4th post
Adywan, having looked at everyone's comments on this now (although there's been just enough confusion with this one to make my brain hurt again, lol), there's still a couple of things that haven't been brought up yet, if you're aiming to keep the overall existing look of the current SE 'apartment' exterior structure....
Firstly, just to clarify - I agree that Han enters the doorway beside the 'plant in the red vase', and that Chewbacca and Lando BOTH end up entering the SAME doorway which has the 'seashell' beside it, a good distance away from Han's one. (You can just briefly see the'seashell' on the alcove shelf on the LEFT of Chewbacca, when he enters into the apartment with the pieces of C3PO, and it's to the LEFT of Lando when he enters too)
And I also agree that BOTH the 'whole building' seen at the end of the new SE 'Cloud-car city fly-through' (seen in 3rd post above), and the new SE 'apartment' corner-section of the top of that building (seen in the top shot shown here), seem the wrong shape and size to allow for ALL the various corridors seen, and the following walkthrough to Vader's room. It's a poorly thought-out 'upgrade' from the equally problematic original GOUT version unfortunately.... The SE 'fly-through' scene is a good addition in the main though, and I personally quite like the look of the new 'apartment' exterior, and the bit of movement in the shot compared to the static GOUT version.
Once again, screeenshots unfortunately don't tell the whole story, and the scenes need to be watched in motion, but both the 'whole building' shot and the 'apartment' corner-section shot, as well as the shots looking up at the interior 'ceiling' pattern, ALL have some 'camera-movements' during them, and would all be quite difficult to amend very much I'd imagine. I agree with those that suggest getting rid of the uppermost 'framework' on top of the apartment (seen in the top shot shown here) would at least tie-in better with the view seen through the 'apartment ceiling' in other shots, although I'd quite like to see that extra 'framework' detail added above the flat 'ceiling view' instead! Probably too difficult I know, as there's a lot of movement in those shots, and absolutely no biggie in the scheme of things at the end of the day.
(On the other hand, removing it will make the 'apartment' section more closely resemble that original Ralph McQuarrie artwork that doubleofive linked to recently, AND it seems that the uppermost 'framework' isn't clearly defined on the 'whole building' CGI seen at the end of the previous shot anyway (seen in 3rd post above), so removing it will tie-in with this preceding shot better too!)
Having said that, if you compare the positioning of the tall, fat building (with the 'Cloud-car' platform beside it) in BOTH the shot seen in the 3rd post above, and the top shot shown here, it can be argued that the 'end-section' at the top (and the whole building in general) where Leia's 'apartment' is situated, is quite WIDE, and that the somewhat ROUNDED 'windowed' section we see her pacing in, is actually at the far-corner of this 'wide' top end-section, where we wouldn't necessarily see the uppermost 'framework' in the angle of the preceding shot, anyway....
And that leads onto something else - if you choose to look on the 'apartment window' shot as being the WHOLE 'rounded end' of the top section of the building seen in the preceding shot....then the top section is only as wide as the 'apartment' is (very narrow in other words), and the position of the tall, fat building and platform is SIDE-onwards to the whole of Leia's building....
but if you look on the 'apartment window' shot as being positioned at the far edge of a WIDE top section, then the position of the tall, fat building and platform is facing DIRECTLY towards the end of Leia's building, and matches the positioning seen at the end of the preceding 'fly-by' shot too. (I REALLY like the idea of something along the lines of the rough mock-up that Davnes007 came up with at the end of the previous page by the way, but again it's tricky because of the 'camera-movement' I suppose)
Also, shouldn't the single 'wine'-coloured stripe either side of the 'apartment window' area be covering the strips just above and below it as well, to better tie-in with the fatter 'wine'-coloured stripe seen in the preceding shot? Especially since it was seemingly intended to represent the same structure? It's just another example of sloppy continuity it seems.
Either way, the fact remains that the various corridors seen, and the following walkthrough to Vader's room still don't match, although slightly less so if you choose to look on the end of the top-section (and the building in general) as being quite WIDE....
Speaking of corridors, check out the various shots of the corridor seen through the opening that Han entered through, during the scene from the point when Chewbacca enters too - in the top shots seen in the 2nd post above, you can see that the corridor behind Han is 'bluish' and 'rounded' compared to the more 'angular' detail seen when Lando enters where Chewbacca previously did. Well, it seems that the one that Han came through (and is now sitting beside) is similarly 'angular' in a couple of shots too! Look at the shot where Han says "Found him in a junk pile?...." for instance, where the stair area is located. If I'm right and had a choice, I'd prefer to amend the shots of the 'bluish, rounded' ones to be 'angular' too....
At the end of the day Adywan, if it's a case of the bare minimum being achievable here overall, then these would be the 2 MAIN things I'd personally be more than happy to see with the current footage, which would go some way to tying things together a little better -
1. The removal of the uppermost 'framework' (seen in the top shot shown here), to tie-in more with the 'ceiling view' (seen in the bottom shot shown here), if possible.
2. Some alteration to the interior of the 'apartment window' shot, if possible -
Firstly, you'll notice that I've shown your recent layout in my 1st post above. It's because the top shot showing the 'apartment window' is the one shot that I'd MOST like to see amended out of everything around this scene....but I just happen to see a slightly different layout of it to you.... Not that it matters who is right in this by the way, when you see what I have in mind, because either way, the current layout of 'doors' seen through the 'window' lead to nowhere!
Okay, here's what's always been my own take on this 'interior' layout, as seen through the 'window' - while you have certainly correctly indicated the 'door' and 'alcove' positions in the middle and bottom shots, in relation to each other, the line that you have also pointed to as being the corresponding 'door' in the top 'window' shot, is not the same door to my mind, but is instead the door that Han is supposed to have come out of.... Where we seem to differ is that I think you see the tiny detail on show as being the 'objects on the shelves', whereas I see it as being intended to indicate a hint of the top of the 'plant in the red vase' which is roughly the same height, and beside the door that Han entered through.
(Of course, this makes the current 'window interior' even MORE off-kilter in the scheme of things, as Chewbacca and Lando would have had to come into the apartment using their doorway somewhere around where Leia is facing in the shot, lol! Again, pretty sloppy the angle it was put into the shot)
However, although the spacing of the shadows are not perfect between the 2 shots shown here, going by the 'angle' of their direction, they seem to suggest that it is meant to be the top of the 'plant' beside Han's doorway that is being indicated in the top 'apartment window' shot.
Also, I happen to believe that the bottom shot shown here, which shows a 'close-up' of Leia 'looking out of a supposed window' is intended to show us an almost DIRECT-on view of the back of the apartment's layout, with Han's doorway on the RIGHT of the shot, and Chewbacca's and Lando's doorway on the FURTHEST FAR LEFT of the shot here. (Note: looking at Jambe' unused behind-the-scenes footage of the interior set where Han says "You look beautiful, you should wear girls clothes all the time" (sure glad THAT got cut!), I think that if that particular shot of the set had been used, that we SHOULD have probably had to see a little of the 'imaginary window' at that point (the set didn't seem to have one at all in that clip). However, I don't think we are quite able to see the edge of it in ANY of the actual footage that was used in the movie, as the camera doesn't pan around enough for us to be able to see it. I'm content that all's well on that front.
So finally, the ways I'd like to see the existing 'window interior' adjusted would be these - I reckon the SE hint of 'twisting, glass ornament' that we can make out behind Leia, that is currently on the left-hand side of the interior, should be moved over to the farthest RIGHT of the window, to give it a better 'centrally-placed' look in the overall structure. This would better match the actual set positioning of it behind Leia in the next shot, to reinforce that the back of the apartment is more to the RIGHT inside this structure....OR just REMOVE it totally out of the shot, and out of our viewpoint, if that's not achievable during this moving shot. (the little figure of Leia herself would just be kept pacing in her current position)
REMOVE the SE hint of the top of the 'plant' (or 'objects on shelf') altogether, as they should be further back to the right of the structure, unseen by us, again reinforcing that the back of the apartment is further to the RIGHT of the current structure. (There seems to be something sticking out now on the inside on the left-hand side that passes in front of Leia close to the window's interior. This is not really a problem, as the camera-angle of Leia's 'close-up' supposedly 'looking out of the window' in the next shot doesn't show exactly how close she is to the window, and isn't at an angle to see this 'protrusion', even if it had been included in the actual set. It's just an extra detail that could EITHER be left OR removed)
If possible, perhaps the current direction of the interior shadows can be tweaked a little, and a slight adjustment made to the 'curve' of the ceiling seen in the window. However, it's a moving shot, so this may not be achievable. It's certainly no biggie personally speaking, as I reckon the removal of the currently distracting 'plants' / 'objects on shelf', and shifting the hint of 'twisting, glass ornament' over to the RIGHT-hand side of the window (or TOTAL removal) will alone make a huge difference to the percieved layout of the interior in the shot. Certainly, anything is better than it is currently laid out.
Just as a final thought on this one from me, there is ALSO the possibility of giving the impression that the building seen in the 3rd post above has totally nothing to do with Leia's 'apartment' whatsoever! That's right, the 'ol 'flipped shot' routine.... (Although it took me a little while to get onboard with the idea of this with a couple of shots in ANH:R, I really like idea now that this can freshen things up in certain places)
Anyway, using my tried and tested 'mirror' trick, I've had a look at the new SE 'fly-by' shot that cuts to Leia in the window, and it seems that if you take that tall, fat building with the 'Cloud-car' platform as a focal point, that you can get away with flipping EITHER the 'fly-by' (there's nothing that looks out of place as the Cloud-cars are symmetrical, as is the tall, fat building) shot OR the 'apartment window' shot (my points for tweaking it would still be relevent though), but the 'Cloud-car' platform and the Cloud-car taking off above it, would need to be REMOVED from the end of the 'fly-by' shot. Apart from that, I think if you compare the shots in the 3rd post, and at the top here, you can just about get away with it seeming to be a cut from somewhere behind the tall, fat building, to somewhere in front of the tall, fat building, because of the angle that the tall, fat building seems to be positioned during the 2 shots!
It was just another thought, and I look forward to whatever extra is done in these scenes.
