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ben_danger said:

i really liked that shot too, except that i think they were walking a bit slower than they appeared to be in the shot before. ironically this is probably one of my favourite SE additions, yet they took it out in the 2004 edition!:P the edition of the ROTJ shuttle in ESB brought them together a bit more for me.

this has lead me to remember captain needa's shuttle. are you going to replace the old boxlike shuttle that we see for a few seconds with the ROTJ one?


That shot is in the 2004 editions. But it will be gone in mine, i'm afraid. The are walking a lot slower than the previous shot, as you mentioned. It just doesn't fit in with the original shuttle line and music and becomes a redundant shot

I am hoping to replace Needa's shuttle with the Lambada class shuttle

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I don't get it, I never thought of that box like thing as Needa's shuttle because immediately shows him being choked to death after it leaves that Star Destroyer underbelly, nothing to indicate any passage of time between shots. Please explain to me how that's supposed to be his shuttle when it immediately shows him aboard and choking?


I just watched that shot again and I for the life of me don't see that they are walking slower in the SE shot. Even if so, nothing that can't be sped up slightly without looking bad.
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Here's something I want to ask you guys, and please put some thought into it before you answer it. If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.
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But that's the whole debate, isn't it? Would we be so hot to remove Jabba from ANH if he was there in '77? If Greedo had gotten off a shot originally would we now complain that Han should have shot first?

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Sevb32 said:

Here's something I want to ask you guys, and please put some thought into it before you answer it. If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.


Maybe we should just alter Vader's line...

"Alert my DEATH STAR to prepare for my arrival."

Seriously I wouldn't mind seeing what you describe, but it's not really necessary.
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Ziz said:

Would we be so hot to remove Jabba from ANH if he was there in '77?

I sometimes wish we had pristine footage of the scenes with Declan Mulholland. (now there's a figure they need to make!...though I'm sure George would like us all to forget Declan's scene even exists.) The thing I find odd about that whole thing is, if they were planning to superimpose a creature over him, why did they have him dressed up in crazy pirate gear? He could've done the scene in a t-shirt and jeans. Or were they just superimposing a different head on him? I know the Jabba in the comic was more humanoid, too.

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Sevb32 said:

Here's something I want to ask you guys, and please put some thought into it before you answer it. If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.


If it slowed down the exciting escape as much as it does now, I'd still be all about getting rid of it. It's completely pointless. We know that Vader's shuttle came and took him to his Star Destroyer without showing him entering in it, flying it away from Bespin, landing it, and getting out.

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Lucas has SAID in the past that some of the original Jabba designs were of a furry creature, much like Chewy.

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bkev said:

Lucas has SAID in the past that some of the original Jabba designs were of a furry creature, much like Chewy.


Lucas says a lot of things bkev. Most of them lies. ;-P

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I don't get it, I never thought of that box like thing as Needa's shuttle because immediately shows him being choked to death after it leaves that Star Destroyer underbelly, nothing to indicate any passage of time between shots. Please explain to me how that's supposed to be his shuttle when it immediately shows him aboard and choking?


This is no different than watching a movie or TV show where two shots of the same character are separated with a brief establishing shot of a new environment, thus implying that time has passed and the character has now travelled to a new location.

Check out the following clip from Seinfeld on YouTube here -- at the 3:30 mark, Jerry's in the coffee shop, then we get an establishing shot of his apartment building, followed by Jerry in the building talking to Newman. The passage of time is implied here by the establishing shot, just as the shuttle shot in ESB implies Needa leaving one Star Destroyer and boarding the other.

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It may be no different than that, but was that the true intention of the scene? Because I can't name another place in SW they do that, if it had a wipe involced I might be more inclined to believe it.
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bkev said:

Lucas has SAID in the past that some of the original Jabba designs were of a furry creature, much like Chewy.


Lucas says a lot of things bkev. Most of them lies. ;-P



This is no Lucas lie. There were storyboard like sketches from the ANH timeframe that show a creature matted over the original actor, this is NOT something Lucas cooked up in the 90s digital era, he said it back during the documentary "From SW to Jedi :Making of a Saga" (1983) and the said sketch was also shown on that special.
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Man, I just recently rewatched my copy of from Star Wars to Jedi... such memories. I used to watch that thing all the time, back even before we had the films on tape.
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doubleofive said:

Sevb32 said:

Here's something I want to ask you guys, and please put some thought into it before you answer it. If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.


If it slowed down the exciting escape as much as it does now, I'd still be all about getting rid of it. It's completely pointless. We know that Vader's shuttle came and took him to his Star Destroyer without showing him entering in it, flying it away from Bespin, landing it, and getting out.


I never saw the escape as all that exciting anyway, nor did it need to be, they had already escaped Bespin with TIE's on their tail. I like the following of Vader, especially being he's a main character. If you wanna chop off scenes because of their slowness, there are other scenes I could see hacked, but they seem to have a built in immunity to criticism because they were there from the beginning, and these Vader's shuttle scenes would have had a built in immunity from being cut if they were there since 1980. I assure you, most fans would complain if they were cut (if that were the case), pacing or not, you could make that argument about other scenes too. Besides, the shuttle scenes only lasted few seconds.
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Man, I just recently rewatched my copy of from Star Wars to Jedi... such memories. I used to watch that thing all the time, back even before we had the films on tape.

I got my copy around the time of the SE releases via an order form on a cereal box. Didn't know it existed before then. I really love that special. :)

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There is something you can do, Sevb32 if you are not entirely satisfied...You OWN fanedit. This is still an alternative to the original films, not a definitive version.

I don't mean to sound like a dick but some people seem to be getting a little too excited in my mind. We're in a forum, not a debate.

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I wish I still had the copy of From Star Wars to Jedi I recorded from TV - if I remember correctly, it ran a lot longer than the version that eventually appeared on videotape...! (mind you, that might have been because of the ads, but I'm sure there were bits in the show that weren't on video)

As for the new debate on how much of Vader to show on Bespin after the fight, why show that much at all...the end of the movie is more about Luke and his failure to listen to his teachers and learning a much bigger truth than he wanted. It's about his struggle to remain alive rather than sticking in a slightly jarring extra bit of Vader walking to his shuttle. Sticking more Vader in is more about Lucas and his sudden wish to make Anakin Skywalker the focus of a story which did set out as 'The Adventures of Luke Skywalker' - at least according to the novel. Despite the shortness of the clip, it does detract from Luke's plight...to me in any case.

I'm all for adding bits, chopping and/or retaining bits as long as there is a purpose for them. I'm sure Ady will know what to remove or retain and will, no doubt, ask the many people with ideas on here when he needs them...Lucas' desire to suddenly turn Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader into the focus of the story probably did a lot to cause the problems of the prequel trilogy. Let's not do it with the Revisited one!

Of course, if I have got the wrong end of the stick - as can be the case when you're only reading a bit of the thread! - then feel free to correct me.
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corellian77 said:

Sevb32 said:

I don't get it, I never thought of that box like thing as Needa's shuttle because immediately shows him being choked to death after it leaves that Star Destroyer underbelly, nothing to indicate any passage of time between shots. Please explain to me how that's supposed to be his shuttle when it immediately shows him aboard and choking?


This is no different than watching a movie or TV show where two shots of the same character are separated with a brief establishing shot of a new environment, thus implying that time has passed and the character has now travelled to a new location.

Check out the following clip from Seinfeld on YouTube here -- at the 3:30 mark, Jerry's in the coffee shop, then we get an establishing shot of his apartment building, followed by Jerry in the building talking to Newman. The passage of time is implied here by the establishing shot, just as the shuttle shot in ESB implies Needa leaving one Star Destroyer and boarding the other.




Also, this line kind of implies he's taking a shuttle



COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER: Captain, Lord Vader demands an update on the
pursuit.

NEEDA:Get a shuttle ready. I shall assume full
responsibility for losing them, and apologize to Lord Vader.
Meanwhile, continue to scan the area.

COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER: Yes, Captain Needa.


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I never saw the escape as all that exciting anyway, nor did it need to be, they had already escaped Bespin with TIE's on their tail. I like the following of Vader, especially being he's a main character. If you wanna chop off scenes because of their slowness, there are other scenes I could see hacked, but they seem to have a built in immunity to criticism because they were there from the beginning, and these Vader's shuttle scenes would have had a built in immunity from being cut if they were there since 1980. I assure you, most fans would complain if they were cut (if that were the case), pacing or not, you could make that argument about other scenes too. Besides, the shuttle scenes only lasted few seconds.


You sir, are talking from your backside. Your opinion I know, but please, that is utter tosh!



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Johnny Ringo said:

There is something you can do, Sevb32 if you are not entirely satisfied...You OWN fanedit. This is still an alternative to the original films, not a definitive version.

I don't mean to sound like a dick but some people seem to be getting a little too excited in my mind. We're in a forum, not a debate.

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I knew I'd get the "do your own fanedit" thing if I dared comment on anything I wanted with the edit. I probably would if I had hundreds to spare on the right software, which I don't.
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HotRod said:

corellian77 said:

Sevb32 said:

I don't get it, I never thought of that box like thing as Needa's shuttle because immediately shows him being choked to death after it leaves that Star Destroyer underbelly, nothing to indicate any passage of time between shots. Please explain to me how that's supposed to be his shuttle when it immediately shows him aboard and choking?


This is no different than watching a movie or TV show where two shots of the same character are separated with a brief establishing shot of a new environment, thus implying that time has passed and the character has now travelled to a new location.

Check out the following clip from Seinfeld on YouTube here -- at the 3:30 mark, Jerry's in the coffee shop, then we get an establishing shot of his apartment building, followed by Jerry in the building talking to Newman. The passage of time is implied here by the establishing shot, just as the shuttle shot in ESB implies Needa leaving one Star Destroyer and boarding the other.




Also, this line kind of implies he's taking a shuttle



COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER: Captain, Lord Vader demands an update on the
pursuit.

NEEDA:Get a shuttle ready. I shall assume full
responsibility for losing them, and apologize to Lord Vader.
Meanwhile, continue to scan the area.

COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER: Yes, Captain Needa.


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I never saw the escape as all that exciting anyway, nor did it need to be, they had already escaped Bespin with TIE's on their tail. I like the following of Vader, especially being he's a main character. If you wanna chop off scenes because of their slowness, there are other scenes I could see hacked, but they seem to have a built in immunity to criticism because they were there from the beginning, and these Vader's shuttle scenes would have had a built in immunity from being cut if they were there since 1980. I assure you, most fans would complain if they were cut (if that were the case), pacing or not, you could make that argument about other scenes too. Besides, the shuttle scenes only lasted few seconds.


You sir, are talking from your backside. Your opinion I know, but please, that is utter tosh!






Sure Needa says get a shuttle ready, but instead of showing the shuttle leaving, wouldn't they show it going up into the underbelly of the Executer. Not just first leaving? And even if this is the case, why do you feel the need to change it? Simply because you don't like the design of the shuttle? You assume all imperials use the the same type shuttle? Change it because you can?

The fact that the new Vader shuttle sequences all combined last less than 20 seconds. Oh the tedious slowness! Some here carry on like they last 5 or 10 minutes.

Were only in a debate if I say something, if anyone else says anything, it's for some reason OK.

Obviously Ady, can do whatever the hell he wants, but all I am suggesting is that he leaves these in, I am not arguing about the "Bring My Shuttle" line, I want it back, but it would be nice to keep any shots of the cloud city environment if at all possible. Crop that shuttle on the landing platform just out of frame so the old line works.
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Sure Needa says get a shuttle ready, but instead of showing the shuttle leaving, wouldn't they show it going up into the underbelly of the Executer. Not just first leaving? And even if this is the case, why do you feel the need to change it? Simply because you don't like the design of the shuttle? You assume all imperials use the the same type shuttle? Change it because you can?


No, because the Lambda class shuttle became the ship that the imperial use from ROTJ onwards (including the SE ESB)> the Lambda makes more sense and visually it represents the imperial shuttle, not the shuttle we see in ESB. A Lambda style shuttle can even be seen in ROTS so, to me, this point to the fact that it is the shuttle the imperials use. To me that shuttle in ESB looks like Vaders TIE with the wings facing outwards instead of inwards. As for why we see it coming from the stardestroyer and not going into the underbelly of the Executor well thats because this shot works perfectly, showing the audience both its original location and its destination. We know that its Needa in the shuttle because it comes from the stardestroyer. If we just saw it entering the underbelly then that visual marker is lost.

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The fact that the new Vader shuttle sequences all combined last less than 20 seconds. Oh the tedious slowness! Some here carry on like they last 5 or 10 minutes.

I don't think you get what everyone is on about and why the new sequences don't fit. Watch the pre-SE version of the escape from Bespin and then watch the SE version. Look how those new additions completely cut the pace of that sequence. We don't need any visual explanation that Vader gets in his shuttle and flies to his stardestroyer. The original "bring my shuttle" line perfectly explained this. This became one of the big problems with the PT. There were conversations and scenes that tried to explain things when it wasn't needed and they just became boring.

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Were only in a debate if I say something, if anyone else says anything, it's for some reason OK.

thats not strictly true. The main reason people are getting angry towards your suggestions is that, after i have explained in detail (sometimes recently NUMEROUS amounts of times) why i will be taking out the shots you personally like you still push and push it. Making suggestions is one thing but you then seem to campaign for your suggestion to be taken notice of even after i have said the reasons why i wouldn't be including it . You then make remarks like this:
Sevb32 said:

If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.

Well to answer than then YES i would still remove them, the same way i edited the Ben hut scene in ANH and the same way i'll be doing a lot of editing when i get round to ROTJ. Some people recently seem to be turning this into a "you all hate the SE's so thats why you want all the changes gone" type of argument. This isn't the case. I like the SE's but not all the additions worked at all. Seeing the Wampa was great after all the years of not really seeing him but it also took away the mystery of that creature so i want to return that scene to having that mystery so no more wampa. I love the fly-through with the pod car in cloud city because it does show some of the scale of the city and i feel that it brings us into the following shot nicely. The Sarlaac i like although it does look like the flower from Little shop of horrors, but the musical number is horrendous so i'll be getting rid of that, and Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw, well don't get me started on that....

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Obviously Ady, can do whatever the hell he wants, but all I am suggesting is that he leaves these in, I am not arguing about the "Bring My Shuttle" line, I want it back, but it would be nice to keep any shots of the cloud city environment if at all possible. Crop that shuttle on the landing platform just out of frame so the old line works.

Well unfortunately it still doesn't work. The original line only exists in stereo format with the music clearly heard. The music was changed for the SE so the new line wouldn't fit so returning it to the original scene is the only way to go, plus we really don't need that extra shot of Vader anyway. Never have and never will.

Like i said check the original first and then look at the SE. The original works & flows together so much better while the SE just becomes a series of clips. All the shuttle shots are going and that is my last word on the subject.

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