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I don't know if this specific one has come up yet, but I know there's posts back there about the whole Wampa scene, but...

In the original version, the music syncs to the saber inching its way out of the snow when Luke is trying to use the Force to grab it. In the SE, that sync is gone, the music is just run over the scene in general. So, would there be a way to keep the SE version of the scene with more Wampa but also restore that music sync with the saber?

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Why would you want more Wampa?

Less is more.

Here is maybe a small thing Ady could look at:

There was two AT-AT crews filmed, but only one in the final cut. The top shot has General Veers in the cockpit with the crew, and the bottom shot has the explosion of the rebel generator from Veer's cockpit. But the AT-AT drivers are different.

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Sluggo - I never noticed the difference in those shots before! Yes, bring back those red helmet markings please Adywan. ( or were they meant to be a different crew? - I can't remember ) - I must check this out tonight.
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Sluggo said:

Why would you want more Wampa?

Less is more.



and none would be infinitely better perhaps!:D .....but damaging to the story i guess.:P

wasn't it just put in because mark hamill had a car crash and his face looked a bit red?
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ben_danger said:

Sluggo said:

Why would you want more Wampa?

Less is more.



and none would be infinitely better perhaps!:D .....but damaging to the story i guess.:P

wasn't it just put in because mark hamill had a car crash and his face looked a bit red?
He had a severely broken nose which was never to look the same again, and some facial scars, most noticeable near his upper lip.

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Mielr said:

He had a severely broken nose which was never to look the same again, and some facial scars, most noticeable near his upper lip.


dare we ask ady to unbreak his nose then for empire and rotj?...... then again i guess its an indirect form of method acting.

does anyone know if there were any scenes filmed before the accident that chronologically appear later in the film?
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ben_danger said:

Mielr said:

He had a severely broken nose which was never to look the same again, and some facial scars, most noticeable near his upper lip.


dare we ask ady to unbreak his nose then for empire and rotj?...... then again i guess its an indirect form of method acting.

does anyone know if there were any scenes filmed before the accident that chronologically appear later in the film?

Hamill's nose was broken before SW was released, so.....no. As a matter of fact, there were still some close-ups that GL wanted to shoot of Mark before filming wrapped on SW, but Mark's face was too badly damaged to do them, so they had to shoot some long-shots to fill in, using a double.

He looks so dramatically different pre/post accident, I don't think there's anyway they could combine footage.

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Interesting info, Mielr. I had to explain the whole car accident thing to my mother before, but I didn't know those details. She would say something like "he was cute in the first one, but looks so different in ESB and ROTJ. What happened?" I told her what I knew; car accident, face damaged. Now I can give her another detail about it.

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Mielr said:

As a matter of fact, there were still some close-ups that GL wanted to shoot of Mark before filming wrapped on SW, but Mark's face was too badly damaged to do them, so they had to shoot some long-shots to fill in, using a double.


Do you know what scenes these were?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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If I remember correctly, Mark Hamill had his car accident towards the end of filming for Star Wars which is where some of the apparently long shots would have been. All of the long shots would have been for the various reshoots that would have occurred after the end of principal filming. For Empire, the wampa scene was written to try and explain off the facial injuries...and made reasonably successful use of an otherwise traumatic injury.

I do remember reading an article about this somewhere and it was also mentioned in Once Upon A Galaxy as well.
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Yeah, I think it was for some pick-up shots (or whatever they're called) that they didn't have time to do in Tunisia. If I'm not mistaken they ended up being the long shots of Luke and 3p0 in the landspeeder (which I guess were originally to include some close-ups of Mark). They were shot in the desert in California or Nevada I believe. I think I read in the new "making of" book that he had the accident the night before he was scheduled to shoot the scenes.
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Mielr said:

As a matter of fact, there were still some close-ups that GL wanted to shoot of Mark before filming wrapped on SW, but Mark's face was too badly damaged to do them, so they had to shoot some long-shots to fill in, using a double.


Do you know what scenes these were?

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One thing that has always bothered me is the teeth on the asteroid worm. Either the Falcon magically shrinks in the next shot or the teeth about to close get much bigger. The scale does not match from those shots.
Maybe keep the new wampa shots but only after Luke slices it's arm, that way we don't see the creature until Luke does.
I don't believe the compositing of the two Tie's crashing into the narrow walls from the asteroid chase was fixed.
If you keep the new shot of the Falcon flying through the Cloud City to the docking bay, is there any way to make it look less flat and uniformly sharp. (with more light or shadow) It wasn't a bad idea by Lucas but the CG is just too obvious.
If you keep the Cloud City flyby after Luke leaves Dagobah, be sure to make the music match up better to the original version. It sort of stops in the middle with the new scene.
As for Ackbar photoshopped to yell "It's a trap." In the real scene, doesn't Luke walk into the same door that Leia and Lando do? So why do they end up in different places. I don't know if this is a goof, it's just something that's always confused me.

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Knightmessenger said:

As for Ackbar photoshopped to yell "It's a trap." In the real scene, doesn't Luke walk into the same door that Leia and Lando do? So why do they end up in different places. I don't know if this is a goof, it's just something that's always confused me.


Yes, he does. However, it's completely possible that he just happened to walk to a different area, or somehting. (We never really see much of that room/hallway).

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Knightmessenger said:

As for Ackbar photoshopped to yell "It's a trap." In the real scene, doesn't Luke walk into the same door that Leia and Lando do? So why do they end up in different places. I don't know if this is a goof, it's just something that's always confused me.


Evidently it WAS a trap ;)
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i guess the whole movie was just one trap after another, which lead me to think...

THE RULE OF THE TWO, "No more than two sith may be present at any time"

therefor when the emperor and vader are debating about luke being "turned", they must also be aware that one of them is going to kill the other one....(even though both of them openly suggest it at some point)

the only solution to this is that the emperor may not have told vader about this? or would he have known from his jedi teachings?

or would thay have disposed of tis rule....

(or the *annoying* fact that lucas kinda made it up after ESB)
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I think the 'rule of two' is more of a sociological observation than an actual rule. If there's more than two, they'll end up ganging up on one of them, which is exactly what happens in ESB and ROTJ. The Emperor wants to replace Vader with Luke, and Vader wants to overthrow the Emperor with Luke at his side.

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Ripplin said:

I just heard this 'rule of two' thing on MADtv on Saturday. I still don't know what it means, really. Can anyone supply a good link to explain it? (or just do it themselves if they have a minute)


Yoda in TPM says "Always two there are, no more, no less. A master, and an apprentice." The EU story goes that there were once thousands of Sith until they all tried to kill each other, nearly driving them to extinction. The only Sith left (I'm trying to do this without looking up anything, so I don't know his name) took one apprentice, and it pretty much became a rule from then on that there would only be two so they wouldn't be too tempted to just wipe each other out. It's assumed that if the apprentice was taking an apprentice, then the master was on his way out. The problem is that according to the EU, Vader had at least two apprentices and was actively searching for Luke to be his next and Palpatine had at least two others also. Maybe they were going to repopulate the Sith after 2000 years.

Or the EU isn't worth it anymore.

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Mielr said:

Yeah, I think it was for some pick-up shots (or whatever they're called) that they didn't have time to do in Tunisia. If I'm not mistaken they ended up being the long shots of Luke and 3p0 in the landspeeder (which I guess were originally to include some close-ups of Mark). They were shot in the desert in California or Nevada I believe. I think I read in the new "making of" book that he had the accident the night before he was scheduled to shoot the scenes.
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Mielr said:

As a matter of fact, there were still some close-ups that GL wanted to shoot of Mark before filming wrapped on SW, but Mark's face was too badly damaged to do them, so they had to shoot some long-shots to fill in, using a double.


Do you know what scenes these were?


I think "Skywalking" expands on this a bit, though it's a decade since I read it, could be wrong.

I've always suspected that the shot of Luke lying by the speeder, head away from camera, is a double since when Ben turns up for the 2-shot Luke's head is in a different position (IIRC). It's pretty common to use doubles anyway for shots where they can give the "major talent" some time off because we can't see their face. So it might not be related to Hamill's injury.
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Just recently downloaded star wars revisited and I love it. Thanks a lot for the best version I have seen to date.

As for as corrections to ESB that I would like to see

I agree with the wampa scene. Less is more. The shot of it screaming after loosing its arm should be removed.

I like the idea of more forces at the battle of hoth. Especially when you think about that there were only 4 Walkers, and the rebels took out three, but were loosing the battle.

Similar to ANH vader with his chest lights, (if is hasn't been mentioned already), Boba Fett's chest lights are not always working. Outside the torture chamber they are not moving, but do in the carbonite scene. Inconsistent throughout.

In the interior shot of Slave 1 when following the MF to bespin, we see fett with his range finder down, which gives the impression that he is looking at some small monitor on it, either a tracking/targeting screen, but we see nothing.

In carbonite scene Fett's knees are flipped upside down in a few shots.

When they are putting Han in the Slave 1, Fetts, last scene, he is missing the view screen from his range finder

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Hi everyone.

Adywan, first of all congratulations for your work. Since the 2004 DVD release I was thinking someday I would make some of the things you've allready done with ep IV. You were fastest ;)


There are things for Empire I think have to be updated:
(I don't mention the obvious ones like sabers, colour corrections, laser blasts, etc)

- I would love to see cg tweaks on the taun tauns. Is there any chance on improving the stop motion look by adding inbetween frames? I always imagined it could be done by using some morph software to interpolate frames.

- Hoth battle needs to be huger. Since geonosis got on-screen I think hoth needs more visual epic. I mean more ATATs, speeders, bike speeders, probe droids, etc.. (as someone posted before)

- "you are lucky you don't taste good" line is better than the new one. As simple as that.

- When our heroes exit the Falcon to meet Lando at the platform, the background doesn't match with the new Cg landscapes seen during the aproach. Is it posible to replace/tweak it? I mean new buildings or more realistic window lights, you know.

- On dagobah, It always pissed me off that those were real life snakes, lizards, etc.. Maybe strange colour corrections, or cg tweaks like adding antennas, insect wings. shinny eyes or something... (maybe luminscent parts, like deep ocean fishes) Here it is not absolutely necessary 3d working.

- Please, tweaks on the bounty hunters, specially the lizard and Ig8.

- At the end, when Lando is in the Falcon there's an aproach shot of the Falcon but we cannot see Lando trough the window and the ligths doesn't match with the next shot of the interior of the Falcon.

. Also, in the final shot when the rebel ship is moving, we can see Luke, Leia and the droids trough the window but the perspective for the room is fake. Looks like a stiker put on the ship model. Is it possible to fix that?


Things I like the way they are:

- I think the blue tone of hoth works quite well. It helps to difference it from other locations (like ship interiors)

- Bobba fett's new voice. He is a clone. It helps consistency.



Those are brief ideas. If something new comes to my mind I'll post it.


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After skimming the past 22 pages I compiled a short list of suggestions already made to help keep from repeating the same suggestions again (121 total suggestions).

-Color Correction entire movie
-Touch up all lasers and Lightsaber colors and blasts
-Restore music score
-Fix all starships/craft shadows
-Add tracks in snow from Taun-Taun
-Add emotes to Taun-Taun's
-Insert FX of Probe entering Hoth's atmosphere
-Fix Prop Droids crash landing (remove fire)
-Remove boom mike reflection in Luke's Goggles
-Remove crew members hair in shot
-Articulate Wampa more
-Remove Puppeteers arm from Wampa
-Reedit Wampa scene
-Fix Sound bite of Lightsaber deactivation
-Fix A. Daniels neck showing
-Fix Shield doors starting to close before Audio Clip
-Fix Obi-Wan's ghost to remain transparent
-Add more display to Snowspeeder's instrument panels
-Add Red hint to Bacta Tank for continuity
-Fix Probe shooting at Chewbacca (closer to his location)
-Fix location of Droid Han tells to 'wait a minute' (it doesn't wait)
-Add FX shot of Stardestroyer's coming out of lightspeed
-Add FX shot of a more threatening Imperial Fleet at Hoth system
-Add FX shot of AT-AT's landing on Hoth
-Add more AT-ST/AT-AT's to Hoth Battle
-Add red interior (or view screen) for AT-AT to match exterior model
-Add scorch marks to AT-AT's where shot by lasers
-Fix transparent Snowspeeder shots
-Remove support stick holding AT-AT model as it falls
-Reedit Rebels Running at fallen AT-AT for no reason
-Add Camera shake to Luke's Snowspeeder Crash
-Add FX of more escaping rebels from Hoth
-Fix AT-AT's laser shot hitting snow then rebel falling dead
-Fix Matte painting of Shield generator + explosion
-Fix Vader's Chest lights to move when entering Rebel base
-Fix jump-cut Snowtrooper's being shot by MF
-Add FX enviroment reaction from MF engine thrust as it exits hanger
-Fix MF engine glow from gold to blue
-Add Luke's X-Wing traveling through hyperspace
-Stabilize R2 text read out on X-Wing (make readable)
-Fix R2 black/blue panels in Space shots
-Add more TIE fighters chasing the MF
-Add more maneuvers to MF as it is being chased by TIE Fighters
-Add camera shake to Stardestroyer's shield collision
-Fix FX asteroids (Matte lines)
-Remove 'explosions/fire' of asteroids colliding, add debris
-Add explosions were laser shots hit asteroids
-Fix Laser shots that disappear without hitting anything
-Redo explosion of TIE fighters through asteroid crevice
-Fix FX of MF being upside down, but right side up in cockpit shot
-Fix FX shot of Dagobah planet to look less like Hoth
-Add Camera shake to Luke's X-Wing crash on Dagobah
-Fix flexing ground movement on Dagobah
-Restore Luke's "..don't taste very good" Audio bite
-Fix Harrison Mouthing Leia's lines
-Add missing push button off Luke's Lightsaber
-Fix 3P0's costume breaking when interrupting Han/Leia kiss
-Fix FX shot of Stardestroyer explosion when hit with asteroid
-New Emperor hologram & reedit scene
-Add damage to asteroids from Bombers
-Add FX shot of Mynocks
-Replace Tool in Han's Hand w/Blaster
-Add Laser shot hitting Mynock
-Restore Laser Audio bite from Chewies bowcaster
-Add movement for animal running away after Luke 'steps' on it
-Fix Luke's Lighsaber glow to match activation sound
-Fix jump-cut of Vader's mask exploding to reveal Luke
-Add Emotes to aliens/bounty hunters/Yoda
-Fix Lt. Commander rank pins/cylinders
-Fix Piets location jump
-Restore Boba Fett's voice Audio
-Remove wire holding force floating rock
-Fix Yoda's eyes to be looking at Luke
-Replace Needa's shuttle with Lambda-Class T-4A Shuttle
-Fix Needa eye blink after being killed
-Fix Needa to a dead weight when being carried off
-Fix Anthony breathing in costume while 3P0 is shut down
-Add Star system chart shot searching for Bespin
-Add FX to Fett's range finder display screen when down
-Lengthen distance between Slave 1 following MF
-Add traffic to Bespin skyline
-Fix identical clouds in Bespin shots
-Remove Matte lines from MF
-Fix Bespin background shots for continuity
-Fix FX of Bespin City
-Add 3P0 coming down stairs
-Fix Stormtrooper's' voice audio before 3P0 is shot
-Fix Crew reflection in 3P0's head in junk room scene
-Fix windows for continuity
-Fix Boba Fett's Chest lights outside torture chamber
-Fix Stormtrooper helmet being lifted up by Han
-Fix Stormtrooper's shoulder pad in Carbon Chamber
-Fix Fett's knee guards upside down Carbon Chamber scene
-Add ambient Lightsaber light
-Remove Chewie's growling Audio while choking Lando
-Fett's range finder screen is missing putting Solo in cargo hold
-Fix backdrops for Slave 1 and MF docking platforms
-Add clear window to Slave 1
-Remove Luke's head popping up when jumping down off screen
-Fix Jump-cut of steal tube doors closing behind Luke
-Add Lightsaber to Luke's hand as he goes out the window
-Fix Stunt man to look more like Luke
-Remove 'squib' from Stormtrooper's chest
-Restore sound bit of Lando's mic effect
-Remove marker on wall where laser shot will hit
-Fix laser shots hitting walls same spot twice
-Add MF landing gear retracting when taking off from Bespin
-Add leaving ships after evacuation announcement
-Reedit Bespin evacuation shots
-Add Lightsaber Scortch marlks on walls/railings
-Add Lightsaber burn to Vader's shoulder after Luke hits it
-Fix Luke's severed wrist to correct location
-Restore Vader's line "Bring my Shuttle" Audio bite
-Remove Vader shuttle docking scene
-Fix 3P0's hand location holdling severed leg
-Add Lando to MF cockpit at Medical Frigate
-Fix FX shot of Luke's mechanical arm
-Add Movement to Medial Droid
-Fix FX of interior shot of Medical Frigate pull back
-Reedit End credits to include unaccredited people
-Add FX shot of DSII construction (if shown at all, best to do it after the credits)
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"Lengthen distance between Slave 1 following MF"

I like that one! I know it's a long way off, as it should be, but I'm pretty excited about this one. We've had lots of preservations of Empire, but I can't think of any large scale re-editings of it. And judging by the care Ady put into ANH, this should make a nearly perfect movie nearly perfecter! ;)

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I agree, It doesn't really need to be obvious that he is following them cuz the betrayel at Bespin should be shocking. - Eve n tho we get a taste that something isn't quite right.

-Remove Luke's head when jumping down off screen
When was this?