've known for many years, but I reckon this new look is IMMENSE in the scheme of things now!

Once I'd given it a few plays to study all of Adywan's new tweaks, I watched it a couple of times afterwards imagining they'd always been there, and my focus definately remained on the little figure of Luke rappelling upwards, just as it had in the original shot.

It just takes a little time to get used to it, if you've been used to the original.  This shot is gonna be amazing on a big screen eventually!

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Thanks ever so much to Adywan who kindly let me put up the clip as his original wishes were not to put it up, and due to the hundreds of e-mails I got from people begging me to put it up, I asked Adywan and he said YES!!!

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adywan said:
vaderios said:

Any chance to see rebel lasers from the trenches(offscreen) to hit to the AT-AT way?

The rebels are retreating at this point so there would be no laser fire from the trenches

 

Just wondering if this one got lost in translation (vaderios is Greek just so everyone knows) a little....

I think he might have been referring to the 'side-onways' shot of the single falling AT-AT, rather than the unfinished shot showing the 3 AT-ATs firing at the retreating Rebels.  But he can correct me if I'm wrong.