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I agree with what Adywan said. About the open position it makes complete sense now.

I was looking at it as perhaps that engine was wrong and I could not grasp that it was in the open position.

I think it's all quite interesting and amusing. I don't care so much about accuracy on this because it's really superfluous but the discussion is more of what is "good" about it and it's been fun and amusing and how they did it, is what is more amusing to break down into pieces rather than dish out donkey work.

At least I know why in my head now :)

Imp this little one is not worth the effort your right.

Oh_riginal It's been entertaining yeah.

I think really what it shows us is that they were doing the best they could with what they had. If you really wanted to go the whole hog on this part, on the side view Luke would Bank / slide away and descend to the planet Dagobah on that side view leaving the camera behind. Something like that would be very modern and of more worth more than a lot of little fixes of the minute. It really shows it's age but it's still very charming and that is something that is probably well difficult and certainly not a suggestion but I'll show you my heads imagination rather than being a critique for a change. It's an old film but it's still got it where it counts.

Ronster said:

If you really wanted to go the whole hog on this part, on the side view Luke would Bank / slide away and descend to the planet Dagobah on that side view leaving the camera behind. Something like that would be very modern and of more worth more than a lot of little fixes of the minute.

An interesting notion there Ronster, but it's all the tiny little fixes (of what could be argued as inconsequential by some) which are adding together to make this 'Revisited' project so fantastic, I'd say.  :)

ImperialFighter said:

So you're right, that would make the prop 'engine turbines' slightly 'higher' in these shots than they would have been if they had been (correctly) closed when the X-Wing headed down to Dagobah.

But this unfortunately means that the middle 'horizontal' detail of the engine turbines also have an incorrect 'slanted angle' in these shots, because the wings are in the 'open' position. (this image gives a good idea of what I mean) -

(and here's your example pic again, which shows the incorrectly 'angled' engine detail a little better, without being obscured by your red outline) -

It's one of these little things that I've never actually noticed before, and I'm not sure it's something that can be rectified without a lot of additional work.  No biggie in the scheme of things, then.  :)

I also think that the small section you highlighted in your pic above just happens to be part the *lower section* of the engine turbine itself - but the strange thing is that it looks a bit 'thicker' than the top section.  I always thought that the rim of the 'circular' engine turbines was roughly the *same* thickness at the top and bottom...so that might just be down to the prop buiders, as some of their stuff is 'off' compared to the miniature work in a few instances.  On the other hand, some of the images of this circular rim seem to vary in thickness compared to others, anyway.

 ah well, that solves some questions, so only one turbine is "wrong" ;-)

but about that ring, it is correct and slightly moved, meaning unlike in the screenshot of the game X-Wing, the turbine front is not a clean circle (but it would be if the bottom rim was as broad as the top one)

PS: @Adywan:

Great work on the HiC and wish I needed trees, but I only collect ships ;-)

brimforge said:

ah well, that solves some questions, so only one turbine is "wrong" ;-)

but about that ring, it is correct and slightly moved, meaning unlike in the screenshot of the game X-Wing, the turbine front is not a clean circle (but it would be if the bottom rim was as broad as the top one)

Heh, I see how it reads that way, brimforge.  Just to confirm, I meant that *both* 'turbines' are equally wrong in those shots of course.  ;)

As far as the 'circular rims' of the turbines go, they *aren't* a perfect circle as you say...although I've seen some X-Wing images where they are wrongly shown to be.  (I actually amended my last line in the post you quoted, to clarify that various 'google' images of them seem to vary)  

But here's an image which gives a decent look at how the top and bottom halves of the 'circular rims' are intended to be slightly mismatched with each other - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150309054138/starwars/images/b/b2/X-wing_2_Fathead.png

I think the reason most of the X-Wings got "perfect circled" turbines, seems to be they either didn't look close enough or it was easier to built (or draw) ?

with many things in the movies, models and pictures made after them, vary to some degree, so it depends how you like to look at them ;-)

Far from being perfect circles yes you are right.. It's like a pair of mobius with broken links to the loop or chain.

The engines are mirrored the same the other side. The spindles when closed at the top point north, east and west and the spindles at the bottom point south, east and west.

Just so you can see it more clearly sorry about that, I honestly never knew that. My Bad!!!

They are perfect circles in Star Wars though...

timdiggerm said:

Is anyone else totally lost by whatever Ronster says?

 We fixed that for you.

Team Olie

No posts in here for three days?  Is this forum still working?  lol 

AntcuFaalb said:

mfastx said:

No posts in here for three days?  Is this forum still working?  lol 

Nope: http://www.twitter.com/originaltrilogy

 I was wondering what was going on.  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 

Ronster, that was a good shot of the full-size prop 'turbines' you posted back there.

One last observation on this - Remember that 'bottom' portion of the (uppermost) turbine which you originally queried and highlighted with a red outline?

Well, the strange thing is...while it is indeed just a 'thicker' rim portion of the turbine's lower half compared to the thinner rim at the top half, it seems that it's the *opposite* way round in the full-size X-Wing shot you've just shown in your last post - compared to Luke's 'cockpit' prop, the uppermost turbine on the full-size X-Wing prop has the 'thicker' rim portion on the *top* half, instead of the bottom half!  Did the blueprints (or the builders) get mixed up a little, I wonder? :)

*Note* - and just to confuse things further, a lot of non-movie X-Wing images inaccurately show the 'circular' rims of the turbines as being the *same* thickness in both the top and bottom halves.

yeah, it should be "correct", that the outer rims of the turbines are thicker, because they have two half rings, the inner halves therefore are thinner ...

the confusion could be that most just drew the inner circle(s) so, there would be a "perfect" O and not C ;-)

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it).. I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day??? and the interior spindles of the engines are better lit in outer space?? This is a big Black hole that has been destroyed detail again in the restoration for the Bespin blue sky shots. There is some interior engine spindle detail in the Gout but still not enough for a bright day...

Ok, bit of a large post coming but I am going to sight some more things I have noticed about the sequences with the x-wing shots in general. I hope this does not come across as asking for something to be done about it but let's just put it in a way of this is more just how it is or perhaps not how it is and you can tell me off if I made a mistake.

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2-D2 resides within seems to have been ripped of this particular version of the x-wing.

The Main Cockpit Displays have been ripped off from the x-wing cockpit (Although it is a different version of the x-wing. There is no way it would vary this significantly).

The more I have looked at the ESB x-wing, it has actually made me a bit saddened (but not in any great capacity) It's just that the x-wing was such a huge part of the first film and was so integral to the climax of the first film It feels like in this film it is merely a dim shade of what it was previously and I think that really is a big shame even if it's not flying in to battle we should see another side of it. No Wonder everyone went Mad for the Millennium Falcon and not the x-wing that was handled in such a slap dash way and that is the main characters ship too.  It could have been better but I think we just have to say oh well, never mind.

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it. Some technical errors, we can over look them, basically I think  nobody will jump out their seat over an engine being re-positioned or altered. But I do think the x-wing handling by the original film makers when it all adds up, It is detrimental but of fairly minimal detriment.

Ronster said:

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it).. I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day??? and the interior spindles of the engines are better lit in outer space?? This is a big Black hole that has been destroyed detail again in the restoration for the Bespin blue sky shots. There is some interior engine spindle detail in the Gout but still not enough for a bright day...

Ok, bit of a large post coming but I am going to sight some more things I have noticed about the sequences with the x-wing shots in general. I hope this does not come across as asking for something to be done about it but let's just put it in a way of this is more just how it is or perhaps not how it is and you can tell me off if I made a mistake.

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2-D2 resides within seems to have been ripped of this particular version of the x-wing.

The Main Cockpit Displays have been ripped off from the x-wing cockpit (Although it is a different version of the x-wing. There is no way it would vary this significantly).

The more I have looked at the ESB x-wing, it has actually made me a bit saddened (but not in any great capacity) It's just that the x-wing was such a huge part of the first film and was so integral to the climax of the first film It feels like in this film it is merely a dim shade of what it was previously and I think that really is a big shame even if it's not flying in to battle we should see another side of it. No Wonder everyone went Mad for the Millennium Falcon and not the x-wing that was handled in such a slap dash way and that is the main characters ship too.  It could have been better but I think we just have to say oh well, never mind.

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it. Some technical errors, we can over look them, basically I think  nobody will jump out their seat over an engine being re-positioned or altered. But I do think the x-wing handling by the original film makers when it all adds up, It is detrimental but of fairly minimal detriment.

 so you issue is it don't look like it did in a new hope?

Ronster said:

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it)..

No, Ronster.  That's *not* what I was saying in my previous post, at all.  :(

However, I'll take another stab at describing things for you (along with some pics) 

First of all, this CGI shot correctly shows how the 'circular' turbine rims should look: -  The 'half-moon' section of the 2 UPPERMOST turbines on each side of the X-Wing have *thick* rims at the top of them, and *thin* rims on the bottom 'half-moon' section of them...while the 'half-moons' of the 2 BOTTOM turbines on each side of the X-Wing have that reversed, with the *thick* rims on the bottom 'half-moon' sections instead -

...and this full-scale prop below is correct too, and matches the way things are in the shot above -

...and to be specific, the *thick* 'half-moon' section rims are WIDER than their corresponding *thin* 'half-moon' sections on the 'circular' turbines too.  Or look 'mis-aligned', if you prefer that description.

But...in the shot below (which you originally brought up), as well as *wrongly* having the wings in an open 'deployed' angle at this point...it also seems that this particular 'cockpit' prop *wrongly* has *thin* rims on it's wider, top 'half-moon' sections here, where it's 2 uppermost turbines are concerned. -

Hope that clears things up.

Ronster said:

I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day???

Sorry Ronster, but I don't agree with the first part of your point here -  I can't be bothered grabbing a screenshot (it comes immediately before Han & the gang are led into the 'carbon chamber', if anyone wants to look), but it looks to be the same *wrong* 'cockpit' prop as above, due to it having the same *thinner* top 'half-moon' section on it's uppermost 2 turbines...unlike the correct 2 shots I posted.  That's going by the GOUT version anyway, as the SE version is hard to make out due to being darkened, as you say. 

Ronster said:

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

I thought this was potentially a good spot Ronster...until I checked.  It turns out those 2 Artoo lights are *not* always blue.  See where Luke takes off from Hoth in his X-Wing, as just one instance. 

Ronster said:

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2 resides within seems to have been ripped off this particular version of the x-wing. 

I can't say I agree with this either, Ronster.  The detail on the X-Wing model pic you showed doesn't look much like the prop's detailing in the 'side-onwards' Artoo shots, if you ask me. 

However, I do reckon there's a bit of difference on the top section of the X-Wing where Artoo sits...when it comes to his 'side-onwards' shots and the full-sized 'swamp' prop.  Again, no biggie if I'm right.

Ronster said:

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it.

If you don't find something else Ronster, then I'm a banana!  ;)

But even though there has been an incredible amount of interesting little flaws and anomilies brought up on this lengthy thread (*many* of which I hadn't noticed before, personally), there are *still* one or two involving 'Dagobah' that I know haven't been brought up yet.  That's my fault, and I still hope to stick them on here before too long, as 'observations'.  :)

Trouble is, I had taken a lot of time to draft up heaps and heaps of small screenshots (more than 60 over several posts!) ready to show along with my descriptions...and lost them *all* due to a damned shakeup with 'Imageshack's storage, before I could post them.  :(

And I've no doubt that there will be quite a few little flaws that adywan will touch up that no-one's noticed yet either!  :)

jedimasterobiwan said:

Ronster said:

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it).. I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day??? and the interior spindles of the engines are better lit in outer space?? This is a big Black hole that has been destroyed detail again in the restoration for the Bespin blue sky shots. There is some interior engine spindle detail in the Gout but still not enough for a bright day...

Ok, bit of a large post coming but I am going to sight some more things I have noticed about the sequences with the x-wing shots in general. I hope this does not come across as asking for something to be done about it but let's just put it in a way of this is more just how it is or perhaps not how it is and you can tell me off if I made a mistake.

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2-D2 resides within seems to have been ripped of this particular version of the x-wing.

The Main Cockpit Displays have been ripped off from the x-wing cockpit (Although it is a different version of the x-wing. There is no way it would vary this significantly).

The more I have looked at the ESB x-wing, it has actually made me a bit saddened (but not in any great capacity) It's just that the x-wing was such a huge part of the first film and was so integral to the climax of the first film It feels like in this film it is merely a dim shade of what it was previously and I think that really is a big shame even if it's not flying in to battle we should see another side of it. No Wonder everyone went Mad for the Millennium Falcon and not the x-wing that was handled in such a slap dash way and that is the main characters ship too.  It could have been better but I think we just have to say oh well, never mind.

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it. Some technical errors, we can over look them, basically I think  nobody will jump out their seat over an engine being re-positioned or altered. But I do think the x-wing handling by the original film makers when it all adds up, It is detrimental but of fairly minimal detriment.

 so you issue is it don't look like it did in a new hope?

 Thanks for quoting.

TV's Frink said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Ronster said:

So Imperial Fighter the engine on the right is actually meant to be an engine for the left??? (That is talking about it as we are looking at it).. I can tell you this much it seems they put a correct sided engine on when we get to Luke flying through the Blue sky and fluffy Clouds of Bespin but no interior spindle detail to the engines on a bright sunny day??? and the interior spindles of the engines are better lit in outer space?? This is a big Black hole that has been destroyed detail again in the restoration for the Bespin blue sky shots. There is some interior engine spindle detail in the Gout but still not enough for a bright day...

Ok, bit of a large post coming but I am going to sight some more things I have noticed about the sequences with the x-wing shots in general. I hope this does not come across as asking for something to be done about it but let's just put it in a way of this is more just how it is or perhaps not how it is and you can tell me off if I made a mistake.

Because of the Bluescreen washout of R2 and that they had to re-color his panels they did not bother to add the blue background lights to the 2 square lights throughout all the re-colored R2 shots.

On those exterior side shots of R2-D2 all the top surface detail of which R2-D2 resides within seems to have been ripped of this particular version of the x-wing.

The Main Cockpit Displays have been ripped off from the x-wing cockpit (Although it is a different version of the x-wing. There is no way it would vary this significantly).

The more I have looked at the ESB x-wing, it has actually made me a bit saddened (but not in any great capacity) It's just that the x-wing was such a huge part of the first film and was so integral to the climax of the first film It feels like in this film it is merely a dim shade of what it was previously and I think that really is a big shame even if it's not flying in to battle we should see another side of it. No Wonder everyone went Mad for the Millennium Falcon and not the x-wing that was handled in such a slap dash way and that is the main characters ship too.  It could have been better but I think we just have to say oh well, never mind.

I think that there is not anything else really to go over now in this film, I mean I have looked at this film with uber scrutiny and it still holds up well, there is nothing that totally is killing it. Some technical errors, we can over look them, basically I think  nobody will jump out their seat over an engine being re-positioned or altered. But I do think the x-wing handling by the original film makers when it all adds up, It is detrimental but of fairly minimal detriment.

 so you issue is it don't look like it did in a new hope?

 Thanks for quoting.

sorry for the typo sometimes i make mistakes. i know with punctuations i make mistakes too. but i'm not that great sentence structure sorry

i was trying to quote you sorry if it seems like you said that.

You've missed the point, and you did it again.

Don't quote super-long posts, especially when you're the very next poster, and especially when you don't need the entirety (or any) of the quoted post to make your point.

But don't worry, we forgive you.

Team Olie

TV's Frink said:

You've missed the point, and you did it again.

Don't quote super-long posts, especially when you're the very next poster, and especially when you don't need the entirety (or any) of the quoted post to make your point.

But don't worry, we forgive you.

Team Olie

 i was quoting his post earlier because i didn't understand his issue with the x-wing.

jedimasterobiwan said:

i was quoting his post earlier because i didn't understand his issue with the x-wing.

Heh, I was actually going to mention this issue too, at the end of my previous post.  But I forgot. 

The thing is jedimasterobiwan, that you only asked Ronster a simple 'generalised' question about his post, and he (and we) didn't need to unnecessarily re-scroll down through *everything* he'd already written to know what you were talking about. 

It's like scrolling down one of those long 'skyscraper'* photos, when someone does that, just for future reference. 

(*why do I get the feeling that TV's Frink is itching to put one up now?  Maybe a 'link' to one will be allowable for demonstration purposes, however)  ;)

ImperialFighter said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

i was quoting his post earlier because i didn't understand his issue with the x-wing.

Heh, I was actually going to mention this issue too, at the end of my previous post.  But I forgot. 

The thing is jedimasterobiwan, that you only asked Ronster a simple 'generalised' question about his post, and he (and we) didn't need to unnecessarily re-scroll down through *everything* he'd already written to know what you were talking about. 

It's like scrolling down one of those long 'skyscraper'* photos, when someone does that, just for future reference. 

(*why do I get the feeling that TV's Frink is itching to put one up now?  Maybe a 'link' to one will be allowable for demonstration purposes, however)  ;)

 

 Here, allow us to scratch that itch two ways.

First - link:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-is-your-personal-Star-Trek-canon/post/745873/#TopicPost745873

Second - text version:

antenna
window
window
window
balcony
window
window
window
balcony
window
window
window
retail shops
retail shops
parking
plaza
BUNNY

Team Olie