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Haha. Wow... somebody in the continuity department fails miserably.

i guess we've to make a decision about which looks better. set two looks better i think. btw, i like the daghobah, but

i've a question. in one of the trilogy walkthrough novels or textbooks or watever, it said yoda maid some of his hutt

from parts of his pod. more speciffically inside he has the seat in a corner. should we expand on that? and the idea of

putting more alien species on daghobah would be inconsistent with the novel. aside from some aliens, there are

spiders, snakes and other everyday reptiles described.

Degobah Screens: Love them! Your background matte designs are awesome. Makes it seem like a more 'alive' planet. Also, I do like the idea of Yoda's hut being made out of parts from his space pod. It seems more realistic. If I were on that planet, I would definitely use my space pod as a house! Would that count as EU though?

Mistake Screens: Wow! Can't believe I didn't notice that before. The second one looks more legit to me.

Vaderios....once again, your ideas are awesome! Hope Ady decides to incorporate some of them. They really add to the depth and believability of the shots shown!

Nice work Vaderios!

The only one that did not work for me is the X-wing entering Dagobah's atmosphere. The X-wing should, I don't don't know to say it in english..., "head down" through the clouds and fog, so the original shot feels more accurate to me.

corellian77 said:

Very nice digital matte extensions of Dagobah vaderios.  They do a lot to add depth to the exterior shots.

As BarBar Jinkx pointed out, though, in the shot of Luke looking back at Yoda, just before he attempts to lift the X-wing out of the water, wouldn't there be an open space behind the ship?  Refer to the first shot you showed us of the X-wing just after crashing... there's a ton of open space behind the ship where Luke put her down.

 Or maybe have the trees broken and sheared off?

Sluggo said:

corellian77 said:

Very nice digital matte extensions of Dagobah vaderios.  They do a lot to add depth to the exterior shots.

As BarBar Jinkx pointed out, though, in the shot of Luke looking back at Yoda, just before he attempts to lift the X-wing out of the water, wouldn't there be an open space behind the ship?  Refer to the first shot you showed us of the X-wing just after crashing... there's a ton of open space behind the ship where Luke put her down.

 

 Or maybe have the trees broken and sheared off?

We could all just pretend they are sheared off higher up (if the X-Wing hit the trunks at that speed I doubt it would have survived the crash, same goes for Luke and R2).

vaderios said:

Hmm Oups?

-Angel

vaderios, I've been meaning to mention a couple of things about this sequence, and will use the 2 recent shot examples you've shown here as an opportunity to do so.

First though, I believe you were just referring to the surrounding 'wraparound' backdrop as being different, because apart from the different colouring between the shots, the actual 'gantry' set looks the same by the time we see the shot on the right shown above, although it's filmed from far less of a 'birds-eye' view, and much more to the right of it, compared to the shot on the left, causing a shortening of the shadows cast.  As you later said, we do revert once again to the shot on the left (when Luke let's go and starts to fall)

However, apart from the duller flashing yellow 'ganty' lights in some shots which Adywan has confirmed he will try to brighten-up (it's not clear from these screenshots shown, but the 'dulled' ones in the left shot flash a 'pinkish' colour, compared to the vibrant yellow shown during the right shot), here are some other things to do with the 'gantry'/ and it's 'surrounding backdrop' that have always caught my eye -

1.  Some shots (usually the 'dulled' ones) seem to have all the smaller random backdrop lights in a LIGHT ORANGE colour, whereas other shots have a (far better-looking in my opinion) mixture of both WHITE and LIGHT ORANGE coloured lights, as seen in the right shot above.

2.  Some shots (usually the 'dulled' ones) have lines of RED horizontal backdrop lights amongst the smaller random lights, whereas others have these horizontal lights in ORANGE.  And in a couple of others, these lights are just a 'washed-out' WHITE (when Luke walks alongside the 'Vane' to re-enter through the doorway opening, and when Vader and Luke emerge out of this opening just after, as they duel again)  It would be good to have some consistency using either RED or ORANGE for all these shots, depending on Adywan's preference.  (although judging by all the shots, I'd guess it's easier to alter the orange and white ones to RED)

3.  The large (non-flashing) 'yellowish' light that is shown on the right-hand side of the left shot above, is similar to the vertical ones seen during these shots -   when Luke hangs off the 'walkway' / when Luke looks down during Vader talking to him / and during Luke's actual descent downwards.  Although the ones where Luke hangs off the 'walkway' are also 'yellowish', the other shots show them in WHITE....  Again, consistency between all these shots would be good.  (although I prefer the WHITE look myself)

4.  When we first see the 'whole' of the 'Vane' (immediately after the Falcon blasts off from the Bespin platform), it has 2 pairs of double red lights at it's base.  However, during Luke's fall, there are 3 pairs of red lights underneath the 'Vane' now....  I'd like to see the extra middle set removed from this shot to tie-in better with the previous shot.

5.  Immediately before the right shot shown above, there is a 'close-up' where Luke grabs a part of the 'gantry' prop with his remaining LEFT hand, as we hear Vader say "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father".  There is a short 'adjoining spar' underneath his hand that is missing in this prop shot, but which is evident in the next 'close-up' that comes immediately after the right shot above, where he has turned around while still hanging onto the same section....  It would be neat if this short 'adjoining spar' could either be added (preferably) or removed to tie these shots together. 

Clearly they hoped they'd save money by doing the sequence infront of a glass painting (which actually does cast some realistic light reflections around) but then found that some of the angles didn't match up later and used an optical composite of a matte (only they didn't bother with the continuity as much as they should).

It looked great in 1980 but back then most people saw a film once or twice (not the umpty thrumpty zillion times we have all seen these films since).

BarBar Jinkx said:

vaderios said:

-Angel

Just one question would it be possible to  lessen the thickness of the trees over the path where the x-wing came in to land  as I can't see it getting trough there

 

Also wouldn't the trees themselves be a lot smaller looking considering they'd be a least 100ft away from where Luke is standing?  They all look like they are only 10ft away and make the xwing look like a toy.  I say just keep the fog as is. It makes the body of water seems big, mysterious, and dangerous.  With the trees it looks like pond.

dumb_kid said:

Also wouldn't the trees themselves be a lot smaller looking considering they'd be a least 100ft away from where Luke is standing?  They all look like they are only 10ft away and make the xwing look like a toy.  I say just keep the fog as is. It makes the body of water seems big, mysterious, and dangerous.  With the trees it looks like pond.

 

I agree with the trees, but as for the water- I thought it was a big pond. Lol.

It was indeed. Take a look at the 3rd paragraph.

ThrowgnCpr said:

well, how would ice react when put into contact with something as hot as a lightsaber?  I think some ice falling would help, but I am sure some would also turn to a gas, and this could create a little cloud.

While there's some debate about this (especially with some more recent EU stuff), lightsabers didn't originally give off heat. For example, in Shadows of the Empire (which while EU, was a media campaign by Lucas set between ESB and ROTJ), when Luke is building his lightsaber, and he tests it for the first time, he holds the blade right next to his hand to see if it gives off any heat, stating that if it did, there would be something wrong with it. At the same time, lightsabers have been seen to make burn marks when cutting into things, melting the metal of blast doors in TPM, etc. They only sometimes cause steam/smoke when coming in contact with flesh (and therefore moisture). As you can see, accounts are inconsistent, but there's no definite proof from the films that a lightsaber generates heat, or that when coming into contact with moisture, that it would create steam (the way a red-hot piece of metal would, for example). One could even argue (and some SW books have) that a lightsaber would actually short out when coming into contact with water, since it's an energy beam, not a physical object.

Also, on the topic of radio drama dialogue: I really liked what ady did with the Biggs line in ANH:R, but as with everything else in this edit, we should be cautious about adding stuff just for the sake of adding it, or because we can. For example, while adding that line from the beginning of the duel might make it more "complete", it doesn't necessarily work from a character/story perspective, at least not for me. That moment is such a wonderfully ominous one, with Vader appearing at the top of the stairs, completely in control of the situation. Luke giving a snappy, bordering-on-flippant response undermines the emotional impact of the scene, which is rooted in the fear that Vader instills. Anyway, those are just my thoughts -- what do you think?

Take care,

Sojourn