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I agree....it's fine as is......never caused any confusion in my mind. The only minor issue I ever had is the one Ady has already addressed by moving Slave1 back from the Falcon.....visually it just FELT wrong for him to be so close. Even though with the probable scanner jamming potential Fett has onboard it wouldn't TECHNICALLY matter how close he was to them.....you just want it to look like he's skulking far behind......because it visually conveys that he's hiding from them without having to explain the sci behind your fi.

doubleofive said:

Don't be coy, MK2K, you know as well as I that Ady has replaced that shot of Slave I with Boba Fett using his jet pack from the garbage to fly up to the Falcon and physically grab a hold of it while piloting Slave I remotely.

SHHHHH!....They're listening........

Just add an extra line of dialog to explain everything like George Lucas did every scene in Red Tails.  When the Stormtroopers swarm in behind Han, Leia, & Chewie after Vader takes Han’s Blaster away have one of the Stormtroopers say-

“I’m sure glad Boba Fett was able to figure out the Millennium Falcon was headed here to Bespin while he was tracking them in Slave 1 and jamming their radar.”  And then maybe Chewie could step in some poo.  I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

I don't really want to babble on about this but here is what I see in the Bobba fett scene.

1. The Falcon fires it's engines and flys through the junk.

2. Slave 1 fires it's engines and follows the falcon in close pursuit through the junk but with no intention to attack.

3. We are shown another shot of the falcon being pursued in close proximity by Slave 1 and both ships are now exiting the junk.

4. We are now inside the cockpit of Slave 1 Boba fett is looking through a periscope of sorts. We then see Boba fett swivel in his cockpit chair while the falcon gets further away suggesting he is no longer following them.

now on point 4... is the periscope forward facing or is it off to the side as in are we seeing a side shot of Boba fett facing forward in the cockpit of slave 1 or are we behind Boba fetts chair and he has turned 90 degrees to the right only to swivel back to forward facing?

In my mind the periscope is forward facing for ergonomics.. Meaning he has cut off pursuit and this is a side view of the cockpit.

exitzero said:

Just add an extra line of dialog to explain everything like George Lucas did every scene in Red Tails.  When the Stormtroopers swarm in behind Han, Leia, & Chewie after Vader takes Han’s Blaster away have one of the Stormtroopers say-

“I’m sure glad Boba Fett was able to figure out the Millennium Falcon was headed here to Bespin while he was tracking them in Slave 1 and jamming their radar.”  And then maybe Chewie could step in some poo.  I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

Ric, is that you?

:)

Ronster said:

I don't really want to babble on about this but here is what I see in the Bobba fett scene.

1. The Falcon fires it's engines and flys through the junk.

2. Slave 1 fires it's engines and follows the falcon in close pursuit through the junk but with no intention to attack.

3. We are shown another shot of the falcon being pursued in close proximity by Slave 1 and both ships are now exiting the junk.

4. We are now inside the cockpit of Slave 1 Boba fett is looking through a periscope of sorts. We then see Boba fett swivel in his cockpit chair while the falcon gets further away suggesting he is no longer following them.

now on point 4... is the periscope forward facing or is it off to the side as in are we seeing a side shot of Boba fett facing forward in the cockpit of slave 1 or are we behind Boba fetts chair and he has turned 90 degrees to the right only to swivel back to forward facing?

In my mind the periscope is forward facing for ergonomics.. Meaning he has cut off pursuit and this is a side view of the cockpit.

 

No offense, but I think you're creating a problem where there is none. We know that Boba Fett is a bounty hunter, we know his job is to track and capture Han, we see him lay in wait, and then begin to pursue the MF, and then later on Cloud City, we see the Empire has laid a trap. The Empire could only have discovered where Solo was headed thanks to Boba Fett tracking them, and then we see Boba in the carbon freezing chamber there to claim his prize.

This is one of those cases where the movie expects the audience to be smart enough to take these pieces and assemble them into a coherent whole without needing to be spoon-fed.

You see to be trying to find holes so that they can be plugged up by new shots and changes, but this isn't a case of holes, it's breathing room for the story to come alive in the viewer's imagination.

Is the periscope forward-facing or off to the side? What does it matter, we know that Fett is a bounty hunter hunting Solo and we see that set-up paid off at Cloud City.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just think this is not the issue that it's being made out to be.

I would also like to vote for Slave 1 not jumping to hyperspace at the end of the sequence. It seems crammed in there and I imagine it took Fett a bit longer than 3 seconds to deduce where Han & Co. were headed. Only then could he jump to hyperspace.

Sorry for the triple-post.... I don't have anything to add for months, and then I get keyboard diarrhea! :)

asterisk8 said:

This is one of those cases where the movie expects the audience to be smart enough to take these pieces and assemble them into a coherent whole without needing to be spoon-fed.

You see to be trying to find holes so that they can be plugged up by new shots and changes, but this isn't a case of holes, it's breathing room for the story to come alive in the viewer's imagination.

 

To do an orientation on the last shot in this sequence is important... Sorry but I think you are being a bit pedantic and your observation level is nowhere near as high as mine.

You seem to think it's more important to pooh pooh me than to examine the facts and the detail that is in the footage.

If the viewer has to make up little bit's of story as trivial as Slave 1 has sophisticated Jamming and tracking capabilities... Sorry but the film has then failed in this part. Nowhere in the footage shown does anything suggest that Slave 1 has these capabilities somone on here made it up.

It's a reasonable explaination... But why are we having to explain it... There is a big difference between being spoon fed and missing detail.

Anyway the main point was an orientation nothing more nothing less no suggestions no plug holes just an orientation... So please.

we don't have any concrete details of exactly what Boba fett is doing. But it appears he is triangulating the way the shot is laid out.

asterisk8 said:

exitzero said:

Just add an extra line of dialog to explain everything like George Lucas did every scene in Red Tails.  When the Stormtroopers swarm in behind Han, Leia, & Chewie after Vader takes Han’s Blaster away have one of the Stormtroopers say-

“I’m sure glad Boba Fett was able to figure out the Millennium Falcon was headed here to Bespin while he was tracking them in Slave 1 and jamming their radar.”  And then maybe Chewie could step in some poo.  I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

Ric, is that you?

:)

No.

.Mac. said:

Boba somehow knew how and which Star Destroyer Han was hiding on (in my experience there's no such thing as luck).

could very well be that he was just hiding in the garbage IN CASE Han tried the same trick...maybe he didn't know a damn thing but his bounty hunter instinct told him to try that before leaving in case it panned out.

muddyknees2000 said:

.Mac. said:

Boba somehow knew how and which Star Destroyer Han was hiding on (in my experience there's no such thing as luck).

could very well be that he was just hiding in the garbage IN CASE Han tried the same trick...maybe he didn't know a damn thing but his bounty hunter instinct told him to try that before leaving in case it panned out.

Well I'd say that Boba would have looked at the situation with a similar survivors instinct as the pirate captain, The Falcon had its chance to escape a couple of times,.....no lightspeed,.....the first time it heads into an asteroid field to try and hide, the second time, when it had a clear shot of getting away it turns and buzzes the control bridge of its persuer.....then vanishes......I'd say Boba knew axactly the move Han pulled....flew out to investigate,.... spotted the space tic, and hid in a similar position......waiting

J

Ronster said:

your observation level is nowhere near as high as mine.

Ohhhhkay. Then you must've observed that Boba Fett turns toward the Falcon which is flying away from the camera.

Again, no offense, but I don't care about you enough to spend time "pooh poohing" you personally. I've examined the scene, and it doesn't need anything more than what adywan already did months ago. :)

Close Asterisk... Very close but no cigar.

I did miss an important piece of detail in the final shot.

When we are looking out of slave 1 cockpit window... We see the falcon and a piece of space junk.

This says to me that the film makers felt that Boba not leaving and straying outside of the space junk debris was a plausible explaination for not being detected... And for Slave 1 to remain inside the debris and not leave. At least not at this time. He stays inside the junk debris doing a triangulation calculation of where the falcon is going. Using the periscope to get a point directly infront of him and where he is situated at this current time to calculate where the falcon is travelling to. You only need 2 point in space to calculate where the third will be.

In Revisited Clip the space junk has been removed from this final shot. This changes our perception of the scene quite a bit.

This also leads me to believe that the technique Boba uses to pursue the falcon is so close you cannot see it or detect it. There is a reason for this close proximity pursuit through the junk.

Forgetting about any previous suggestions I have made I see this scene totally different now and If I were to add anything it would be a sound effect of Bobba Fetts engines shutting down to better communicate what is happening on the cockpit shot and I would ask that the scene be restored to it's original form.

...or how about the possibility that Boba *didn't* actually go on to follow the Falcon in his Slave I himself at that moment...but instead headed for the Executor to give his update to Vader personally, so he could 'hitch' a lightspeed lift with him to Bespin before the Falcon arrived?

Whatever the scenario that can be imagined, I certainly prefer the current extra distance put between the Falcon and Slave I by adywan's preview regardless...but also prefer to leave the possibilies open-ended *without* the added 'lightspeed jump' effect, so that we continue to end the scene on an ominous note with Boba looking out his viewscreen before we transition back to Dagobah.

Boba does not go anywhere... The space junk is spinning around the falcon is moving off in the cockpit shot. or Boba has slowed to the same speed as the junk on the outer edge.

This infers Boba has stopped within the bounds of the junk field to remain hidden.

What ever else he does happens off screen and rightly so.

I like the idea of the extra distance but it further accentuates why Boba is weirdly not detected.

In the original he is right on the falcons ass possibly so close he is out of range of detection what with all the junk debris also.

There is also a lot more skill in that manouvre he pulls of the close pursuit than the skulking far behind.

I'd say Slave 1 is at a dead stop more or less in the cockpit shot so Boba is able to do an accurate calcultaion... This is a fault on the film makers part for not conveying this change via sound or visually expressing Slave 1 coming to a halt.

Shouldn't we all?

If we didn't we would soon be internally choked by our points of origin.