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Deckard2, I've just had to amend a couple of things that I missed out in my last post after you replied.  I'm quite satisfied that this explanation reads okay now.  Whether it works for anyone else is another matter.  :)

Don't worry about what the book said though, as the onscreen action makes it look like it is definately General Veers AT-AT that destroys the Generator.

 

As far as Han and Luke potentially putting themselves in danger's way, I guess they 'volunteered' to do it, just as they continued to do in 'JEDI'.  Who better to handle any potential threats that were out there?

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adywan said:
vaderios said:

The moon idea is good. It adds a character

Also i had an idea:

When the AT-AT fell wee see the rebel soldiers running and one say C'mon!

It will be cool if after the crash some snowtroopers had escaped of the fallen ATAT and heading towards to the rebels.

Just a brief scene. Also the snow speeder to shoot one of them just before it destroy the AT. Just like AOTC when the geonosian fighters killed a clone trooper...

-Angel

i love that idea . not sure how i would go about filming it though. unless anyone knows people who have snowtrooper costumes that can film them against white backgrounds. i have some ideas where added troopers would fit so getting the angles worked out is pretty easy.

 

Deckard2, another thing is this possibility above, which doesn't conflict with my description, as General Veers orders the debarking of snowtroopers AFTER this scene.  The AT-AT that Luke blows up would have NO snowtroopers inside it though, as they were already ordered to debark earlier, approx. 2.5 minutes BEFORE Luke brings down that AT-AT.  (and had already successfully breached the Base by this time, it seems)

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Deckard2 said:

So the Empire's main attack is striking the base from the North and the escaping rebels are located on the South side of the base. The Shield generator and Command center are both located on the North side.

 

I'm not sure that's correct, but I've just realised I've gotten something confused in my earlier reply to you -

It's a little unclear, but it seems that the area where the last Rebel troop carrier leaves from (we can make out it already has 2 accompanying X-Wing escorts)before Luke gets into his X-Wing, is also referred to as being somewhere at the NORTH side....because we initially hear Leia telling the assembled X-Wing Fighter Pilots that "All troop carriers will assemble at the north entrance", before she then goes on to tell them that there will only be 2 fighter escorts per ship, and that they will have to stay very close to them because the Energy Shield can only be opened for a short time.  (They are all standing near some X-Wings somewhere inside the Base during this discussion, and we can also see the Millennium Falcon and a snowspeeder in this same area...and I presume that all X-Wings in this area are meant to start grouping nearer to the area where the 'transports' are located at, from this point onwards). 

A bit later on, when it's announced that the first 'transport' is successfully away, we see Luke and some other Snowspeeder Pilots prepare to meet the AT-AT's, and can see more X-Wings in their departure area at this point.  (It's not known how many X-Wings are scattered throughout the expansive Base)  Presumably there are also OTHER unseen 'transports' leaving during the ensuing battle (accompanied by 2 fighters every time), as the ION Cannon continues to clear a path for them through the Stardestroyer 'blockade'. (It's not known how many Stardestroyers are destroyed during this period, or how many transports and X-Wings take off, although it seems that 2 'transports' at a time have to start going at the same time mid-way through the battle) 

However, later on yet, shortly before the last remaining 'transport' takes off, Han has travelled an unknown distance from where the Falcon is, to reach the 'Command Centre' where Leia is.  During this scene she says "Send all troops in Sector 12 to the south slope to protect the fighters".  This is the 'south slope' area I previously thought as being the area where Luke heads to get into his X-Wing, and where the last 'transport' is seen taking off from.  I think I got that wrong, and the 'fighters' mentioned by Leia as being at the 'south slope' are NOT the likes of Luke's X-Wing in the area of the last 'transport', as I originally thought.  So the area that Luke heads for, and takes off from, must be the NORTH area that was initially mentioned by Leia!  I think....

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Octorox said:

The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.

If I'm not mistaken, that lightsaber was made special to be able to operate underwater.  Isn't there a cut scene from TPM where Qui-Gon berates Obi-Wan for getting his lightsaber wet, causing it to "short out"?  That's the reason he was running from the STAP.

 

Yes, that TPM scene sounds right (it's been a while since I watched the deleted scenes, but that rings a bell), and the special-ness of Fisto's lightsaber is backed up here. Though the point about Obi-Wan on Kamino is an interesting one -- perhaps his new saber was also modified, as per the article, to remain functional in the heavy rain?

The idea of steam coming from water-on-saber is an interesting one dramatically, used well in the 2D Clone Wars series when Anakin is fighting Ventress. The thing about using that series as canon, however, is that while there are some ties to the films (how the third season was used to directly tie in to ROTS, for example), there are many examples of scenes that don't seem reasonable to insert into canon -- for example, Mace Windu taking out an entire Separatist ship by himself (awesome, awesome sequence, by the way -- just not necessarily canon), Obi-Wan blocking flame-thrower fire with his hand/the Force, or Obi-Wan riding a speeder/jumping up a 50-story building. These were really cool scenes, and worked well from an entertainment standpoint, but I don't know if they're meant to be considered the official word on Jedi capabilities. :-)

 

Take care,

Sojourn

 

P.S. Aha! From later in the article: "A lightsaber blade was a massless form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid." This would explain the molten blast door, but also fit in with the Shadows of the Empire explanation.

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Sojourn said:

 article: "A lightsaber blade was a massless form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid." This would explain the molten blast door, but also fit in with the Shadows of the Empire explanation.

We are way off topic with all this, but that doesn't make any sense.  How could a lightsaber deflect another lightsaber when they are both massless?

 

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Sluggo said:

Sojourn said:

 article: "A lightsaber blade was a massless form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid." This would explain the molten blast door, but also fit in with the Shadows of the Empire explanation.

We are way off topic with all this, but that doesn't make any sense.  How could a lightsaber deflect another lightsaber when they are both massless?

 

According to the article: "When cutting through dense material, the immense electromagnetic field generated by the arc causes resistance rather than letting solid matter enter and interrupt the arc. This gives the blade a feeling of being solid when immersed in dense material. Rarely, some solid materials can actually pass through the electromagnetic field and short out the arc. Other Electromagnetic energy fields and coherent energy are also repelled by lightsabers' arcs. These include most force fields, blaster bolts, and other lightsaber blades."

In simpler terms (which still fit in with the above): I had always thought of it as: lightsabers are made of pure energy. This energy can cut through anything other than something else made of pure energy (another lightsaber, blaster bolts, etc.). The energy is also massless (like electricity), which is why lightsaber blades have no weight, and all the weight of a saber is in the handle/emitter.

FYI, this all started by being on-topic, because we were talking about the scene where Luke cuts himself free from the Wampa cave, and whether cutting through the ice should create steam or not. ;-)

 

Take care,

Sojourn

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Sojourn said:
lordjedi said:
Octorox said:

The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.

If I'm not mistaken, that lightsaber was made special to be able to operate underwater.  Isn't there a cut scene from TPM where Qui-Gon berates Obi-Wan for getting his lightsaber wet, causing it to "short out"?  That's the reason he was running from the STAP.

 

Yes, that TPM scene sounds right (it's been a while since I watched the deleted scenes, but that rings a bell), and the special-ness of Fisto's lightsaber is backed up here. Though the point about Obi-Wan on Kamino is an interesting one -- perhaps his new saber was also modified, as per the article, to remain functional in the heavy rain?

The idea of steam coming from water-on-saber is an interesting one dramatically, used well in the 2D Clone Wars series when Anakin is fighting Ventress. The thing about using that series as canon, however, is that while there are some ties to the films (how the third season was used to directly tie in to ROTS, for example), there are many examples of scenes that don't seem reasonable to insert into canon -- for example, Mace Windu taking out an entire Separatist ship by himself (awesome, awesome sequence, by the way -- just not necessarily canon), Obi-Wan blocking flame-thrower fire with his hand/the Force, or Obi-Wan riding a speeder/jumping up a 50-story building. These were really cool scenes, and worked well from an entertainment standpoint, but I don't know if they're meant to be considered the official word on Jedi capabilities. :-)

 

Take care,

Sojourn

 

P.S. Aha! From later in the article: "A lightsaber blade was a massless form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid." This would explain the molten blast door, but also fit in with the Shadows of the Empire explanation.

 

 TFU had far more improbable feats than that and I think GL calls that canon

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What's in GL's canon or not doesn't really matter here.

All we need to ask is does it fit into the continuity of Adywan's edits and does it add anything positive to the look or feel of the projects individually and as a whole.

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One thought, in TPM, if Qui-Gon really got mad at Obi-Wan for getting his saber wet, that could only be a temporary issue because they then went and jumped in a lake.  So, unless they have little ziploc bags with them they got their sabers wet, then promptly used them a few hours later to save the queen.

So water likely won't destroy a lightsaber then, at most it would just dissable it till it's dry, kind of like a zippo.

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Octorox said:
Sojourn said:

Yes, that TPM scene sounds right (it's been a while since I watched the deleted scenes, but that rings a bell), and the special-ness of Fisto's lightsaber is backed up here. Though the point about Obi-Wan on Kamino is an interesting one -- perhaps his new saber was also modified, as per the article, to remain functional in the heavy rain?

The idea of steam coming from water-on-saber is an interesting one dramatically, used well in the 2D Clone Wars series when Anakin is fighting Ventress. The thing about using that series as canon, however, is that while there are some ties to the films (how the third season was used to directly tie in to ROTS, for example), there are many examples of scenes that don't seem reasonable to insert into canon -- for example, Mace Windu taking out an entire Separatist ship by himself (awesome, awesome sequence, by the way -- just not necessarily canon), Obi-Wan blocking flame-thrower fire with his hand/the Force, or Obi-Wan riding a speeder/jumping up a 50-story building. These were really cool scenes, and worked well from an entertainment standpoint, but I don't know if they're meant to be considered the official word on Jedi capabilities. :-)

 

Take care,

Sojourn

 

P.S. Aha! From later in the article: "A lightsaber blade was a massless form that neither radiated heat nor expended energy until it came into contact with something solid." This would explain the molten blast door, but also fit in with the Shadows of the Empire explanation.

 

 TFU had far more imporabable feats than that and I think GL calls that canon

 

That's an interesting point. When there are more stylized interpretations and presentations of SW stories, where is the line drawn when it comes to canon -- is just the story canon, is the presentation canon, or both? TFU is actually a great example -- since there are different ways it can go (based not only on your individual movements (do you kill that stormtrooper first, or last?), or possible storylines (from what I know, there are multiple endings to the game), which is considered canon? If there are different ways the game can end, by definition, not all can be canon.

I see the presentation of these story ideas as interpretive, and therefore secondary to the storylines they're trying to convey when it comes to canon-icity. Lucas may not have ever put Obi-Wan zooming up a fifty-story building in the films, but in the medium of a stylized animation, that can work, and what really matters is that he's getting to talk with his chief soldier to step up a military operation, not the particulars of how high he can jump (at that point, the coolness of the stylized jump is more entertaining, so it is done that way).

. . . but I'm rambling. :-) While I know this isn't directly relevant to any specific edits we're discussing adywan making, it's an interesting discussion that is relevant to the overall attitude toward changes that are being made. So I apologize if all this feels off-topic, but I think it's still important to talk about.

 

Best,

Sojourn

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Well, in one ending, you kill the Emperor and Vader and become the leader of the Empire if I'm not mistaken.  So I don't think that one's canon.

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vaderios said:

Hmm Oups?

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The matte needs a bit of tweaking on the high angle shot to help it match the on set piece.

 

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HOTH ESCAPE:

One thing that always bothered me, Luke blows up the AT-AT and then the next screen he is getting in his X-wing to go to Dagobah?

Wouldnt he be surrounded by stormtroopers? And how does he get to his X-wing and the other rebels without having resistance from the Empire attack force?

well here's my take on this.

Luke is quite far from the base when he is shot down and destroys the AT-AT. After the generator is destroyed and the troopers enter Hoth base. Vader is after Luke and he sees the Falcon escaping. Maybe he thinks that Luke is on board. Vader is using the whole destroy the rebels to find Luke without the Emperor knowing what his true agenda was so after he thinks Luke has escaped he probably wouldn't have cared less if they are all captured or not and orders the fleet to pursue the Falcon. Then we see the falcon fly past Luke who is walking back to the base. now he suddenly appears at the transports which seems a bit sudden. But this behind the scenes shot shows Luke walking back through the detestation of the battle so this may well have been a cut scene which would have lengthened the scene

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.Where are all the Imperials? well they're off chasing the falcon. Vader has returned to the executor for the pursuit. Now  3 stardestroyers try to trap the falcon , and with the amount of ships we see approach HOTH that doesn't leave any for a blockade after one has been disabled. So luke is able to escape without any problems, so no blockade. Vader is using the whole destroy the rebels to find Luke without the Emperor knowing what his true agenda was so after he thinks Luke has escaped he probably wouldn't have cared less if they are all captured or not.

The whole clone wars original cartoon now not being canon is another thing that was changed because Lucas wanted to do his own version of the cartoon after the original one that he had nothing to do with was so successful. if it wasn't supposed to be canon why was it used to introduce General Grievous and have the final moments lead directly into ROTS, which Lucas himself asked them to do.

This is why i will only ever use what is in the 6 movies as canon for Revisited and nothing outside for these because the canon keeps changing all the time and has become a mess.

 

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Well, in one ending, you kill the Emperor and Vader and become the leader of the Empire if I'm not mistaken.  So I don't think that one's canon.

You might be confusing that with the alternate ending to the Episode 3 game, in which you kill Obi-Wan, then the Emperor and take his place.

TFU's alternate ending basically has you killing Vader, then attempting to kill the Emperor, at which you fail miserably. You then become his mechanical slave. (Sound familiar?)

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.Where are all the Imperials? well they're off chasing the falcon. Vader has returned to the executor for the pursuit. Now  3 stardestroyers try to trap the falcon , and with the amount of ships we see approach HOTH that doesn't leave any for a blockade after one has been disabled. So luke is able to escape without any problems, so no blockade. Vader is using the whole destroy the rebels to find Luke without the Emperor knowing what his true agenda was so after he thinks Luke has escaped he probably wouldn't have cared less if they are all captured or not.

Well, this is still a troublesome issue, because there were at least 7 to 9 Star Destroyers in the fleet (as shown in the Executor introduction), so even if 3 were immediately sent after the Falcon as Vader and the rest of the snowtroopers were picked up and transported to the Executor there would still be @ 4 to 6 ships to cover a good sized area of space by Hoth (especially if they picked up where the rebels were taking off from).

- as far as Vader and the rebels (rock group name anyone?), yes he had the ulterior motive to capture Luke and destroy the Emperor, but being that he had plenty of ships to spare AND the rebels are conveniently right there in front of him, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that Vader would order 2 to 3 SDs to go after the Falcon, have the Executor follow once Vader was on board and then have the remainder of the fleet "catch up" once they have either mopped up what they could of the rebel escape or recovered from the ion blasts.

As far as Luke getting to the last transport, he could have used the force (knowingly or unknowingly) to mask his appearance ala Obi Wan during the tractor beam de-activation scene in ANH (you know, where he "throws" the sound for the stormtroopers to hear, and when they turn back they STILL don't notice him?), not to mention one could assume that most if not all of the snowtroopers were inside the rebel base.

- also, Luke is walking AWAY from the base, being that he is walking towards us when he spins around to look at the Falcon taking off out of the main hanger, which is behind him.

I would still consider showing some more SDs in Hoth orbit, even if you show a good 5 or 6 dead from ion cannon blasts, with maybe some wreckage of rebel transports that didn't make it.

This is why i will only ever use what is in the 6 movies as canon for Revisited and nothing outside for these because the canon keeps changing all the time and has become a mess.

Here here on that.  While it would be cool to see some references here and there, it could also just tend to complicate matters and create more "prequel paradoxes" concerning the overall story arc.

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Is it just me, or do those two pictures Adywan posted look very weird? The first one has red and green specks all over the place, and the bottom half of the second one is pink. :p


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I read it (after ROTJ but the signs are there) that Vader is sensing Leia and mistaking her for Luke, knowing Han helped Luke escape the Death Star and shot up his ship adds to the assumption that the person strong in the Force in that ship is Luke (when he finds he isn't there he improvises the trap at Bespin knowing that Luke will feel the pain of his friends).

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Where are all the Imperials? well they're off chasing the falcon. Vader has returned to the executor for the pursuit. Now  3 stardestroyers try to trap the falcon , and with the amount of ships we see approach HOTH that doesn't leave any for a blockade after one has been disabled. So luke is able to escape without any problems, so no blockade. Vader is using the whole destroy the rebels to find Luke without the Emperor knowing what his true agenda was so after he thinks Luke has escaped he probably wouldn't have cared less if they are all captured or not.

 

Adywan says "....so no blockade"  

WHAAAAAAAT???   Now that sure doesn't fit in with the 'canon' of change no. 23 on your page 1 list....  ;)

 

Well this is another VERY interesting update Ady, if a little unexpected.  (I should've guessed! :) )  

There is something I'm still not clear on, but I'll come back to that.... 

First, I'll describe what I've always imagined this whole Fleet 'numbers' thing as being like previously - 

This is the first shot of the Fleet starting to approach the Hoth System after coming out of Hyperspace, since we saw the initial bigger 'gathering' earlier on, which included a few more ships than seen here.... -  

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....and although there are only 4 Stardestroyers (including the 'Executor') seen during this particular shot above, I've always imagined that the few other Stardestroyers that were seen in the initial 'gathering'shots (I've always made it another 5 or 6, because of  the way I view the shots), are spread out unseen and 'off-screen' at the side and rear of the nearest 3 ships to us here....

As to when a more impressive 'blockade' should start, I always thought of it as being from this shot below, onwards....which then would still be in place right up to the shot of Luke blasting away from the Hoth Planet too.... -

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But if I've understood this correctly, I can see your reasoning for Vader and his main motives about the Millennium Falcon, and can see how there is enough time in the current footage to imagine him giving fresh orders for the Stardestroyers to immediately concentrate on the Falcon only, before we see Luke blasting off in his X-Wing!  Problem solved for Luke's straightforward departure, with no extra added elements needed....  I reckon the last 'Transport' that finally blasted off too, may have also gotten away unhindered, if the Stardestroyers responded quickly enough....  However, Monroville's comments on this sound equally relevant too.

I'm a little confused about these 2 things though, if I'm getting you right (and I'm not even sure I've got the 'Luke's X-Wing escape' thing right yet either!) - 

1.   If you are going to just go by the amount of Stardestroyers in the top 'approach' shot as it currently is, then once one of the ships is disabled just before the AT-AT battle starts, there are only 2 'standard' Stardestroyers left.  One of these can be the 'Avenger' that follows behind the Falcon, but that leaves us one 'standard' Stardestroyer short to account for the 2 other 'oncoming' ones....OR....are you planning to add another ship into the 'approach' shot?...OR....is a 'bigger' Fleet to be imagined as being unseen and 'offscreen' in that shot, like I normally see it?....OR....are either the 'Avenger' or the 2 other 'oncoming' Stardestroyers meant to be additional, different ships to the 4 initially seen in this 'approach' shot, having been ordered to come from another part of the Fleet to join Vader's chase?

2.  If you ARE intending to add another Stardestroyer to the initial 'approach' shot, to make up the numbers to account for the 'Avenger' and the 2 other 'oncoming' ships....it's most likely that the ION Cannon has been able to disable more than one 'blockading' Stardestroyer during the whole length of time that the AT-AT battle lasts, right up until the point where the 'Command Centre' operators are ordered to evacuate....  Having said that, perhaps the few on show in the 'approach' shot 'veered away' from harms way after what happened to the Stardestroyer that was disabled by the ION Cannon....  That seems unlikely though, as mid-way through the AT-AT battle, Leia and the Rebel General are concerned that the ION Cannon won't protect 2 'Transports' at a time (past the 'blockade'), and at the end of the AT-AT battle, Leia tells Han that she doesn't think his 'bucket of bolts' will ever get them past the 'blockade'....  

On a purely visual note, I'm also wondering about what your 4 Stardestroyers in the top shot above, are meant to be doing in any of the EXISTING shots.  Are they all positioned pointing directly towards the Hoth Planet at this point, perhaps slightly spread out from each other?  I'm not asking for a reply to that, I'm just wondering aloud.... 

Also, the single Stardestroyer that we see in the bottom shot above, might be meant to be the smallest one in the top 'Fleet approach' shot, that is seen nearest the Planet at that point.  This could be the same single Stardestroyer that is also hit by the ION Cannon.  It seems to point directly towards the Planet somewhat, which was the direction the 'Transport' came from, after all.  If they are all positioned like this, then it would come across as a 'blockade' of sorts, even if they are only 4 in number.  Leia certainly thinks it's one....

Questions....Questions....

 

Loved those shots of the behind-the-scenes 'gantry' background backdrop, and the unused one of Luke, by the way Adywan.  Hadn't come across either of those before.  :)

  

 

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The blockade Definitely need sprucing up IMO

the rebels are firing at Star destroyers throughout the evac so surely they were not picking on the same ship over & over again (although I would love to see that just for the sheer comedy value alone) I would hope that Ady adds more SD's to the blockade not too many maybe only 6 or so more just to add to the rebels plight that little bit more.

 

& luke's escape has always been a yawnfest for me, even to show "switched off" SD's in the background as previously depicted would really lift the seen for me, & where are all the TIE's surely they would be needed to pick off the x wings.

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We see the Falcon being pursued by the fleet (presumably by ships which were formerly blockading the planet mixed in with ships waiting in the general area to pick off ships getting past the initial blockade) so it's not vital (though one or two ships including a few wrecks would paint a bleaker picture all round).

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Bingowings said:

I read it (after ROTJ but the signs are there) that Vader is sensing Leia and mistaking her for Luke, knowing Han helped Luke escape the Death Star and shot up his ship adds to the assumption that the person strong in the Force in that ship is Luke (when he finds he isn't there he improvises the trap at Bespin knowing that Luke will feel the pain of his friends).

Dude, that's just Lucasizing.

 

Vader had no way to know where Luke was during the battle, so failing any hard evidence that he was fighting the walkers, the other logical place for him to be would be on the Falcon during the escape.  And from a "capture the Rebels" perspective, he figured that's where Leia would be too, so it made sense to chase the Falcon instead of worrying about individual X-Wings.

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Matticon said:

HOTH ESCAPE:

The Rebel Hoth escape has always kind of annoyed me for one reason. We are lead to believe that the Imperial Fleet establishes a blockade around the planet to catch the rebels escaping. The ion cannon fires, disabling one star destroyer, and then the rebel transport escapes through the hole in the blockade. Luke then pretty much makes his escape like he is on a sunday afternoon drive while the Falcon has to run for its life.

The part that doesn't make sense is that, if a star destroyer was disabled, wouldn't the imperial fleet redistribute itself to now cover the new hole? Why wouldn't the Falcon follow Lukes path out of Hoth? It sure is a lot easier and luke leaves Hoth less than 1 minute after the Falcon does. Personally I think, TPM gets the blockade thing right with forcing the Naboo starcruiser to blast past the Trade Federation ships.

How do we solve this then?

1)Perhaps more disabled Star Destroyers?
2)Have a more exciting escape for Luke?

3)Show that Vader distributes his fleet to chase after the Falcon letting the other rebels go?

Just some thoughts.

Matticon.

 

 

 

Some fair enough points there Matticon, and I'd like to address some of them, as this is a sequence I'm especially keen to see Adywan's version of eventually.

The way this whole sequence is currently constructed onscreen, throws up a few questions about the Fleet's numbers and positioning over / around the Hoth Planet in general....    There is also the question of whether the single ION Cannon just fires several times in the SAME direction every time....OR is it able to easily change the direction it aims at, and therefore capable of disabling Stardestroyers in various surrounding positions, allowing for DIFFERENT escape routes?.... 

Regards a couple of things though, I don't reckon the Millennium Falcon would follow Luke's path, because the crew probably had no idea of where he actually was, at the time they blasted out of the Base....and he hadn't taken off yet....  With the Imperial troops storming the Rebel Base and  breathing down their necks, Han probably just blasted away from the planet as quickly as he could, with a view to making a rendezvous with the others whenever possible, and likely just chose his own route when heading towards space.  If the ION Cannon was capable of shooting in various directions at different Stardestroyers, then Han was just unlucky it hadn't previously targeted either the 'Avenger' or the 2 'oncoming' ones, that were in the vicinity of his chosen route by this time....  (However, I usually think of it as clearing a path in roughly the SAME 'sector' of the 'blockade' each time, around about where the initial Stardestroyer was targeted, which works fine)

As far as the number of NON-disabled Stardestroyers still around to 'blockade' Han and Luke's chosen escape routes, it depends on how many ships the ION Cannon might have targeted during the bulk of the intervening battle since it's first salvo....  There is approx. 6.5 minutes of ongoing (in 'real-time' I'd say) action that happens in-between the first Stardestroyer being disabled, till when the 'Command Centre' operators start to evacuate the Base....and approx. another 1.5 minutes on top of that before the Shield is taken down by General Veers.... (just after either of these events, which come near the end of the battle, the ION Cannon might then have been destroyed by either an AT-AT /AT-ST, or targeted by a Stardestroyer from above....unseen by us.  Either way, it could be argued that the ION Cannon would probably have disabled a few other Stardestroyers in the intervening time, to protect some other Rebel 'Transports' that evacuated too....)  However, it also depends on how many, or how few Stardestroyers actually travelled to the Hoth System in the first place....  This number is unknown to everyone but Adywan at the moment!

If for instance, we keep to the amount of Stardestroyers seen in the initial shots of part of the Fleet gathering, it could be argued that there are about 9 or 10 individual ones (including the 'Executor') actually shown onscreen in that vicinity.  If we go by that number, then that doesn't seem over-many ships to cover all potential escape directions....never mind having to re-distribute some to them to cover the positions of any ION Cannon- damaged ones.  So this could account for why the current shots of Luke escaping, make it look easy - He happened to be one of the last to leave, after the ION Cannon had an opportunity to disable a few of the Fleet by this time, and there might not have been more than 10 to begin with, if you go by the EXISTING onscreen footage.... 

I don't know if Adywan is going to totally replace any shots / or put in an extra establishing shot or two in-between the current shots in this sequence, or not....OR if he only wants to add extra elements into the EXISTING shots....but the following post shows a rough idea of how the EXISTING shots of Luke's escape could just be added to in some way, to elaborate on how he might have gotten away so easily -

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Matticon, here's the speculative outcome for Luke's 'escape' sequence from 7 months ago, until we finally get Adywan's version, especially since he's confirmed some certain neat additions since then - 

(Note:  it's only an approximate mock-up using a few available elements from the SE dvds.  In hindsight, I could have picked better elements to give doubleofive to use in some cases.  However, he did a great job with what he was asked to use, and managed to place everything exactly where I wanted them, and they give a good enough impression of what I was trying to indicate.  He put in a lot of effort into the rest of the sequence too, on my behalf)  I'll describe some little changes along the way....and the shots that I wanted to have extra elements added to, have been clearly indicated -

 

....A fleet of Stardestroyers has arrived at Hoth, and the Rebel's ION Cannon is fired at the particular Stardestroyer that guards the 'sector' where the first escaping Rebel 'Transport' is headed for.... 

(Adywan's version will have the ION Cannon firing a light-BLUE 'electrically-charged' laserbolt effect now.   vaderios did a great mock-up of how that could look, a while back) -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Hoth/Hoth2-041.jpg

(I'd now probably have added an additional tiny Stardestroyer in the distance (possibly the 'Executor') into shots 9, 10, and 11, and have them further up in the right of the frame, than the one shown) -

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....luckily, someone has a good aim, where this particular Stardestroyer is concerned....

(Somewhere around here, Adywan intends to have one of the X-Wing escorts end up destroyed by  Stardestroyer fire.  PSYCHO_DAYV came up with that one) - 

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight012-1.jpg

....because the Stardestroyer has now been totally 'disabled', allowing this first Rebel 'Transport' to get past the 'blockade'....

(Using a 'JEDI' element, I'd now probably have shown doubleofive's idea, where we eventually see the 'Transport' momentarily 'speed up' and 'stretch' into a blurred 'Hyperspace jump' here, at the end of shot 13, once it clears past the 'disabled' Stardestroyer) 

(Adywan's light-BLUE 'electrical'-laserbolt strike should really improve things around here, compared to the current look) -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight013-1.jpg

....there is now a period where the expected 'ground' attack from several AT-AT / AT-STs (deposited by Stardestroyers somewhere beyond the protective Energy Shield) begins....during which, Luke and some Rebel troops battle valiantly as an 'emergency evacuation' continues throughout the battle....  By the time the Imperial forces eventually overcome the Rebels, storm the Base, and bring the Shield down, there is only a single, last 'Transport' left that has still to escape....  Princess Leia eventually gives the order to totally evacuate the Rebel Base, before Vader and his troops arrive just too late to stop Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and C3PO escaping from the inside of the Base in the Millennium Falcon....which an embattled Luke sees disappearing away from him, from a good distance away from the end of the Base.... - 

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight014-1.jpg

....as Luke eventually reaches his X-Wing, the last remaining Rebel 'Transport' is already hurriedly taking off, escorted by 2 other X-Wings.  There is only a handful of stragglers left now, who are all preparing to leave too.... - 

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....Luke is finally able to depart from the Hoth Planet, as R2D2 agitates for him to leave immediately....  (it's unclear whether they realise that Vader and the AT-AT snowtroopers are so close now, as they have breached deep into the Base looking for him, and his friends, and the Rebel leaders....) -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight016-1.jpg

....however, the remaining Stardestroyer fleet overhead will still be a threat, and one ship in particular, awaits the return of Vader....

(I'd now probably not have any sign of the 'blockade' in shots 17, 18, and 19, and just keep the reveal of any awaiting Stardestroyers purely for shots 20, 21, and 22) - 

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....but fortunately for Luke, the Rebel's ION Cannon has previously managed to create an escape route in this particular 'sector'.... -

(I'd now probably show a still-'electrically-sparking' Stardestroyer as seen pointing towards us (and more towards the planet) as it slowly 'lists' around a little.  I'd have it twice as close to our viewpoint, and higher up on the right of the frame, compared to where it is now, for a better idea of Luke going past it rapidly) -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight020-1.jpg

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....unfortunately, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and C3PO have not been so lucky, when they attempted to leave in a different direction....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight023-1.jpg

....as the 'Avenger' has turned around to catch up with the Hyperdriveless Falcon that managed to evade past it, and nearly got away....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight024-1.jpg

 

Yes, I had these 2 posts nearly ready to go, and then Ady dropped his 'no 'blockade' news!  Lol.

I thought I'd put them up for Matticon's benefit anyway.

 

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Some new shots...

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as for the blockade i will be adding a couple of extra stardestroyers to the initial approach and a disabled stardestroyer in the background during Lukes escape but what i was saying was that Luke could easily slip away unchallenged because its just one fighter and a transport did leave just before he escaped so any remaining stardestroyers (which would only be one or two at the most) would be concentrating on the larger ships, so no need to add loads of stardestroyers for that scene. After all Luke is going in a completely different direction than the rebels so he most likely leaves in the opposite direction so you wouldn't see all the disabled stardestroyers which seem to concentrate above the rebel base on the other side of the planet. When the rebel transport escapes the stardestroyer is now firing upon the ships and destroys one x-wing and after the stardestroyer is disabled you see the transport and remaining x-wing jump to hyperspace.

 

 

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as for the blockade i will be adding a couple of extra stardestroyers to the initial approach and a disabled stardestroyer in the background during Lukes escape but what i was saying was that Luke could easily slip away unchallenged because its just one fighter and a transport did leave just before he escaped so any remaining stardestroyers (which would only be one or two at the most) would be concentrating on the larger ships, so no need to add loads of stardestroyers for that scene. After all Luke is going in a completely different direction than the rebels so he most likely leaves in the opposite direction so you wouldn't see all the disabled stardestroyers which seem to concentrate above the rebel base on the other side of the planet.

 

 

 

Awesome.  From toned down lightsabers (which Vaderios is pointing out in the "ESB and ROTJ Wish List" will be a huge pain in RotJR) to a disabled Star Destroyer as Luke is leaving.  Sweet action.

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