STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 222

I just watched them explode a piano on Mythbusters and it got me thinking; are you going to leave the power generator explosion as-is, or have you found something better yet? Any news on a possible new model for the generator, too?

I dont think this has been mentioned but if it has Im sorry. Adywan are you fixing the Stromtrooper shoulder armor thing?

In the establishing shot of Han and crew being led into the Carbon Freezing chamber there is a Stromtrooper in motion whose shoulder armor is down around his elbow

ImperialFighter said:

adywan said:

Well i have solved the issue i was having with the placement of the Executor bridge and the control room. It came to me the other night when i was looking at the final shot in the movie of Vader waking off the bridge and down some steps. Why not change the background to include the control room. this would explain how Vader got to the control room from the bridge in the probe droid report sequence. All i had to do was change the background for the final shot and add steps to the wide bridge matte shots. sorted.

"All I had to do...."  Heh, heh, you make it sound so easy Adywan!  Great stuff once again.  This entirely ties-in with what I always imagined as being the general layout, when we first see the Bridge in the movie, now.

Same here.  This is exactly the setup I always imagined, thanks for making my imagination right!

That is hilarious though, "All I had to do."  "You know all those shots where they're weren't stairs?  Yeah, I added some."

Yes the lights will be good addition and will add more detail.

Still ImpFighter the glow of Luke is to bright and is not only shows the matte lines but is a bit fake.

If you want to see it with its deeper meaning dark versus light then Vader has to have the advadange over luke.

Ady has the last word :)

-Angel

Sevb32 said:

I posted this SD bridge layout from the SW Tech journal earlier in the thread and I don't think anyone reacted to it at all, or even seen it.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/swtj/bridgeblue.jpg

For some reason this pic is wrong. i mean i had the same problem when i do the 3d placement of the bridge. Because when vader sees luke from the side windows is supposed to be nothing there but wall.

-Angel

Monroville said:

adywan said:

Now onto the Carbon chamber issue. I was looking over your plans to have the chamber at the top of the shaft but this creates more problems than it solves. That is a hell of a long way for Luke to travel to find Vader and really doesn't make sense. Why would Vader run all that way away from Luke just to lure him to the vane? All that needs doing is redesigning the actual vane so it can contain the carbon chamber at the top and explain where the corridors that led them to the chamber disappeared to. Its quite plain to see now i have gone through the Luke jumping down from the chamber to the pipe that you can clearly see that behind him is the base of the carbon chamber as the architecture and piping is very similar. It is meant to be one complete sequence as you see Luke drop from the chamber (even though you can clearly see that he jumps from hanging onto a pole in the first few frames of the pipe sequence, but this was just to simulate his drop during filming). So this means that the carbon chamber is indeed meant to be built into the vane. Now it looks like i'll have to build some sort of model for the vane shot and do a lot of redesigning, but at the same time keeping the look of the original. 

Fair enough, but will you make the connecting arm to the Vane thicker to account for having to hold up the weight of the Vane itself?  I guess that's one reason I never thought the carbon chamber was in the vane itself but either above it or within the shaft wall, and that the tunnel Luke went through was the connecting rod TO the vane - the connecting post to the vane/pod (whatever you call it) just didn't look strong enough to support a structure other than something that was mostly empty or a bunch of corridors.

To further address your points Ady:

(1) as far as Vader leading Luke a few hundred meters or more from the carbonite chamber to the Pods below them, it is not hard to take into consideration that if that was Vader's only choice as far as a secondary trap to set for Luke, then Vader would have no choice but to lead Luke to the pod.   Cloud City is a pretty big place, and some things may not be conveniently close by just for Luke to go from one dead end to another.  This is Cloud City, not The Cube.

Regardless,

(2) when you say that after watching it, it is apparent that the tunnel he goes into is directly below the carbonite chamber, that's what I thought as well for a while (which is why in an earlier post I suggested adding the bluish lighting and maybe some smoke effects to that area Luke is coming from, being that the carbonite chamber was surrounded in a bluish haze).



The problem is just matching the carbonite chamber directly to the pod makes no geographical sense.  Regardless, it doesn't necessarily mean the carbonite chamber is IN the pod. Here are some images to further illustrate what I am referring to:

The carbonite chamber can only be in one of three places:



(A) the area I illustrated earlier, being above the pods (though I still see your point, as the back of the tunnel DOES match the set design of the carbonite chamber.  Even so, we don't need to see Luke go through every stairway or tunnel to realize he is moving through a city to get from one important room to another - we only need to see the important stuff)




(B) the carbonite chamber is within the wall of the main shaft, and the connecting rod to the pod is the tunnel Luke enters.  If this is the case, the connecting rod will have to be moved up to match the angle of the tunnel as well as connect to the pod where the window he comes out of is located.


 



(C) the carbonite chamber is indeed located within the pod up above the window.  The problem here is that even without any gantryways (as shown in the Ralph McQuarrie painting, as well as the fairly poor "forced perspective" props used on the set) the carbonite chamber set is pretty big.  Using Vader (who is roughly 7 feet tall) as a standard of measurement, you would have to add a large cap onto the pod to account for not only the size of the set, but that the set was surrounded by at least a 15 to 25 foot open air area to allow for the blue haze and the fact we could not see the background walls.  Even with a fog, the back walls would have to be far enough away for the fog to eliminate any details, especially any back wall lighting.



- to further add to this, even with Vaderios' modification of the thickness of the Pod, it is still way too thin to account for the carbonite chamber if it is within the Pod, not to mention that if the carbonite chamber is directly above the window Luke is thrown out of (as we can see here), there should be a large bubble or disc visible directly above said window to again account for the proximity and large size of the carbonite chamber.

You may want to also consider (1) making the connecting boom thicker to account for the weight of the pod it has to hold up.  Yes, STAR WARS has artificial gravity generators and all that stuff (and maybe that is what the fins on the bottom of the pod are for), but it still looks flimsy if it is holding up an actual "steel mill" of sorts.

Also i won't be extending the actual carbon chamber in any way. Although it does look pretty cool in the McQuarrie paintings i feel that the limitations reached during filming actually helped the scene and gave that claustrophobic feel that this scene needs. Make the chamber look to big with all these extending platforms and your treading too close into PT  territory for my liking. if you look at the PT everything is just so expansive and flashy which just became a show piece and did nothing to help create any sort of mood for the scene. Less can be more.

In regards to this, while again I understand that this is your edit, and if I or others want to do something different it is up to us to learn Vegas and After Effects and do our own thing, I am still perplexed by this.

What was the planet below the Death Star in ANH:R?  Or even the Lucas added X-wing fly-by, or your added TIE fly-by, or the Mos Eisley CG overhead view?  None of that was really necessary to the story telling, but that is almost beside the point.  Lucas did what he did to test ILM's new CGI rendering to see what he could do for a possible set of Prequels.  I am sure you did what you did just to add some of your own creativity and imagination.





I do not see how including something like Vaderios' rendering (of course, a more thorough one) could HURT the story telling process if we are going to have a pretty but unnecessary Cloud City CGI fly-by of Leia's Cloud City apartment, among other SE added elements.  It's as if you bounce back-and-forth between the SE and the purist editions at will sometimes, making arguments that counter previous arguments (you made an argument earlier I believe that you wanted to make these closer to what was envisioned, thus no EU stuff.  Well, if McQ and Kirshner envisioned the carbonite chamber as having gantryways going off into the distance, wouldn't you be going against their intentions now?)  Not to mention: how can something be claustrophobic if there is an obvious "open-air' environment surrounding the carbonite chamber?

This is not to get pissy (okay, maybe a little), it is just a little confusing as to what the real objective of this is all about.... other than the obvious (that you're doing it for yourself)

The second drawing isnt bad at all. Considering Vader was playing mind games to luke.Ofcourse the tunel that enders mr Skywalker should be more big and revealing.

Nice Monronville :)

-Angel

Luke Vader said:

Really nice work so far Ady !

I was just wondering if you were planning on fixing the Vader hologram in the AT-AT cause it looks pretty bad as it is now  :P

maybe someone who owns a screen accurate vader suit could help you

Hope someone has good relations with the 501st department. These guys are always willful to offer help 

-Angel

Any suggestions?

The last image i put a door to make it that Mr Skywalker is aproaching somewhere. Maybe this door opens...

-Angel

rcb said:I came across something that's been bugging me for awhile. After Luke lands on Dagobah (and sets up camp), he says, "There's something familiar about this place." What the heck does he mean? Did he see it in a vision? or did Obi-wan take him there for a visit when he was a youngling? I never figured that out. So, can we lose that line?

He says after that line, "I feel like...(Yoda: "Feel Like What?")...Like we're being watched !"

That's why he feels like it's 'familiar'...or at least that's what I've always thought.

Luke Vader said:

maybe someone who owns a screen accurate vader suit could help you

Apparently, Ady made himself a Vader suit, but I dunno how complete it is. Perhaps he could show us? ;)