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Jeyl said:

gavin77 said:

Well I don't know if this is the reason, but in Star Wars The Clone Wars, which is completely Lucas' vision and direction, where the Ion Cannon is first introduced as a seperatist weapon, it is blue, with the energy/lightning thing going on. 

Yes, but the Clone Wars is EU territory just like the previous series. Both are done with Lucas' vision and direction and are do exactly the same thing. And if I may say add, the spinning star field is also a part of Lucas' vision and direction as well. 

- Jeyl

Way off topic, and not a big deal, but The old Clone Wars miniseries was EU, where George basicly just let it happen. No involvement. The new one, he is actually writing a lot of the material, and if an episode is written by someone else, it is written by them with a basic outline for the episode by George and Dave Filoni. George edits almost every episode, and the entire main story arc and direction is completely George. This is the story that George himself wanted to tell, that's why he's doing it. The live action series coming out that takes place between ep3 and 4 is also supposed to be his story, and not considered EU. I look at it almost like Empire, he wrote the general story, and someone else directed it and filled in the blanks. Take it for what it's worth. Peace....

gavin77 said:

Jeyl said:

gavin77 said:

Well I don't know if this is the reason, but in Star Wars The Clone Wars, which is completely Lucas' vision and direction, where the Ion Cannon is first introduced as a seperatist weapon, it is blue, with the energy/lightning thing going on. 

Yes, but the Clone Wars is EU territory just like the previous series. Both are done with Lucas' vision and direction and are do exactly the same thing. And if I may say add, the spinning star field is also a part of Lucas' vision and direction as well. 

- Jeyl

Way off topic, and not a big deal, but The old Clone Wars miniseries was EU, where George basicly just let it happen. No involvement. The new one, he is actually writing a lot of the material, and if an episode is written by someone else, it is written by them with a basic outline for the episode by George and Dave Filoni. George edits almost every episode, and the entire main story arc and direction is completely George. This is the story that George himself wanted to tell, that's why he's doing it. The live action series coming out that takes place between ep3 and 4 is also supposed to be his story, and not considered EU. I look at it almost like Empire, he wrote the general story, and someone else directed it and filled in the blanks. Take it for what it's worth. Peace....

 

It really depends on what you consider to be canon.  And if we're talking EU here, then the six movies are canon and everything else (any TV media or the Clone Wars movie included) is considered EU by definition.  Whether you consider all EU to be canon, or just some of it, or, for Ady's purposes, none of it at all, it's still EU.

And Ady has said he doesn't give two shits about anything EU for his "Revisited" edits, which is more than fine by me.

Are names Canon? Cause nor Wicket, Ewok or Bib Fortuna is uttered in the movies, among other things.

And if we're talking EU here, then the six movies are canon and everything else (any TV media or the Clone Wars movie included) is considered EU by definition. 

To me it's:

Star Wars canon = Lucas behind the story. (for the better and the worst) So CGI Clone Wars episodes are SW canon to me.

EU = No Lucas (or maybe just his signature on a paper, while eating a burger)

EU stands for "expanded universe," which means expanded from the movies.  So, by definition, anything that isn't Episode I, II, III, IV, V, or VI is part of the expanded universe, regardless of whether it's canon or not.  That's all I meant.

Canon is relative - whatever you want to be canon is canon to you.  For me, it's the Star Wars, Empire and Jedi in their theatrical form, and the Thrawn trilogy, and nothing else.  For others, it means different things.

Off topic, I was just watching Episode III since I hadn't watched it since opening day at midnight.  I forgot what a steaming pile of shit it is.  Every aspect of it feels like it was made by someone who hadn't even gone to film school, much less someone who's made several movies in his life.  Incredibly choppy editing, no flow between scenes, horrid dialogue, childish attempts at humor ... what the hell happened from 1977 to 2005?

Rant over.  Back on topic.  Sorry for the distraction.

Darth Wagner said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Off topic, I was just watching Episode III since I hadn't watched it since opening day at midnight. I forgot what a steaming pile of shit it is. Every aspect of it feels like it was made by someone who hadn't even gone to film school, much less someone who's made several movies in his life. Incredibly choppy editing, no flow between scenes, horrid dialogue, childish attempts at humor ... what the hell happened from 1977 to 2005?

Rant over. Back on topic. Sorry for the distraction.

Maybe you are like 28 years older. And you're right about this beeing off topic.

 

I second that one about it being off topic. Plus the face I am sick and tired of the same ol' whines and gripes, rehash them endlessly in another forum, that I won't be in. EPIII (one of my favorite movies ever) got around 80 percent good reviews overall, look at any poll or rating site they all average out about the same. Did everyone like it? No way. But most who saw it did.

When I said "Back on topic, sorry for the distraction," that meant I wasn't trying to start a discussion on this, it was just a comment since I was watching it at the time.  Regardless, I still don't understand why people liked that movie.

Now to make an "on topic" post so we can move beyond this:

- I *really* like the blue ion cannon blast.  It's much, much more effective.
- Another "good call" vote on noticing the buildings in the Cloud City matte.
- I prefer the spinning starfield, but don't care either way
- In regards to the side lasers thing for the AT-ATs which was discussed a little bit ago - my suggestion is to have everything be fired from those side turrets, unless they need extra firepower (i.e. when they blow up the shield generator, or when shooting at heavier turrets on the ground).  And while I don't think the lasers should be a different color, they should be thinner when coming from the side turrets than the ones that come from the larger ones.

Wow- guess the buildings were easier to fix than I thought. Nice work.

Siliconmaster482 said:

Wow- guess the buildings were easier to fix than I thought. Nice work.

Omne ignotum pro magnifico, Adywan's reputation as a miracle worker will suffer shipwreck if he is so candid with how he performs such feats.

adywan said:

Nice work -- I was going to say something about this when I saw it, too, and I'm glad that Entropy Ink pointed it out and you liked the suggestion, ady!

Take care,

Sojourn

adywan said:

And Jeyl, i have no problems with criticisms whatsoever but your posts came across as just plain rude. I welcome criticisms as they have changed my mind about many things in these edits but you have to respect that i do have a carefully thought out plan for the saga which not everyone will agree with. But that doesn't mean that there's a need for name calling and rudeness.

 

It gladdens my heart to hear you say this, adywan, even though it was not directly specifically at me!

I'm hoping certain folks will remember this when they direct hostility towards me on here (as they have in the past) for criticizing some of your creative choices! ;)

Monroville said:

In regards to the close-up AT-AT head shots:




I concur that the snow could be removed from the AT-AT headshots, but would you consider showing the crew INSIDE the head through the window (or at least something to indicate there is something/someone inside)?  I guess that is one of the main reasons I loved the red cockpit idea.  Even without the "red", to add some lighting in the cockpit with something there to indicate it is a working head and not a solid model would be nice to see.

You may want to also blacken the holes on all 6 guns where the lasers come out (the second shot isn't as bad, but the first one you can tell they are a little "model-ly" in how solid the barrels look).  Also, is it just me, or is the head model a little "rough around the edges", at least in that first shot (notice the area right above the 2 lower guns and how the front face plate with the window seems to be angled/sliding down to the left compared to the rest of the head)?  Another thing could be to add some texturing to the head to help increase the scale.

To add to the "more lasers" issue, maybe you could have the upper side guns shoot lasers along with the longer barreled side guns, or even make them more like mini-guns for close-in defense - you could even have the small gun barrels "spin" when they fire off a laser burst.  Even so, you could still retain the 4 laser firing rate for all long distance shots by keeping the smaller side guns for close defense.

Also also, no biggie on this one but an extra idea none the less.  Whether the AT-ATs are powered by fusion, fission, coal, or harsh language, I was wondering if you had smoke or steam coming out of either the tail pipe or panels on the AT-AT as the engine vents as the vehicle moves. I don't know how that would look (and definitely not something necessary), but just another idea to throw out there.

Triple also: in regards to the "AT-AT death by hand grenade "scene - a good reference as to how to modify the explosion would be the destruction of the Enterprise in STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK.  You could extend the AT-AT death a few seconds (nothing major) by showing the side paneling venting some of the internal explosion as the skin almost evaporates.  You could also show:

(a) the central engine fall from the bottom before the AT-AT makes it's leftward fall

(b) show snowtroopers jumping out the side hatch on fire as they try to escape.

(c) definitely modify/ re-film the head explosion

(d) add sparks and internal electrical fires within the smoky neck area or even take the far-off flaming Enterprise shot from ST3 (when it is entering the atmosphere) and blend it with the neck, so when the AT-AT makes its fall you have a nice trail of flames coming from the neck where the head used to be (as opposed to just smoke)

(e) making elements of the explosion "bigger" by making the flames appear .. not smaller per se, but you know how a massive fire looks coming from a building or airplane as opposed to a model 2 to 5 feet tall.

I think the snow adds character, why remove it? It's not like machinery can't pick up snow... those walkers are tall and the wind is going to be blowing snow and flakes will accumulate as they move around.

I don't really care that much about the "red windshield" thing but I don't see why a red windshield means the cockpit needs to be tinted red on the inside like some kind of Submarine emergency lighting. Ever hear of a tinted windshield? That's all it is. Plus tinting scenes just is annoying. I disliked the hyperspace tinting done for ANH:R, even if it did "make sense" now that he restored the blue effect (and it didn't have to be that blue after all). Those shots of the interior of the AT-ATs is just too cool that I shudder to think of anything in it changing at all (except maybe normalizing those decals on the back of the helmets).