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Ripplin said:

I've just looked at the comparisons on the first page and the difference is unreal! (and this is just the first pass, even!) Those shots in the hangar are especially shocking! I'm using a lot of exclamation marks!


You said it. I always knew the colors were screwed up on Empire, but those pics show just how bad it really is. I can't wait to see a shot with Vader's pink saber restored to its' correct red color. :)
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You have to remember that, as has already been stated, this is just the first colour pass. What depresses me is that people seem to have forgotten what star wars actually looked like before the horrible 2004 DVDs. You say i removed too much blue from the sky well it is so oversaturated in the 2004 set that it needed dropping back. non of this colour correction is guess work. I'm working with an overlay of the GOUT dvd for colour matching. Some shots will be impossible to restore back to their original colour so for those i have to create a natural looking balance with previous shots but at the same time sticking as close as possible to its original pre-2004 look.

Here's a comparison shot of the snowspeeder scene. As you can see my colour correction is pretty close so far to what ESB originally looked like before the blue tinting. The sky is the same intensity with just very slight minor tweaks needed of the blue hue:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3547/speedercomparisonxv3.jpg

and here's another shot showing just how bad the 2004 DVD's colour really is:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7470/snowrk1.jpg

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While the initial colour pass does look very similar to the GOUT, I would probably be in favour of at least trying it with the bluer sky. After all, this isn't an OT restoration, but a revisiting. It may turn out to look lousy, but I'd like to see the frame with the Revisited cockpit and 2004 (or otherwise bluened) sky so as to be sure.

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Adywan,

Don't forget that there is a genaration gap that sometimes divides us here. I'm not saying that every 20 something and younger love the over sat colors, or that all 30, 40 and up "old" SW fans remember and prefer the GOUT colors....far from it. But I would bet that as a general rule that's probably close.

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Here's a weird thing i've been noticing while doing the colour correction. The Blue tint that the 2004 DVD's have seems to be worse on the GOUT in some scenes, especially the snow battle. Some shots the colouring actually looks better on the 2004 DVD's. No colour correction was done to any of the images here:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7862/gouttestva1.jpg
To me the 2004 shot looks more natural here
The gout does have its colour problems so a lot of time i'm going to have to adjust the colour to make it look natural and match from shot to shot. I want the snow & ice to look natural and not an over blue mess as it is on the DVD's but not as grey as it does in a lot of shots on the GOUT. I'm thinking about digging out my old pre-THX video tapes to see what the colour is like on those

As for the skys the 2004 DVD's are so oversaturated that the sky colouring is totally un-natural, same thing that happened in ANH.

After doing ANH and now ESB i'm even more convinced that the blue tint was added to hide the restoration problems where some scenes are devoid of almost all colouring. Look at this shot on the Executor bridge. All colouring apart from blue is missing. No skin tones and no red lights anywhere can be seen on the 2004 DVD shot:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1794/bridgebd1.jpg

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Colour correction results looking pretty good. A few technical questions out of curiosity:

What software are you using for the colour correction?
Does the software work in YUV or RGB colourspace?
Are you making adjustments "by eye", or comparing histograms from the GOUT?
Are adjustments applied to frames as a whole, or are you doing any masking/rotoscoping to apply changes to select areas only?

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Moth3r said:

Colour correction results looking pretty good. A few technical questions out of curiosity:

What software are you using for the colour correction?
Does the software work in YUV or RGB colourspace?
Are you making adjustments "by eye", or comparing histograms from the GOUT?
Are adjustments applied to frames as a whole, or are you doing any masking/rotoscoping to apply changes to select areas only?


I apply a basic first pass colour correction. This isn't actually just a global colour fix though. each shot has individual settings so i have to go through it shot-by-shot and match each one the best possible. I use numerous colour filters in Adobe After effects (the hue/sat filter is one of the main ones because it lets you tweak individual colours without affecting others around it). All the correction is done by eye on a calibrated monitor. Once the first pass is finished then i have to move onto the next stage which involves masking out particular areas (sometimes this could be as many as 30+ layers if ANH is anything to go by) and applying more colour correction to each layer. Not an easy task by any means but it gives IMHO some great results and possibly the only way to recover missing colour elements (like the colours on the bridge above)in the 2004 DVD's

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adywan said:

What depresses me is that people seem to have forgotten what star wars actually looked like before the horrible 2004 DVDs.


ben_danger said:

do you think the hoth battle would be more intense in a snow storm?


apologies if my responses seem to be urging you to "change" star wars, and if they do seem too crazy. i must admit i wish i could go back in time to when i had just my uncle's trilogy on VHS (long before the prequels) when it all felt so much more different.

the desaturated colours i must admit fit the darker feel of ESB. the blues they added looked great back in the 90s, but now look almost fadish to me. the grey imperial tones do fit the "machine" look that the empire embodies.

forgive me for asking but what exactly does GOUT stand for? i know what it is, just cant place the initials.:P
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I just thought I would add in as a suggestion on the whole "The Jedi Master who instructed me," versus Qui-Gon stuff. Instead of having to mess with whole sections of TPM just to fix that Adywan, maybe you could change the line to, "A Jedi Master who instructed me,"?

Not a perfect solution that I like that much, but just a suggestion to save you some time later.

And to end this on a positive note, thanks for your hard work on ANH revisited.
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ben_danger said:

forgive me for asking but what exactly does GOUT stand for? i know what it is, just cant place the initials.:P


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I figured it out by poking around the Theatrical vs SE threads around here.

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ben_danger said:

adywan said:

What depresses me is that people seem to have forgotten what star wars actually looked like before the horrible 2004 DVDs.

apologies if my responses seem to be urging you to "change" star wars, and if they do seem too crazy. i must admit i wish i could go back in time to when i had just my uncle's trilogy on VHS (long before the prequels) when it all felt so much more different.


No, my comment wasn't directed at your idea. Actually it was a good one, i just can't see how i would pull something like that off.

What i meant is that some people have got so use to the oversaturated colouring & tinting of the DVDs that the true natural looking colouring of the originals have become forgotten

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Is there a way to retain Vader's SE distant side view walk to his landing platform for his shuttle? I know the "Bring my shuttle." will be brought back so the Shuttle will have to be removed because it can't already be there, but it would be nice to keep the scenery while removing the shuttle.
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THis shot below has bothered me for years, I hope it can be blended better, and also later in the shot, when the guy walks by (McQuarrie I believe, not shown in this still), the blue spill is pretty bad on his head/body as he walks past.

http://galactic-voyage.com/Coppermine/albums/Movies/Hi-Res/Episode%20V%20The%20Empire%20Strikes%20Back/tesb1080i_0073.png
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Is there a way to retain Vader's SE distant side view walk to his landing platform for his shuttle? I know the "Bring my shuttle." will be brought back so the Shuttle will have to be removed because it can't already be there, but it would be nice to keep the scenery while removing the shuttle.

I'm afraid that shot has to go, although thats one of the SE additions that i liked, but with the original line back in it just won't fit in.
Sevb32 said:

THis shot below has bothered me for years, I hope it can be blended better, and also later in the shot, when the guy walks by (McQuarrie I believe, not shown in this still), the blue spill is pretty bad on his head/body as he walks past.


http://galactic-voyage.com/Coppermine/albums/Movies/Hi-Res/Episode%20V%20The%20Empire%20Strikes%20Back/tesb1080i_0073.png

Yeh thats one shot i'm hoping to do something with to make it look less like a painting

EDIT: i just noticed what number post this is. Hope it don't jinx me & the edit. lol

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adywan said:

After doing ANH and now ESB i'm even more convinced that the blue tint was added to hide the restoration problems where some scenes are devoid of almost all colouring. Look at this shot on the Executor bridge. All colouring apart from blue is missing. No skin tones and no red lights anywhere can be seen on the 2004 DVD shot.


I remember hearing about Robert A. Harris' restoration of "Vertigo," where some scenes' color information had been lost entirely, so using other prints as a guide, he colorized the negative to as close as was humanly possible recreate the original colors. Looks like Lowry decided to go the less-intensive route on similar shots in the OT.
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Sevb32 said:

Is there a way to retain Vader's SE distant side view walk to his landing platform for his shuttle? I know the "Bring my shuttle." will be brought back so the Shuttle will have to be removed because it can't already be there, but it would be nice to keep the scenery while removing the shuttle.

I'm afraid that shot has to go, although thats one of the SE additions that i liked, but with the original line back in it just won't fit in.

How about zooming in on that shot just until the shuttle is out of frame? Like you did in some of those ANH shots, and they looked really good!
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Mielr said:

doubleofive said:


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1598/r2d2transorigxo1.jpg

Is that a car cassette deck on the left?!


I watched ESB:SE with some friends the other day on a HD projector at a friends house. I paused the disc here and got a big laugh from the group. Just when you think you know these movies inside and out, something like this pops up.
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Yeah, it's funny how that works sometimes. They do the prequels so many years later and the technology of the past suddenly looks way in advance of the stuff that will eventually replace it. :p Same with Star Trek: TOS and Enterprise. They throw in some old school touches, but if you make an entire series look the same as it did in the 60's, it couldn't really be taken seriously. Regarding things like the cassette deck, they'd say "oh, those ships are so old and worn, the panels that covered that stuff fell off long ago." ;)

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No different than the first saber made of graflex camera bar. SW is full of things (props) with elements used in real life, including the prequels.
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I guess Stacey's ship was newer - it had a CD player.

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Here's what I mean at the link below about cropping out the shuttle, this is low quality obviously, but I could not find a higher res still to use. Ady had great success cropping close shots in ANH revisited without losing resolution, it would be nice if he would do this and keep some of the cloud city imagery while keeping continuity with the returning "Bring my Shuttle" line.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7553/noshuttlews7.jpg
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i really liked that shot too, except that i think they were walking a bit slower than they appeared to be in the shot before. ironically this is probably one of my favourite SE additions, yet they took it out in the 2004 edition!:P the edition of the ROTJ shuttle in ESB brought them together a bit more for me.

this has lead me to remember captain needa's shuttle. are you going to replace the old boxlike shuttle that we see for a few seconds with the ROTJ one?