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ben_danger said:
the inclusion of the DSII after the credits was inspired by the end of the old computer game "doom", if anyone remembers the bunny on the spike, then the slow reveal of the gateway to hell.
as long as ady doesn't use the music from doom im sure erik stormtrooper's idea would work nicely.
the inclusion of the DSII after the credits was inspired by the end of the old computer game "doom", if anyone remembers the bunny on the spike, then the slow reveal of the gateway to hell.
as long as ady doesn't use the music from doom im sure erik stormtrooper's idea would work nicely.
I remember that! That part with the bunny-head always used to scare me when I played that when I was, like, 7 or 8 years old. Now, it still disturbs me, but at least I can watch it without running outta the room and missing Bobby Prince's cool music.
As for the DSII, this is the only idea I can think of for bringing it in that wouldn't be intrusive. I personally like it, though Ady should probably use the skeletal Death Star from ROTS and cut that bit out of ROTSR.
That is, IF he does it.
...Could this become the new 'flipper debate'?
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Amras Felagund said:
...Could this become the new 'flipper debate'?
...Could this become the new 'flipper debate'?
I missed the Flipper Debate of 07 (and I still don't know what side I would have been on), so I'm all for this one. But then again the arm had to be changed, it was just a matter of what to change it to. The DSII doesn't have to even be hinted at in ESB.
I keep going back and forth. It'd be really neat, but completely unnecessary. I guess what really sells me on the idea now is cutting it out of the ending of RotS. After spending 20 years on building a smaller Death Star, there is still no way that they would have learned enough from building it that they would be able to build an even bigger badder one in 1/4 the time. Maybe I'm more for the idea of taking the DS construction out of RotS than I am of adding it to the post-credits of ESB...
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I also want to change the opening of Jedi. As it stands at the moment that movie, to me, is too much like a rehash of ANH. Even the opening shot is almost the same. Why didn't Vaders shuttle emerge from the Executor? Surely he would be onboard that ship. Its there later on so why not at the neginning when Vader arrives? I think in my edition it will be a shot of the shuttle emerging from the Superstardestroyer but without having the same over head shot as it is now.
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I like the idea for RotJ's opening. I always thought it was weird that Vader comes from a regular Star Destroyer. You could use the shuttle leaving Bespin in ESB (cut from your version) as the shot of it leaving the SSD. Then maybe you can use the shuttle dropping from the opening for Needa's shuttle in ESB!
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ben_danger said:
do we ever see the underside of the executor?
do we ever see the underside of the executor?
A couple of times.
http://www.jaredmcguire.com/Tech/Space/Image/Executor2.jpg
Never a direct underview
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teharri said:
A couple of times.
Never a direct underview
A couple of times.
Never a direct underview
That's the shot I'm talking about for the opening of RotJ, but with the shuttle from the previous shot.
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teharri said:
A couple of times.
http://www.jaredmcguire.com/Tech/Space/Image/Executor2.jpg
Never a direct underview
ben_danger said:
do we ever see the underside of the executor?
do we ever see the underside of the executor?
A couple of times.
http://www.jaredmcguire.com/Tech/Space/Image/Executor2.jpg
Never a direct underview
Well it wouldn't be a direct underneath view i would be using anyway. I want to get away from that ANH look that the opening of ROTJ has now. i was actually thinking of panning down to the executor and the shuttle & ties approaching then the camera pans as it follows the shuttle to reveal the Death Star above endor .Hopefully i can get someone to do a nice CG render of the shuttle and have a panning shot from executor to Death Star. But thats years away yet so i may be able to do CG work myself by then
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I'll share, even though CG panning would be a lot better.
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Falcon goes to hyperspace.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
If the timing is right, you won't even have to worry about lip sync. With Vader, it's just a matter of pacing for how fast he walks vs how fast the line is, and with Piett, it's a short enough line that he should be able to get it off during that second or so that Vader's cape blocks our view of him.
We don't need to see DSII. For the people who know what happens at the opening of Jedi, this scene is an easter egg. For people who don't know (kids of the future), it will give them something to reference back to when they do see Jedi... "Ah, so THAT'S why the fleet went to Endor at the end of Empire!"
This way, the implication is that DSII has been under construction for a while and going there is just a matter of "getting on with business".
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Ziz said:
Alternate idea - instead of showing DSII at the end of Empire, just imply that that's where the fleet is headed after the Falcon escapes them at Bespin.
If the timing is right, you won't even have to worry about lip sync. With Vader, it's just a matter of pacing for how fast he walks vs how fast the line is, and with Piett, it's a short enough line that he should be able to get it off during that second or so that Vader's cape blocks our view of him.
We don't need to see DSII. For the people who know what happens at the opening of Jedi, this scene is an easter egg. For people who don't know (kids of the future), it will give them something to reference back to when they do see Jedi... "Ah, so THAT'S why the fleet went to Endor at the end of Empire!"
This way, the implication is that DSII has been under construction for a while and going there is just a matter of "getting on with business".
Alternate idea - instead of showing DSII at the end of Empire, just imply that that's where the fleet is headed after the Falcon escapes them at Bespin.
Falcon goes to hyperspace.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
If the timing is right, you won't even have to worry about lip sync. With Vader, it's just a matter of pacing for how fast he walks vs how fast the line is, and with Piett, it's a short enough line that he should be able to get it off during that second or so that Vader's cape blocks our view of him.
We don't need to see DSII. For the people who know what happens at the opening of Jedi, this scene is an easter egg. For people who don't know (kids of the future), it will give them something to reference back to when they do see Jedi... "Ah, so THAT'S why the fleet went to Endor at the end of Empire!"
This way, the implication is that DSII has been under construction for a while and going there is just a matter of "getting on with business".
Not a bad idea, but how are we going to get James Earl Jones and Kenneth Colley to film this for us? ;-)
I know what you're describing, but I think that scene ends best when Piett is just waiting to be choked and Vader just walks right past him silently.
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"Set your course for the Hoth system."
"You are in command now Admiral Piett."
And I'm sure there's at least one spot where Piett says "Yes Lord Vader." The only work will be getting a Vader-ish voice to say "Endor".
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Ziz said:
Alternate idea - instead of showing DSII at the end of Empire, just imply that that's where the fleet is headed after the Falcon escapes them at Bespin.
If the timing is right, you won't even have to worry about lip sync. With Vader, it's just a matter of pacing for how fast he walks vs how fast the line is, and with Piett, it's a short enough line that he should be able to get it off during that second or so that Vader's cape blocks our view of him.
We don't need to see DSII. For the people who know what happens at the opening of Jedi, this scene is an easter egg. For people who don't know (kids of the future), it will give them something to reference back to when they do see Jedi... "Ah, so THAT'S why the fleet went to Endor at the end of Empire!"
This way, the implication is that DSII has been under construction for a while and going there is just a matter of "getting on with business".
Alternate idea - instead of showing DSII at the end of Empire, just imply that that's where the fleet is headed after the Falcon escapes them at Bespin.
Falcon goes to hyperspace.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
Vader pondering what just happened.
Vader (walking down the length of the bridge): "Admiral Piett, set your course for the Endor system."
Piett (as Vader crosses in front of him): "Yes, Lord Vader."
Fleet goes to hyperspace.
Continue with ending of film as it exists.
If the timing is right, you won't even have to worry about lip sync. With Vader, it's just a matter of pacing for how fast he walks vs how fast the line is, and with Piett, it's a short enough line that he should be able to get it off during that second or so that Vader's cape blocks our view of him.
We don't need to see DSII. For the people who know what happens at the opening of Jedi, this scene is an easter egg. For people who don't know (kids of the future), it will give them something to reference back to when they do see Jedi... "Ah, so THAT'S why the fleet went to Endor at the end of Empire!"
This way, the implication is that DSII has been under construction for a while and going there is just a matter of "getting on with business".
But we don't actually need any of this for a reference back when watching Jedi. This has already been set into place with the ending as it exists now. The reference to the search for han, jabba the hutt & the rendezvous at Tatooine does this perfectly. Also the rebel fleet aren't heading to Endor at the end of ESB. They don't even know where the Death Star is being built or even if there is a new one. The rebel fleet are massing near sullust and the Bothan spies get the info for the rebels.
There is no need to add any sort of additional scenes in ESB. This movie is most flawless one in the whole saga (minus cosmetic improvements and a bit of de-SEing). Adding the DS2 or any mention of it (or endor) is totally unnecessary and steps into GL's SE changes territory in that its been put in just because it can.
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I agree with the inclusion of such a scene as a special feature. Kind of like the whole Jar-Jar getting blown up on Alderaan scene on the ANHR disc. Wouldn't have fit the philosophy of the edit, but so nice to see anyway.
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teharri said:
it would be kind of neat to use the beginning ROTJ with Vader as a scene in the end of ESB. Just an idea. I am not saying we should do it. I just was thinking about it.
it would be kind of neat to use the beginning ROTJ with Vader as a scene in the end of ESB. Just an idea. I am not saying we should do it. I just was thinking about it.
George already did that for the Special Edition. don't you remember??
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I sort of quite like that idea. Although Vader strolling past Piett and not saying anything and Piett realising he's not about to be choked is a great ending as it is.
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If it were up to some of you baboons, we'd have the Death Star battle at the beginning of Empire, the pod Race while Han gets frozen, Ewoks on Hoth and the two goons looking at a Death Star being built just for the sake of seeing a Death Star being built.
Man, the film is almost perfect (well before the SE came along anyway) can we just leave it that way.
adywan said:
There is no need to add any sort of additional scenes in ESB. This movie is most flawless one in the whole saga (minus cosmetic improvements and a bit of de-SEing). Adding the DS2 or any mention of it (or endor) is totally unnecessary and steps into GL's SE changes territory in that its been put in just because it can.
There is no need to add any sort of additional scenes in ESB. This movie is most flawless one in the whole saga (minus cosmetic improvements and a bit of de-SEing). Adding the DS2 or any mention of it (or endor) is totally unnecessary and steps into GL's SE changes territory in that its been put in just because it can.
Thank god for that!!
:D Ok...rant over!!
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And doubleofive - Thanks to you too for that fine mock-up taster of what may come. Good stuff.
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Here's a quick comparison shot so you can see the difference in the colour:
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If you need any help, I'm willing to try my hand at anything. If you want, I can storyboard like I did for RotJ there.
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HotRod said:
If it were up to some of you baboons, we'd have...the pod Race while Han gets frozen
If it were up to some of you baboons, we'd have...the pod Race while Han gets frozen
Well, you need some levity during such a serious scene, right? :p
And to Ady: Great shot, but I thought you were taking some time off, fella! ;)