rcb said:i came across somehting thats been bugging me for awhile. after luke lands on daghobah, and sets up camp. he says, "There's something familiar about this place." wat the heck does he mean? did he see it in a vision or did obi-wan take him there for a visit when he was a youngleen? i never figured that out. so can we lose that line?
I believe in a (very) early draft of the prequels, the Skywalker twins were supposed to be born on Dagobah. I don't have a particular problem with the line, though.
Monroville said:Also i won't be extending the actual carbon chamber in any way. Although it does look pretty cool in the McQuarrie paintings i feel that the limitations reached during filming actually helped the scene and gave that claustrophobic feel that this scene needs. Make the chamber look to big with all these extending platforms and your treading too close into PT territory for my liking. if you look at the PT everything is just so expansive and flashy which just became a show piece and did nothing to help create any sort of mood for the scene. Less can be more.
In regards to this, while again I understand that this is your edit, and if I or others want to do something different it is up to us to learn Vegas and After Effects and do our own thing, I am still perplexed by this.
What was the planet below the Death Star in ANH:R? Or even the Lucas added X-wing fly-by, or your added TIE fly-by, or the Mos Eisley CG overhead view? None of that was really necessary to the story telling, but that is almost beside the point. Lucas did what he did to test ILM's new CGI rendering to see what he could do for a possible set of Prequels. I am sure you did what you did just to add some of your own creativity and imagination.
I do not see how including something like Vaderios' rendering (of course, a more thorough one) could HURT the story telling process if we are going to have a pretty but unnecessary Cloud City CGI fly-by of Leia's Cloud City apartment, among other SE added elements. It's as if you bounce back-and-forth between the SE and the purist editions at will sometimes, making arguments that counter previous arguments (you made an argument earlier I believe that you wanted to make these closer to what was envisioned, thus no EU stuff. Well, if McQ and Kirshner envisioned the carbonite chamber as having gantryways going off into the distance, wouldn't you be going against their intentions now?) Not to mention: how can something be claustrophobic if there is an obvious "open-air' environment surrounding the carbonite chamber?
This is not to get pissy (okay, maybe a little), it is just a little confusing as to what the real objective of this is all about.... other than the obvious (that you're doing it for yourself)
I've said it before and i will say it again. Your attitude is really starting to stink Monroville. What the hell is with all the attitude? Big deal i won't be going with the carbon chamber idea and i have made my point. Its totally unnecessary and would be too difficult to do because of all the smoke etc. Many people have made suggestions that i haven't gone with but i don't see them throwing their dummy out of the pram about it.
You obviously haven't properly read what i have said in the past about these edits. where have i contradicted myself? You say that i wanted to make these edits closer to what was envisioned? well maybe you should check again because i said that i was making these edits closer to what I had envisioned and that's why i don't want to add any EU stuff in there. This was stated form the start of ANH:R and nothing has changed so why question my real objective for these edits? you also go on about the planet added in the DS reveal. again try reading my reasoning why i added that before , as you yourself admit, getting pissy about all this. The DS in ROTJ was being constructed over a planet so therefore it was an addition that showed that the DS wasn't fully complete when we first see it (as stated in the dialogue) so it was never added just for creativity but to give some continuity about the DS's construction and also to give this huge battle station a bigger reveal, similar to one given to the Executor in ESB.
you say that kirshner envisioned the carbon chamber as having the gantrys going off in the distance then why make the final look of it so enclosed with the dark lighting? why not go with the look of the McQuarrie painting? they had stages big enough to do it. the smaller look to the chamber created a mood and gives a claustrophobic feel because its so enclosed. adding the longer gantries and making the chamber bigger changes that mood and i am not prepared to do that.
And i'm not bouncing back and forth between the SE & purist at will at all. certain SE elements did give a greater scope to scenes while others didn't and created continuity problems amongst others. the cloud city fly by and the new approach gave the city a larger scale as did the mos eisley shots, but not all of them.
you can take your sly little digs and get as pissy as you want but at the end of the day it is my edit and i can now just chose to ignore you if i wish. I do take your ideas on board but please be a bit more mature when i don't go with something you want to see.
ok, now back to normality:
ImperialFighter saidAdywan, just wondering about this bottom shot of Vader, where I think we hear the words "Son, come with me". As Vader is definately confirmed as being shown at the very front of the Bridge now, this existing shot's background seems at odds with that.
Will you be amending the 'blurry' background a little here? (while keeping it 'blurry')....or are you going to just show this doorway (perhaps closing a little!) as seen here, suggesting that it closes between the 'control room' section and the Bridge? More than content either way.
yeh, that shot was added just to show the new sequence. I haven't got around to redoing the background yet but it will be changed to show the far end of the bridge and also the shot where he is shot sideways but you see the control room wall will be changed to the background of the windows.
ImperialFighter said:vaderios said:Also i know Ady can do magic but is any way to eliminate the overpowered glow of luke's saber?
-Angel
Have to say that I always liked the look of the 'glows' during this shot in the duel. Adywan has said he is going to improve the mattes better when the 'glows' occur, though.
What I'd really like to see, if possible, is for the 'flashing' yellow 'gantry' lights to flash a bit brighter yellow in this shot, and some others , as seen from 'Luke hanging-on' onwards (they seem dulled in certain shots)....to better tie-in with the bright 'close-ups' of them. This would be a very welcome touch I think.
yes, i'm hoping to do something about the glows. they are too strong and also the flashes need to be fixed too because they show the matte surrounding off . i'll see what i can do about the lights on the gantry.
Sevb32 said:I posted this SD bridge layout from the SW Tech journal earlier in the thread and I don't think anyone reacted to it at all, or even seen it.
Yeh, that schematic isn't correct. i had a look at this myself in my technical journal. if you notice the have missed the stairs out that lead off the bridge
Luke Vader said:Really nice work so far Ady !
I was just wondering if you were planning on fixing the Vader hologram in the AT-AT cause it looks pretty bad as it is now :P
maybe someone who owns a screen accurate vader suit could help you
Ripplin said:Apparently, Ady made himself a Vader suit, but I dunno how complete it is. Perhaps he could show us? ;)
yes i am planning on fixing this. I haven't had chance to fix the suit as yet because it got a bit trashed at the party but as soon as i do i'll post a pic.
seven said:Not sure if these have been already mentioned, but visuals are always fun....
i hadn't noticed a couple fo them. thanks.
Nice mockups of the tunnel there Vaderios. i'll probably be keeping the tunnel the same length at the moment but that may change once i have redesigned the vane to incorporate the carbon chamber.
I was thinking about the Worms teeth again! (now there is a sentence I thought I would never need to say!)
would it work to just darken the inside of the worm to hide the obviousness of the teeth as it seems to be too brightly lit as it is at the moment
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
I was thinking about the Worms teeth again!
One thing I think that can be made is to make them retractile teeth, like a great white shark. Mostly in the last exterior shot. The worm would look a bit more terrorizing and not just a puppet with someone's hand inside. (I guess I'm in a Lucas mood today...)
adywan said:
yeh, that shot was added just to show the new sequence. I haven't got around to redoing the background yet but it will be changed to show the far end of the bridge and also the shot where he is shot sideways but you see the control room wall will be changed to the background of the windows.
yes, i'm hoping to do something about the glows. they are too strong and also the flashes need to be fixed too because they show the matte surrounding off . i'll see what i can do about the lights on the gantry.
Ah, thanks for the updates already Adywan.
I'm glad you have decided to go the extra mile to keep the 'open entranceway to Bridge' look behind that 'frontal' shot of Vader. It will be good to see the windows added-in behind the 'side-on' shot too. Nice.
And very pleased that you may be 'yellowing up' some of those lights in certain shots.
Monroville - you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you? ;)
After reading Monroville's reply, I can sort of understand the points he brings up. When it comes to fan edits you can change and do whatever you want with them, but when all is said and done it is your work and your edit. However, with work can comes criticisms and opinions that you won't always agree with.
I think it's great Adywan that you put so much time into replying to a lot of these posts in this forum and it shows you want to do this project right to the best of your ability. You remove all the stuff that drove every Star Wars fan insane and corrected goofs that most major studios pay no mind to. I am in fact amazed by the work you have done by yourself and I wish you had other projects besides this where your work can really be called you own and appreciated without the fear of a C&D (Ok, bad joke. Sorry!)
Still, criticisms come with the territory. I'd like to bring about Monroville's post in regards to the "CG overhead view that really isn't necessary to tell the story". Well, I share this view but for different reasons. Your reasoning behind this is that it gives the sets a greater scale than what was presented originally. Well, does Mos Eisley really need to be scaled up and have a lot more activity going on? It went from being just a "space port" in the unaltered versions to a freaking city where a lot of interesting stuff goes on with the enhancements! If such a place like this exists and it's labeled as being just a "space port", why is this planet being generalized as desolate, barren and no fun? In the original version of Star Wars, it's not hard to see why Luke would want to leave this planet, but now with the Special Editions, it's just BURSTING with activity! I don't see why Luke is talking crap about Tatooine in general when all these enhancements make the place quite interesting. It's sort of like how they portrayed Anakin's life as a slave. His mother says he deserves better than a slaves life, but he has friends, gets to play with the other kids, race with pod racers in tournaments, earn money, get off work early, build his own robots, walk around the streets all by his own and he and his mother live in a two story townhouse with multiple rooms, tables, chairs, furniture and enough food to feed six people in one sitting!
Now, in regards to Cloud City's fly over, this is where I agree that we should see more of it like we did in the Special Editions. It not only shows Cloud City being portrayed as an actual city, but it also sets itself a part from the other areas we've experienced in Star Wars. And while Monroville's point of shots like these not moving the story forward, getting the perspective of a setting can be very important to set the mood for the characters. Enhancing a setting can work, but not all the time. When it came to enhancing Mos Eisley, the perspective we get doesn't really match Luke's description and distaste for the planet. Also, even in the special editions of both movies, Mos Eisley Space Port (Remember, on the most boring planet in the galaxy!) has more activity going on than Cloud City! But if you were to watch the original unaltered version of Mos Eisley and than Cloud City with the Special Edition enhancements, there's a much more distinguishing difference between the two.
Should the Carbon Chamber be enhanced? Naw. I think it's alright the way it is. I'm not saying this because I don't want to get into the prequel territory (even though if you did enhance the set it still wouldn't be outlandish as the prequels).
Now, if you want to talk about not getting into prequel territory in your edits, there's a particular special effect that occurs when a certain ship goes into hyperspace that happens in two of the three original Star Wars movies but not in any of the prequel movies. Should I say more? :D
Couple of interesting ideas there.
I think a little 'darkening' of the FIRST shot we see of the asteroid slug's teeth in the distance (not shown above), where our heroes are in the foreground of the Falcon's cockpit....could work okay. If I remember right, the overall colouration and effect in that shot in general on the SE, looked a bit poor anyway. Having said that, I don't know what effect the Falcon's 'bright, white' lights (if they've been put on again) on the 2 front prongs would have. Just a thought, but if they are 'supposedly' on again at this point, would we see a hint of their 'shine' on any of the large teeth that they pass in the bottom shot?
I certainly think that as we get nearer the teeth, the 'lighting' in the shot shown here at the top looks fine, as the asteroid slug was very close to the opening of the asteroid 'cave' by this point, when the Falcon escapes, and whatever 'outside light source' that was hitting the asteroid's surface, was also entering the 'open mouth' a little at this point.
As far as 'retractable' teeth appearing, that's interesting too. However, if that is decided on, then I reckon it would be better not happening any later than during the shot at the top here. It would be a more subtle effect in the lead-up to when we get closer to them, that way.
I'd really like to see the strange colouring of the Falcon's cockpit frame made a little 'greyer' during these shots though, if possible.
Jeyl said:Well, does Mos Eisley really need to be scaled up and have a lot more activity going on? It went from being just a "space port" in the unaltered versions to a freaking city where a lot of interesting stuff goes on with the enhancements! If such a place like this exists and it's labeled as being just a "space port", why is this planet being generalized as desolate, barren and no fun? In the original version of Star Wars, it's not hard to see why Luke would want to leave this planet, but now with the Special Editions, it's just BURSTING with activity!
To me, what this could mean is that even though they [just because they could] added a ton of people to Mos Eisley, maybe it's still the only place within a 500 mile radius with anything interesting going on. It is still a dusty, bland place with probably not much to do other than drink or buy machine parts. They can jazz it up all they want, but it still looks boring. Haha. And it doesn't change the fact that the planet is a giant desert. Plus, Luke is growing up and wants to stretch his legs. Hard to do when all you see is sand and buildings that look like they grew out of the sand.
Regarding the interior of the space slug shots- It has seemed strange that the thing is just a tube with teeth at the end. I think a darkened shot of the throat area might look a bit better. It makes it easier for the imagination to picture this space slug as a biologically feasible creature.
I would be more inclined to have the nearby wall lit up (as the Falcon has headlights) and the mouth in the distance darkened to keep the obviousness of the teeth hidden until Han says "this is no cave" and then reveal them as leia looks out the cokpit
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Ripplin said:They can jazz it up all they want, but it still looks boring. Haha. And it doesn't change the fact that the planet is a giant desert. Plus, Luke is growing up and wants to stretch his legs.
Well, I thought it was boring in the original, but now thanks to the Special Editions and the prequels it's now bursting with activity and excitement! You got stadiums that hold Pod Racing events, ships flying in every angle of the sky, space pilots talking stories about Angels to little boys, and we even have a whole city of people who don't give a crap about the Empire singing in the streets with joy and happiness the moment the Empire falls. It's not that bad. heck, it's almost Vegas! That to me is a very boring place.
Oh, you do realize that there are many people in this world who live in deserts, don't you?
All this talk about rearranging all of the Executor bridge shots and creating a whole new building for the Vader/Luke duel to take place in reminds me of when this was basically going to be a color correction / restoration to the 1980 pacing. Now it sounds like the 510 pictures showing the visual changes in ANHR are going to be nothing compared to all of the visual changes and tweaks Ady is announcing now.
I can't wait to see them all.
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ImperialFighter said:Monroville - you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you? ;)
Yeah, yeah I know... I kinda deserve it.
But unlike Kurgan and the great "blue TIE fighter debate" I don't keep bashing on about something 10+ posts in. Like I've stated before, I will go 3 posts on any subject and leave it at that.
And as far as my previous comments, they are exactly that: just comments. Ady, you ARE doing this for yourself and showing you are a proper fan. You don't do this stuff frivolously nor quickly. It is nice you are listening to others out there to make this the best presentation possible, but ultimately this is a personal project and there is nothing wrong with that. So please don't get TOO mad at me, because while I may not be a part of the choir I still applaud the conductor.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
More Menacing Teeth? like a cave maybe?
-Angel
ImperialFighter said:
I think Vaderios is close here, but you could still keep the more "triangular" shape of the teeth, but include the texture of the stalactites. I also agree with another poster in that you could darken the inside of the mouth or change the coloring from the pink to something more brownish.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
That. Was. AWESOME. A simulpost of a suggestion coming AFTER the implementation.
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Monroville said:
I think Vaderios is close here, but you could still keep the more "triangular" shape of the teeth, but include the texture of the stalactites.
It supposed the edges to be a bit "eaten" because of the nature of the creature.It eats spaceships for living. It should have a bit more round edges ;)
-Angel
vaderios said:More Menacing Teeth? like a cave maybe?
-Angel
That bottom shot looks fantastic
however I cant see this one being possible with the following puppet shot! no matter how stiff the puppeteers hand movement is
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
vaderios said:Monroville said:
I think Vaderios is close here, but you could still keep the more "triangular" shape of the teeth, but include the texture of the stalactites.
It supposed the edges to be a bit "eaten" because of the nature of the creature.It eats spaceships for living. It should have a bit more round edges ;)
-Angel
Heh, heh, true... it's teeth wouldn't exactly be in very good shape. Maybe if you could still keep the triangular shape but make them jagged (to account for the spaceship munching) with rows of other stalactite teeth (ala the shark suggestion)...
So what would a Space Slug brush his teeth with? And can you imagine the amount of toothpaste he would need to get out THOSE stains?
You know, I'm surprised that the Space Slug wasn't CGed with the SE edition of EMPIRE, considering the advances in monster tech (JURRASSIC PARK, the yet to come GODZILLA, etc)
Another idea: when the MF escapes the Space Slug in the long shot, maybe the texture of the SS could be improved as well as add some dust and debris shoot out from the cave entrance as the Space Slug lunges out to gulp down the MF.
Shut your mouth!
I'm just talkin' about the Millenium Falcon!
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
That reminds me the Robot Chicken episode that the two space worms are ordring 2 million pizzas from a delivery.
Well. That mockup was made fast. I dont know in the next days how i can provide with more concepts because of uni/job/life :)
-Angel
perhaps this could be adys cameo opportunity? though i dont know if he has a camera small enough to put in his mouth!
BarBar Jinkx said:however I cant see this one being possible with the following puppet shot! no matter how stiff the puppeteers hand movement is
A good idea is to take some shots from A L I E N and put them there :)
-Angel
Could you do a render of the exterior shot?
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Terror damn it :P no more Movies for children
-Angel
Hmmm Gnarly 
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