Here is a mock up of what IMO would look better. I think the window should be darker in Leia's building, as it's overly bright in there compared to the outside of the building.
This is a bit of a crude mock up below but you get the picture, darker is better. IMHO
No idea how it can work with underexpose a bit the windows. I mean it will cause continuity errors to the next bright scenes.
-Angel
Well if we look at the force unleashed (which we shouldn't, since Ady says no to EU) he says he was never planning on taking out the emperor with the apprentice. So it could be said he knew before ANH that he had a child. Leia obviously wasn't "discovered" untill ROTJ.
The emperor must have known Padme was Preggo. He must have known as long as Anakin did.
Right? :?
vaderios said:No idea how it can work with underexpose a bit the windows. I mean it will cause continuity errors to the next bright scenes.
-Angel
I don't believe so, compare how it looks in the room when Leia is talking to Han and how it looks from the outside. I don't think it's overly bright but from the outside you'd think it is. I am sure Ady can do it better than I did. Maybe it doesn have to be as dark as I did it, but I really thought is was overly bright from the view outside in broad daylight.
Savage said:doubleofive said:almost completely undoing the terrible choice of Anakin not recognizing that he could have kids at all even though he's been calling him "Skywalker" all movie.
Yeah, but to me "Skywalker" is the Star Wars equivalent to "Jones" or "Smith" in the US. Who knows how many Skywalkers are running around in that universe?
Of course "hiding" Luke away from Vader by giving him to Vader's step-brother and keeping the "Skywalker" name wasn't too smart in the beginning, but what're you going to do? :)
Another random thought: what if Vader was the real last name of the family? Vader would have no need to hide his identity, and Luke would have every reason. It made no sense that the one in hiding retains his original name and the man looking for him has to change his.
But then again this is George Lucas' STAR WARS... (sigh)
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Anakin Vader.
I don't know. I like the idea of undergoing a complete recreation once consumated into the Sith Order.
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i cant imagine the name Vader to Hayden. I mean it was enough that he renamed to the end of the film.
-Whats your name?
-Vader. Anakin Vader!
-Nice to meet you "Ani"
-Angel
I think this could work out well; it would be one of the simplest changes and would help the window and building stand out better.
Vaderios: remember that the following scene takes place INSIDE the room, so there would be no problem to show the window in this shot to be tinted.
I would also add a suggestion: maybe slide the inside of the room a little to the right, since the underside of the overhead window seems to be a little "off" (going by the cylindrical object on top of the building - the left edge doesn't quite match up with the overhead window inside the apartment room); in fact, could that overhead part just be removed? I would even suggest reworking the building so it is more like a penthouse suite on top of a cylindrical building as opposed to a completely seperate module like it currently is.
Regardless of changing Leia's "building", maybe the background buildings could be "fuzzier" and "bluer" to account for atmospheric effects. Maybe add a lot more windows on the mid-ground buildings, as well as maybe some people/pilots populating the Cloud Car landing pad (maybe even show one take off or land?)
Another suggestion could be to make this a "morning" shot. It doesn't necessarily have to be the same "orange" look as the sunsets, but still, a more colorful approach would be interesting.
Here are some images:
this in regards to some of the hallway shots - possibly replace/remove the ceiling and extend it upwards ala the Luke's arrival at Bespin matte hallway.
maybe something else that could be added to the "sunset" shots is more building lights:
or different types of buildings (that still have the familiar shapes as the rest - more like the round cylindrical glass one [a UK building called The Gherkin], as opposed to the older stone ones below it):
maybe make some scenes to be NOT so pretty (smoggy, dirty, etc); maybe just make the buildings a little more "worn in (some muck, dirt, scratches or wear on them; maybe ads or different color panels ala Mobius just to give it a more "lived in" look and less sterile)":
Maybe not "greenish" like this, but the overall smoginess.
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DarkFather said:Anakin Vader.
I don't know. I like the idea of undergoing a complete recreation once consumated into the Sith Order.
I understand... just more of a thought as opposed to an idea to actually instill into the movie edits.
Still, Darth Vader (which literally means "Dark Father" in norwegian... or something) in A NEW HOPE was just a Shaw Brothers/James Bond style "bad student"/"chief henchman" who DID indeed kill Luke's father.
It was after Lawrence Kasden got involved (with EMPIRE) that the idea progressed to be more personal (I think that it could have been Kasden coming from a "western movie" point of view, in the sense that he may have thought of the American Civil War, where you had family members fighting against each other after taking opposing sides).
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Monroville, I was also thinking of sliding the window a bit to the right, but I thought that might upset a few folks even more than the tinting.
The background when Luke enters the city need something done to it, that matte painting behind him seems like it's supposed to be the edge of the city or something. I dunno what needs done, but that painting needs to go.
As for the Cloud City buildings looking aged, I don't really think that is necessary, this place is kinda of a resort/Casino type place and it would make sense for things to look pretty good. A slight bit of atmospheric haze would work, but not much IMO.
Sevb32 said:Monroville, I was also thinking of sliding the window a bit to the right, but I thought that might upset a few folks even more than the tinting.
Well, not so much the window as the room inside (or just remove the upper part on top of the building. The ceiling window above Leia is flat anyways)
The background when Luke enters the city need something done to it, that matte painting behind him seems like it's supposed to be the edge of the city or something. I dunno what needs done, but that painting needs to go.
I concur. Either add some moving clouds just to give it some life or show the X-wing on a landing platform or something.
As for the Cloud City buildings looking aged, I don't really think that is necessary, this place is kinda of a resort/Casino type place and it would make sense for things to look pretty good. A slight bit of atmospheric haze would work, but not much IMO.
Ehhh, not to sure if I agree there. Cloud City is a mining colony: either its going to look like Vegas or ... well... a mining colony. Granted, the "wealthy" may live on top, with the rest of the classes getting poorer as the levels go down (and the jobs get dirtier), so maybe the BOTTOM of Cloud City could have the jets of fire and pollution coming out and all - to contrast with the "pristine" top section.
I still think maybe something could be done to differentiate the buildings somewhat so they're not all windowless cylinders:
and here are some more images to peruse:
http://www.altanen.dk/Gallery-Main.htm
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Monroville said:The background when Luke enters the city need something done to it, that matte painting behind him seems like it's supposed to be the edge of the city or something. I dunno what needs done, but that painting needs to go.
I concur. Either add some moving clouds just to give it some life or show the X-wing on a landing platform or something.
I made this some days before:
If you remove the lights i said how of the hidden detail poped up( wall shapes)
-Angel
Looks good, not if we can only change that matte.
As for clouds moving, that's not always necessary in a 5 second or so shot. In real life sometimes the clouds move so slowly you can't hardly notice any movement at all in 5 seconds. Yes, at times clouds do move rather fast, but almost as often if you line up the edge a cloud with the edge of a telephone pole or building you get not discernable movement in a 5 sec period.
vaderios said:Monroville said:The background when Luke enters the city need something done to it, that matte painting behind him seems like it's supposed to be the edge of the city or something. I dunno what needs done, but that painting needs to go.
I concur. Either add some moving clouds just to give it some life or show the X-wing on a landing platform or something.
I made this some days before:
If you remove the lights i said how of the hidden detail poped up( wall shapes)
-Angel
Changing the topic somewhat, it would be cool to see Luke's X-Wing on the landing platform at the end of that corridor! what do you think?
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Enigmas said:Hey everyone, I've been following this thread after seeing Adywan's ANH:R and finding it to be superb.
I have to chime in here, though. When did Vader find out that "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star" was his son? Vader says in the beginning of the film (upon seeing Hoth's shield generator) "That's it, and I'm sure young Skywalker is with them!" So Vader evidently knew then.
I've answered this funny enough after discussing this at length before:
A unknown Force-strong Rebel pilot ("The Force is strong with this one. . .") who destroyed the largest weapon in the Imperial arsenal undoubtedly warranted an investigation probably by Vader himself. Between ANH and ESB, Vader attacks Yavan and a Rebel pilot gets captured, and its from him Vader learns the name Luke Skywalker. Given that name and its connection Vader's past, he would have followed clues that would lead him back to his former home Tatooine and probably to his half-brother Owen. Along with the more than coincendental appearance of Obi-Wan protecting Luke, Vader could easily work backwards and make the connection between Luke's age and the events of RotS and realise that Luke was the child Padme was carrying (not knowing she was carrying twins). Its completely reasonable that Vader would know of his son by that point, even before the Emperor calls him on it in Empire Strikes Back.
I hope this helps.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4093/building2q.jpg
Not perfect, but I erased the part on Leia's building above.
Sevb32 said:http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4093/building2q.jpg
Not perfect, but I erased the part on Leia's building above.
It looks correct now! Still the whole building is a bit weird. Is like it dont match with the rest of the architecture.
nice job Sevb
-Angel
I've always hated that bit on top well done
ADY you better be takin' note bud LOL!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
ladyferry said:Changing the topic somewhat, it would be cool to see Luke's X-Wing on the landing platform at the end of that corridor! what do you think?
Its funny that because i tried so many times to make it but the perspective of this shot always is against me..
plus if you take the focal points the holizon is more up and these buildings are wrong placed.
-Angel
Monroville said:Ehhh, not to sure if I agree there. Cloud City is a mining colony: either its going to look like Vegas or ... well... a mining colony. Granted, the "wealthy" may live on top, with the rest of the classes getting poorer as the levels go down (and the jobs get dirtier), so maybe the BOTTOM of Cloud City could have the jets of fire and pollution coming out and all - to contrast with the "pristine" top section.
It's a gas mine, though, so it's not likely to get as dirty as an ore mine.
In any case, I think it's important that the upper levels be kept as squeaky clean as possible. Themeatically, the whole point of the place is that everything is bright and sunny on the surface, but dark and ugly underneath once we get to know it better. Showing off the unpleasant side of it too early works against what the film is trying to do, I think.
I think the problem with Leia's window is that it doesn't mesh with how windows actually look in full daylight. In general you'd see a certian amount of reflection in the window... especially so in the case of Leia's window since it is a long curved surface. If the scene was at night ,then full "see through" version would be more approriate.
as always sorry for the crudity of the image but here it is!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Nice one, BarBar.
Monroville said:
maybe make some scenes to be NOT so pretty (smoggy, dirty, etc); maybe just make the buildings a little more "worn in (some muck, dirt, scratches or wear on them; maybe ads or different color panels ala Mobius just to give it a more "lived in" look and less sterile)":
Maybe not "greenish" like this, but the overall smoginess.
Those would make lovely elements for the Courscant industrial area, Geonosis droid foundaries and even a Clone War battlezone but it doesn't really fit in the Cloud City design ethic (the City seems to have been built all in one go and serve one purpose which doesn't seem to require this sort of gritty environment, even the Carbon Freezing Chamber which is the nearest we see to heavy industrial has a certain design aesthetic panache to it).
Maybe you should plop them down in the Prequel Redux Thread too.