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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 288

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doubleofive said:
Jedi Dark Knight said:

I was checking the uploaded bits found in the first page, and maybe this has been mentioned before but it appears the wampa scene has been deleted altogether. Now I don't care much about the furball but the important revelation of Luke "relaxing into the force" to force-pull the lightsaber to show how intuitively he is learning to use the Force is lost, and also more important than anything is the "Luke, you must go to the Dagobah system"....without this order you never know why would Luke go separate ways than the rest of the alliance...it creates a plot-hole

That particular clip was a selection of changed shots, not a full segment.  No worries.  He's just cutting the Special Edition Wampa parts.

 

 Oh....Ok.....sorry if I came off old-news-y (is that a word?) but I'm still catching up...thanx 005.

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OH EM GEE ZEE I'm so friggin excited for this fanedit!!!!!!!!!!

 

(I just had to get that off my chest.)

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Just looking over the screen caps on page 1... I can't believe how muted the colours of Cloud City are in the 2004 release. The only thing more amazing is that Ady was able to make them vibrant again.

By the way, I skipped about 1/4 of the thread while I was catching up, so I may have missed this. Was the issue of getting the Emperor's hologram to say "Luke Skywalker" instead of "young Skywalker" ever solved? I remember Ady had wanted to make the change but was unable to get an audio sample of McDiarmid saying "Luke."

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Looking back at the screengrabs, it looks like a couple more have been put up since the last time I checked them.  Nice removal of Mark's hand from within his jacket on the last pic.  Subtle, but an improvement none-the-less.

I also don't remember if anything official was said about the Emperor and the "Luke..." line.  Anyone know?

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Was it Ady who wanted this change?  I seem to remember this discussion come up for Darth Editous edit.  I could be totally wrong. 

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adywan said:

Just a quick update....

I've fixed Vader's helmet wobble on the vane. It was a real pain to do and a few sleepless nights

Sweet! It sounded like most were for this fix. Glad it worked out. Sorry it was a PITA.

 

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corellian77 said:

By the way, I skipped about 1/4 of the thread while I was catching up, so I may have missed this. Was the issue of getting the Emperor's hologram to say "Luke Skywalker" instead of "young Skywalker" ever solved? I remember Ady had wanted to make the change but was unable to get an audio sample of McDiarmid saying "Luke."

McDiarmid says Luke a few times on the Musical Journey DVD, but I think Ady said he found nothing that sounded good.

But considering he hasn't gotten to editing the sound yet, you never know.

 

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DarthRayne said:

Why would he prefer using Luke's name?

The goal is to modify the 2004 Ian McDiarmond to say exactly what the 1980 Clive Revill did.  The only element missing is an appropriate "Luke" for the "we have a new enemy" part.

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What if he simply called Luke "Skywalker" ?  Thats really all he refers to him as in the rest of the OT.  Just cut the "young" and call it close enough?

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adywan said:

You have almost got it word for word with what i will be doing with that scene. The only thing really different is this line:
-2004: We have a new enemy, (camera front view of Emperor) the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. (camera front view of Vader from the shoulders up) I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker. (camera front view of Emperor)

I will be changing this line to just "young Skywalker". I would have preferred it to be "Luke Skywalker" but no where in the saga does the Emperor say "Luke"

 

Found it from back in Febuary.  In order to change "We have a new enemy, the young rebel that destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" (gracious is Ian wordy!) to "We have a new enemy: Luke Skywalker", Ady takes the "young" from rebel, and combines it with Skywalker from "Anakin Skywalker", almost completely undoing the terrible choice of Anakin not recognizing that he could have kids at all even though he's been calling him "Skywalker" all movie.

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doubleofive said:

almost completely undoing the terrible choice of Anakin not recognizing that he could have kids at all even though he's been calling him "Skywalker" all movie.

Yeah, but to me "Skywalker" is the Star Wars equivalent to "Jones" or "Smith" in the US.  Who knows how many Skywalkers are running around in that universe? 

Of course "hiding" Luke away from Vader by giving him to Vader's step-brother and keeping the "Skywalker" name wasn't too smart in the beginning, but what're you going to do? :)

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That makes sense, we also have the line "The Rebel who destroyed the Death Star" to key us in that it is Luke, so I can live either way.  Honestly that was never as big an issue for me as the helmet wobble :P

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Savage said:
doubleofive said:

almost completely undoing the terrible choice of Anakin not recognizing that he could have kids at all even though he's been calling him "Skywalker" all movie.

Yeah, but to me "Skywalker" is the Star Wars equivalent to "Jones" or "Smith" in the US.  Who knows how many Skywalkers are running around in that universe? 

Of course "hiding" Luke away from Vader by giving him to Vader's step-brother and keeping the "Skywalker" name wasn't too smart in the beginning, but what're you going to do? :)

I always had the idea that Skywalker was a pretty uncommon name in that universe, maybe because of the connotation of the "one that will bring balance to the Force", imagine if someone said "a Smith will bring balance to this country(US)" the search would be mute, but if you are going with a pretty uncommon last name is sort of like less candidates to fullfill that prophecy (which by the way the prophecy was known only to Jedi and Sith)

 

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"Now the Jedi are all but extinct" - Obi-Wan Kenobi, ANH

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Jedi Dark Knight said:

I always had the idea that Skywalker was a pretty uncommon name in that universe, maybe because of the connotation of the "one that will bring balance to the Force", imagine if someone said "a Smith will bring balance to this country(US)" the search would be mute, but if you are going with a pretty uncommon last name is sort of like less candidates to fullfill that prophecy (which by the way the prophecy was known only to Jedi and Sith)

By that same token, it would be more difficult to track down the individual if it was indeed a common name.  If the prophecy spelled out the name explicitly, the powers-that-be would just be on the lookout for that one person.  Regardless, prophecies by nature are vague and wouldn't name names in the first place. 

But this is all hypothetical at best, and just for our own personal edification in knowing Ben's and Vader's motives (and not necessarily Lucas's limitations - which are great in number). :)

 

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Savage said:

Of course "hiding" Luke away from Vader by giving him to Vader's step-brother and keeping the "Skywalker" name wasn't too smart in the beginning, but what're you going to do? :)

Hide in plain sight.

Vader (thinking): "Obi-Wan brought a kid named Skywalker to live with a guy I found out later was my step-brother on the very same planet I grew up on?  That's too much of a coincidence...gotta be a bullshit rumor."

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Hey everyone, I've been following this thread after seeing Adywan's ANH:R and finding it to be superb.

 

I have to chime in here, though. When did Vader find out that "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star" was his son? Vader says in the beginning of the film (upon seeing Hoth's shield generator) "That's it, and I'm sure young Skywalker is with them!" So Vader evidently knew then.

The question for me here is whether the Emporor knew at that time, and if Vader was playing dumb with him when he said "How is that possible?" in the 2004 edition. Can someone help me out? What is the dialogue looking like for Adywan's edition?

 

Thanks.

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It's hard to know for sure how Lucas intended this. Did he mean for Vader to play dumb, or did he just plain forget about Vader's earlier line about Skywalker? I'm gonna give the man the benefit of a doubt, though, and say he intended for Vader to play dumb. Adywan's edit will put this to rest though.

I think there exists an old comic from way back in the day depicting how Vader got Luke's name froma  captured rebel pilot a few months after the Death Star was destroyed.  Hence his "obsession" to track down Luke, which is described in the ESB opening crawl.

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wat is said in the 2004 dvd is actually the original line that is said in the novel. btw, there's a graphic novell called vaders quest which leads him to find luke and knows from that point on he's "skywalker" vader's obsession is totally based on making his son join them to kill the emperor. its been wat he's wanted since episode III. plus its the sith nature.

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My impression with post-RotS Lucas comments is that Vader has no idea that Luke is his son, until the Emperor tells him in the asteroid field.  But, hey, this is from the guy who is on record as saying the dark side is more powerful than the light, and that Han would wait for Greedo to shoot before firing himself. 8-l

This does weaken Vader's character immensely, so I choose the story that Vader has known for quite some time (how long is unknown), and is following his own agenda regarding Luke behind the Emperor's back.  Vader gets a thoughtful, ruthless quality that is not there if he is actually unaware of Luke's origin.

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Ok Savage, I just don't necessarily want an entire reversion to the old dialogue.

I guess I just like the idea of the Emperor thinking he is imparting new and shocking knowlege to Vader in the astriod belt, while Vader himself was already aware of the fact Luke was his son, and is scheming to recruit Luke to join up and overthrow the Emperor.

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Vader was playing dumb to the Emperor, that's always what I have thought.

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Sluggo said:
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Darth Vader really owes Ady a beer for fixing his wobbly helmet.

Vader drinks Sithweiser's!

 

This may have been answered but is Bobba voice staying the same as it originally did or is it staying the same as the 04 version?

I thought he would drink a pint of John Sith's.

 

 

 He has been known to down a Guinness from time to time.

So wrong but oh so funny.