TMBTM said:Just a thought about the moving mask thing: in ROTJ when the Ewoks fight inside the biped walker, the imperial soldier also have an obvious moving plastic helmett.
???WTF??? I don't get what you are saying!
I've never had too many real big issues with lightsabers in the SW films except for A New Hope, which IMO Ady fixed very well... I mean, it's either fat lightsabers, or the junk that Lucas wouldn't fix.
The lightsabers were a bit fat in ROTJ, but they truly don't bother me that much... Gosh, Ady, are you gonna try and mask that? Are you gonna do some kind of reflection effect? If i'm even making sense. lol
Ripplin said:Seems like it would be a lot of trouble to go to. Sure, the reflections were cool in the PT because they had the ability to do it, but it's not something that ever bothered me about the OT. I found it was the shadows cast that stood out more.
This, this, this. Something made of light or plasma or whatever shouldn't cast a shadow. The biggest offender in my book is in RotJ when Vader is walking up the Emperor's stairs towards Luke before he was unwise to lower his defences. Vader has the saber in front of him, then swings it out to the side, and it casts a stick shadow on the ground. Also when Vader and Luke are having their final swings towards The Pit its pretty bad. I don't recall any in ESB.
Ady, are you planning on eliminating lightsaber shadows when you can?
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doubleofive said:Ripplin said:Seems like it would be a lot of trouble to go to. Sure, the reflections were cool in the PT because they had the ability to do it, but it's not something that ever bothered me about the OT. I found it was the shadows cast that stood out more.
This, this, this. Something made of light or plasma or whatever shouldn't cast a shadow. The biggest offender in my book is in RotJ when Vader is walking up the Emperor's stairs towards Luke before he was unwise to lower his defences. Vader has the saber in front of him, then swings it out to the side, and it casts a stick shadow on the ground. Also when Vader and Luke are having their final swings towards The Pit its pretty bad. I don't recall any in ESB.
Ady, are you planning on eliminating lightsaber shadows when you can?
Funny thing is you can see the shadows in most of the shots, but in at least one (not a close up) shot from when Luke is holding it near Vader's throat as he lies on the ground, there is no shadow at all.
TMBTM said:Just a thought about the moving mask thing: in ROTJ when the Ewoks fight inside the biped walker, the imperial soldier also have an obvious moving plastic helmett.
"???WTF??? I don't get what you are saying!"
Lol, sorry, I'm french, sometimes it's hard to make myself clear. I just wanted to say that, in ROTJ, the imperial soldier who is attacked by 2 Ewoks inside the biped walker (don't know how you call it in english) also have a helmet (and not "helmett", sorry again) that really looks like cheap plastic.
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(1) as far as the wobbly Vader helmet in EMPIRE after he chops off Luke's hand, I would lock the helmet down. Remember earlier they show a machine LOCK his helmet into place when we see the back of his head. This would mean his "outer helmet" is locked onto the rest of the face mask, which would make it stable and not move in the wind.
(2) the helmets worn by the imperial soldiers in JEDI were worn loosely to begin with, thus would wobble. I would still consider locking the helmets down, as this further contributes to the "goofy" and the "look, if you're not going to take this seriously, then I'm outta here" vibe that JEDI gives off so well (which is why JEDI will be a bitch to fix).
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TMBTM said:TMBTM said:Just a thought about the moving mask thing: in ROTJ when the Ewoks fight inside the biped walker, the imperial soldier also have an obvious moving plastic helmett.
"???WTF??? I don't get what you are saying!"
Lol, sorry, I'm french, sometimes it's hard to make myself clear. I just wanted to say that, in ROTJ, the imperial soldier who is attacked by 2 Ewoks inside the biped walker (don't know how you call it in english) also have a helmet (and not "helmett", sorry again) that really looks like cheap plastic.
Oh. I am sorry to get on you, but the helmets are net meant to be made of metal, But I will look at that scene.
This, this, this. Something made of light or plasma or whatever shouldn't cast a shadow. The biggest offender in my book is in RotJ when Vader is walking up the Emperor's stairs towards Luke before he was unwise to lower his defences. Vader has the saber in front of him, then swings it out to the side, and it casts a stick shadow on the ground. Also when Vader and Luke are having their final swings towards The Pit its pretty bad. I don't recall any in ESB.
Ady, are you planning on eliminating lightsaber shadows when you can?
That shadow appears and to ROTS too,in the very first lightsaber battle with Dooku. When obi-kenobi get pushed by Dooku you can see the pod shadow.
Sevb32 said:doubleofive said:Ripplin said:Seems like it would be a lot of trouble to go to. Sure, the reflections were cool in the PT because they had the ability to do it, but it's not something that ever bothered me about the OT. I found it was the shadows cast that stood out more.
This, this, this. Something made of light or plasma or whatever shouldn't cast a shadow. The biggest offender in my book is in RotJ when Vader is walking up the Emperor's stairs towards Luke before he was unwise to lower his defences. Vader has the saber in front of him, then swings it out to the side, and it casts a stick shadow on the ground. Also when Vader and Luke are having their final swings towards The Pit its pretty bad. I don't recall any in ESB.
Ady, are you planning on eliminating lightsaber shadows when you can?
Funny thing is you can see the shadows in most of the shots, but in at least one (not a close up) shot from when Luke is holding it near Vader's throat as he lies on the ground, there is no shadow at all.
It is quite possible that Bob Anderson didn't have any stick pointed at his throat, and that the blade was added by ILM later on in post-prod :)
And to come back to ESB (I don't recall having read it before on the forum), is it planned to add any flashes in the overhead shot when Luke and Vader are fighting on the bridge (before Luke falls and Vader says "It is useless to resist"), because I don't see any of these flashes when sabres hit each other. Just checked it out again to be sure :)
And also to fix the X or Y-wing fighter in the last scene (2nd shot, when the medical fregate enters the shot and fighters fly along with it) that disappears something like 2 frames before the end of the shot.
Thanks for listening :)
Please take the wobble out of Vader's helmet.....that thing is secured pretty tight at the end of ROTS, I remember hearing a big suction sound and a lock down type sound....the wobble looks very cheap and plasticy....
I'm not sure I quite understand why Lightsabers (a fantasy weapon of unknown, at least in the G-canon, composition) should not cast shadows.
In real life if you light a candle, you can see that the flame itself casts a shadow. The lightsaber blade, whatever it is, behaves as a solid object. It appears to block light even as it "glows" a bit itself, so it casting a shadow really doesn't seem that odd to me.
Sometimes they don't have shadows in the movies, but most of the time they do, as others have said, even in the prequels.
Likewise, I am not too excited about seeing everyone having a huge colored glow cast on their face from the blade they're holding (wouldn't that mean they're holding it too close?)
When the whole lightsaber thickness/whatever issue came up, I started thinking about some of the morbidly obese ones in ROTJ, and the more I think about it, I'm not sure what Adywan could do about it. He's a wiz, but man...that just seems like a HUGE amount of work, especially in scenes that aren't really dark and easy to cut them down a bit.
But that's just more non-ESB talk. :p
Could someone post a shot of the rotj ones? I never noticed them but did immediatly in ANH-R.
DarthRayne said:Could someone post a shot of the rotj ones? I never noticed them but did immediatly in ANH-R.
You don't own a copy of ROTJ to check yourself?
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I wouldn't expect anyone to.
It's pretty much always Luke's saber. A couple of times when it's particularly big are in the skiff scenes (pretty much as soon as he stars swinging) and that side shot scene of Luke and Vader right after Vader talks about Leia. Those are the first scenes I think of, anyway.
Hey Ady & everyone - cool to be back in this thread.....
I'd really like to see Vader's helmet locked down in EsB as others have mentioned.
Ady - you seem to be leaning toward leaving it as (which is cool as well) but I wonder what you think about maybe making it wobble only slightly yet still maintain a feel of rigidity?
Also, this may have already been mentioned but will you be slightly altering the scene where Vader tosses objects at Luke so that Luke actually hits a few of them instead of just swatting at them?
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I don't know if this has been said since there are 170 pages to read through but what I would like to see get fixed is:
1: When the stormtroopers drops Han off in the detetion cell the trooper on our right ( Han's left ) almost looses his helmet.
2: A new explosion scene made for when the snowtroopers blast their way into the rebel base, the explosion seem so bad, like a wobby star trek set from the 60's, perhaps make it more grand?
3: A bigger ground battle when the AT-AT's attack the rebel base, it seems so small and the explosions so few and not that harmful, would like to see it be upped to a more Epic style of battle, More lasers, troopers, ships and intensity.
Would be fun to see a AT-AT actually debark its troopers ( like Veers orders ) see Snowtroopers on the battlefield and perhaps blasting their way into the base.
4: To make the Mynocks inside the space slug look less "puppety" and to perhaps give added depth to the environment there? also perhaps do something about their breather apparatus, it looks a bit strange.. like there's something missing.
5: And something that I have always wondered about, the Ion cannon on Hoth, should it's bolts not be blue?
6: The Destroyer that gets hit by Hoths Ion cannon should have better FX as it gets hit.
what do you guys think?
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DarthRayne said:Could someone post a shot of the rotj ones? I never noticed them but did immediatly in ANH-R.
Now all these were captured when the lightsaber is absolutely still so no extra thickness due to movement. As you can see The thickness of the lightsabers changes in ESB but in ROTJ the sabers are pretty thick, much thicker than the ones in ANH:R. Don't forget that for ANH they used reflective strip on the sabers to produce the core glow, whcih produced all the jagged edges and varying thickness's which i had to attempt to cover up, but for ESB & ROTJ they rotoscoped the blades so there really shouldn't have been a problem with the thickness. All the images were captured from the GOUt so they have always been that way. When people pointed out that the lightsabers in ANH:R were thicker they almost all referred to the ones in the PT which use a totally different rotoscoping technique than the OT and are a lot thinner.
Now Vaders helmet moving in the wind may not be able to be fixed. If he was very still then there would be no problem but because his head is in motion its is going to be hard to pull off. I'll give it a go sometime but i can't guarantee that i'll be able to do it.
DF Shadow said:Also, this may have already been mentioned but will you be slightly altering the scene where Vader tosses objects at Luke so that Luke actually hits a few of them instead of just swatting at them?
I'm not sure if i will do anything about that. After all, with Luke missing almost all of them it does show just how inexperienced he is and that Yoda was right when he said that he wasn't ready to face Vader
Ganamae said:1: When the stormtroopers drops Han off in the detetion cell the trooper on our right ( Han's left ) almost looses his helmet.
I don't think this needs to be fixed because they are only just wearing helmets and this would most likely happen if knocked anyway
Ganamae said:2: A new explosion scene made for when the snowtroopers blast their way into the rebel base, the explosion seem so bad, like a wobby star trek set from the 60's, perhaps make it more grand?
I think the explosion is fine as it is. If the explosion was bigger it would have probably blew up most of the command centre.
Ganamae said:3: A bigger ground battle when the AT-AT's attack the rebel base, it seems so small and the explosions so few and not that harmful, would like to see it be upped to a more Epic style of battle, More lasers, troopers, ships and intensity.
Would be fun to see a AT-AT actually debark its troopers ( like Veers orders ) see Snowtroopers on the battlefield and perhaps blasting their way into the base.
The battle will be more intense but adding something like the troops debark would probably slow down the pace of the battle. Plus with no existing footage it would be impossible to do
Ganamae said:4: To make the Mynocks inside the space slug look less "puppety" and to perhaps give added depth to the environment there? also perhaps do something about their breather apparatus, it looks a bit strange.. like there's something missing.
I doubt there is much i can do about them without creating all CG Mynocks (which i have no clue about how to do anything in CG). Adding depth to the environment isn't needed either. The falcons external lights are the only things lighting up the outside and they are not very powerful. The darkness of the surroundings provides a greater depth than adding in any backgrounds ever could. The breathing apparatus is also ok and doesn't need changing. Although really they should be wearing suits because they should have all frozen to death when they went outside. lol
Ganamae said:5: And something that I have always wondered about, the Ion cannon on Hoth, should it's bolts not be blue?
Now this is something that has only cropped up since the PT and the new Clone Wars cartoon. There were no blue laser blasts ever in the OT. This is one thing that seemed to be added in the PT to go with the over-colourful look of those movies. Turning the Ion cannons lasers blue just wouldn';t work. it fires against a blue background so the laser would just blend in. I don't want to change the colour of lasers at all in the OT
Ganamae said:6: The Destroyer that gets hit by Hoths Ion cannon should have better FX as it gets hit.
yeh, this will be getting an FX overhaul.
Bewy said:And to come back to ESB (I don't recall having read it before on the forum), is it planned to add any flashes in the overhead shot when Luke and Vader are fighting on the bridge (before Luke falls and Vader says "It is useless to resist"), because I don't see any of these flashes when sabres hit each other. Just checked it out again to be sure :)
And also to fix the X or Y-wing fighter in the last scene (2nd shot, when the medical fregate enters the shot and fighters fly along with it) that disappears something like 2 frames before the end of the shot.
yeh there are flashes.
If you look closely the flash actually happens before the sabers clash, so that's something that needs to be fixed. Also then the rails get hit the explosion lights up the surroundings but this causes you to be able to see the edges of the matte painting. So again another fix to be done
And the X-wing that disappears at the end, i noticed that when i was doing the colour correction. I though ILM was supposed to have fixed these types of FX gaffes but the whole SE just seemed to me to be a half-assed job
adywan said:And the X-wing that disappears at the end, i noticed that when i was doing the colour correction. I though ILM was supposed to have fixed these types of FX gaffes but the whole SE just seemed to me to be a half-assed job
They should've hired you!
I think the cockpit in luke snow speed needs to be touched up. the screens and read outs in the cockpit dont look functional or to serve any purpose but to blink random red lights.
adywan said:And the X-wing that disappears at the end, i noticed that when i was doing the colour correction. I though ILM was supposed to have fixed these types of FX gaffes but the whole SE just seemed to me to be a half-assed job
I just went back and watched the last shot frame-by-frame and don't see any ship disappearing. Where is it?
"I'm not sure if i will do anything about that. After all, with Luke missing almost all of them it does show just how inexperienced he is and that Yoda was right when he said that he wasn't ready to face Vader"
^^ Makes sense. Your right, it does work better having him miss...plus its not like we don't get to see a more refined warrior in RoTJ.
thunderclap said:adywan said:And the X-wing that disappears at the end, i noticed that when i was doing the colour correction. I though ILM was supposed to have fixed these types of FX gaffes but the whole SE just seemed to me to be a half-assed job
I just went back and watched the last shot frame-by-frame and don't see any ship disappearing. Where is it?
Well it's not the very last shot of the scene, but like I said it's the 2nd one, when you see the fregate coming from the right with fighters flying on its left side :)
thunderclap said:adywan said:And the X-wing that disappears at the end, i noticed that when i was doing the colour correction. I though ILM was supposed to have fixed these types of FX gaffes but the whole SE just seemed to me to be a half-assed job
I just went back and watched the last shot frame-by-frame and don't see any ship disappearing. Where is it?
Spot the difference. lol
