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plastique45 said:

Hi, I created this account just to ask you something. I just saw your edition of the first Star Wars and seeing that you are redoing the second one, I really have to ask if something would be possible for you to modify.

It is something that has always bugged me about the movie since I saw it in 1980 in theaters and every time I saw it on videos after. Maybe you have addressed it already, I didn't know how I could find it in the 108 pages here.

When the rebels escape from the snow planet at the beginning, you have that huge canon fire a gigantic laser bolt at the imperial ship coming in on them (you have it pictured a few posts back). You expect something awesome to happen but all you see is a bunch of electric-like bolts surrounding the ship's model and it drifts away. I mean, I understand that back then they needed to keep that huge model intact for many more shots and that was an economical way of doing things but it just looks awful and cheap. It's something that Richard Edlund did on many gigs.

 

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Welcome to the boards.  Hope you stick around.

The thing with the cannon is that its an "ion" cannon, meant to short circuit all of the systems on the ships, not destroy them.  It may have been the Rebellion's way of reducing innocent casualties even for their enemies.

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It's an Ion cannon, ment to disable a ship, not sending it flying into a million, ripping a hole in the space time continuam, and shattering the stings that hold the universe together! Sorry.. DoubleO5 got there first, I need an advil.

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I always assumed the use of the ion cannon was more for tactical purposes than moral ones. That is to say, it would take many turbolaser blasts to destroy or temporarily disable the ISD, but one ion cannon blast seems to do the trick nicely.

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Looks like a cross section of a giant industrial erm, A, sort of, tally whacker (translation to our NTSC buddys reads-'penis'), there, perhaps, with the large bottom bit, narrowly funneling upwards, leading upto the rounded bit on the end, which makes the whole sequence a hell of a lot more comical when you think of it that way!

Hang on, the death star could be the egg. The rebel transports (if you add a tail) could be the swimmers, eah, maybe....?

Ive read far too many books, methinks.....

Sorry to lower the tone :-(

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plastique45 said:

Hi, I created this account just to ask you something. I just saw your edition of the first Star Wars and seeing that you are redoing the second one, I really have to ask if something would be possible for you to modify.

It is something that has always bugged me about the movie since I saw it in 1980 in theaters and every time I saw it on videos after. Maybe you have addressed it already, I didn't know how I could find it in the 108 pages here.

When the rebels escape from the snow planet at the beginning, you have that huge canon fire a gigantic laser bolt at the imperial ship coming in on them (you have it pictured a few posts back). You expect something awesome to happen but all you see is a bunch of electric-like bolts surrounding the ship's model and it drifts away. I mean, I understand that back then they needed to keep that huge model intact for many more shots and that was an economical way of doing things but it just looks awful and cheap. It's something that Richard Edlund did on many gigs.

 

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That was an ion cannon which was designed to disrupt the electrical power of a ship...what did you want to have happen - the SD being destroyed? If they did that, then the Rebel Transport and the two X-wings would have had to fly through a debris field which would have extended the time for them to escape (as they couldn't go to hyperspace straight away.) Back then, I thought it was awesome enough that a couple of laser bolts could do that much damage without physically damaging the ship that was hit. I still think it's an awesome thing to be able to do and shows the Rebels didn't want to cause any extra death or destruction than was needed - even when running away!

Maybe Ady could enhance the nature of the electrical disruption, but I don't think it's really needed.

Edit: sorry...didn't see the replies after your query...!

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Maybe Ady could enhance the nature of the electrical disruption, but I don't think it's really needed.

 

I think that sounds like it could be a good enhancemeant. Now with Lucas you'd know that he would go overboard, but I have faith in ady to pull off something a bit more moderate should he decide to do this. I'm all for it, at least.

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Maybe  Lucas could add some space rats, or a stowaway Wampa on the Falcon that looks different every time you see it.  Maybe Lucas will straighten somethings out before they are re released in 3D, but I have a felling ADY,s versions will be the ones I watch from here on out.

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but I have a felling ADY,s versions will be the ones I watch from here on out.

 

Agreed. The ANH DVD is already just collecting dust on my shelves.

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DarkHorizons.com is reporting that the 3D re-releases will take quite a while yet....  Plenty of time for Lucasfilm to incorporate a few of Adywan's ANH:R ideas I hope!  Maybe they should just wait till he's finished his 'Empire', along with the rest of his edits in the saga too....  ;)

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^ I tend to agree. Ady should be working with GL at this point. :)

 

Sorry if this has been mentioned but will Ady be doing any minor CG tweaks to Yoda?

 

 

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Working with? Andywan should TEACH George Lucas.

first he was the learner, now HE, is the master

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Great work so far Ady,

1080p is a bitch but will be sooooo worth it.

Thanks for the LG HDTV tip BTW I have an early CRTV HD made by Samsung and have NOT been happy overall.

Hopefully I'll have a new set when this one is ready.

Watching all these "in progress" clips and images has gotten me so excited I feel like that 10 year old kid I was in 1980 when Empire first came out, I saw it in a crappy little theatre in North Carolina and During the AT-AT scene the speaker over my head fell from the wall and dangled by its wire for the rest of the film!

I was so transfixed I refused to move from the seat till the film was over {despite my Sister's protests}

I have always thought Empire was the very cream of the Star Wars movies and stood as a testament to what George should have done with the Prequels.

Imagine how good Episode 3  would have been if directed by Gilluermo Del Toro or Peter Jackson or even a lesser known great new talent such as Brad Anderson.

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lol...

 

Peter Jackson doing Episode III? And people already complain about how many establishing shots there are lol


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ImperialFighter said:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight006.jpg

We didn't actually include it here, but the 'Shuttle' element that is seen dropping down in 'Jedi', could actually also be included here, since it could perhaps indicate how Vader 'travelled down' to the surface.... 

Adywan -  as far as the sequence of speculative 'mock-ups' shown on page 108 are concerned, I've just noticed that amongst all my comments, that this one is incorrect.  Vader's personal Shuttle wouldn't in fact be seen exiting from this standard Stardestroyer's bay, because if he actually went down to the surface in his Shuttle, it would of course have exited from the 'Executor' Superstardestroyer that he was aboard at this point!  Sorry for the confusion there.

 

As far as the rest of the sequence, I didn't think these earlier shots of the 'Imperial Fleet' would be needed as far as the 'mock-ups' shown were concerned, but just to clarify some things, here's a couple of thoughts about the scenes in the movie involving the 'Fleet, that came before Shot 1 on page 108) -

This earlier shot in the movie seems to show just some of the overall 'Imperial Fleet' (as there are other Stardestroyers scattered around various star 'systems' in the Galaxy, including the one that 'seeded' the 'probes'....), which are 'gathering in close proximity of each other', in a random order.   There are 6 Stardestroyers shown in total here, including the one whose Command structure is passing closely 'overhead' -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight01-1.jpg

....in the very next shot (which is shown below), that comes immediately after the one above, we see the 'closely passing overhead' Stardestroyer being 'shadowed' by what turns out to be the massive 'Executor' overhead.  However, in this shot, we can now see an additional 2 Stardestroyers in the distance, heading in the same direction of travel as the 'shadowed' Stardestroyer.  These 2 Stardestroyers are therefore not part of the 5 distant ones that were seen in the previous shot, shown above.  Therefore, we have now seen a total of 8 Stardestroyers in this area of grouping, and still have the 'Executor' to see, which now gives us a final total of 9 ships that can be seen to make up this particular part of the 'Imperial Fleet'.... 

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight02-1.jpg

....in none of these other remaining early shots of the Fleet (shown below, where we see the 'Executor', and where Vader is seen observing the Fleet), do we get an indication that there are more than these 9 ships seen so far, except that the distant RIGHT-pointing Stardestroyer in the 'Executor' shot could be argued as being a 10th one -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight03-1.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight04-1.jpg

....whether 9 or 10, there is certainly no more than that indicated in the movie, and it is not clear if all of these 'random-facing' Stardestroyers even ended up being ordered to escort the 'Executor' to the Rebel Hoth Planet or not....  The rest of the shots in the movie (as seen in Shot 1 onwards on page 108) do not seem to indicate many either, and the 'mock-ups' were done to reflect this.  Even if all the 9 or 10 ships which comprised the 'Executor's' Fleet were ordered to head for the Hoth 'system', there is not a huge armada of them.  The 'mock-ups' were merely intended to show a bit more of the few Stardestroyers we know about, in a way that didn't require a huge amount of 'additions', while still reflecting the fact that they were probably spread apart a good bit from each other, once they reached the Hoth Planet in question,  

 

As far as the TIE shots in the sequence, the only reason they were also added was because of Adywan's previous hint that he may place a TIE in the background of one of the 'floating city' shots.....  The 'balcony' one to be exact.  So just for fun, the floating city TIE addition was added too, as a precursor to several other shots that are ready to 'mock-up' at some future time, that would follow-on from Shot 48 (the last shot where we see Luke's X-wing approaching Bespin), and which would show several potential points in the floating city scenes, where a glimpse of 3 'Executor' TIEs and some subtle extra floating city 'air traffic' could be shown also....  The one shown passing the window behind Vader and Boba was intended to be the first 'possible appearance' of the 3 TIEs, to convey the overpowering 'Imperial presence' that arrived before the Falcon did, and was to be the start of this second (much shorter) sequence....again, just as a bit of 'speculation'. 

However, even doubleofive doesn't know that yet, so I'll have to see what he says first!....  ;)  

 

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You know where i sit with this one Imperial Fighter ;-)

Though can i throw in the suggestion, the first mock up you posted shows six destroyers on screen, yes, but looks rather random, and as if they are are there for the sake of just being there to sell the shot. I know im being a little to analitical with a rough mock up shot (BTW).

Notice how Han can see that  "the fleets beggining to break up" just after, suggesting the stardestroyers follow a flight path of sort, therefore cloning and scaling of any one destroyer (to a degree) would be acceptable, or even needed (i dunno myself really, and is debatable i guess).

For example, i slightly doctored your image to show the armada, with a scence of flying in formation just not totally universal, without being too in your face, if you get my gist!

EDIT) Which sounds totally arse after paying a bit more attention to your second mock up as that sort of gets what i was going at (i got a bit excitable after the first shot, sorry). Though, its interesting that you didnt clone any of the destroyers whatsoever.

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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight02-1.jpg

So if these three destroyers that are being overshadowed by the Executor,

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight03-1.jpg

 

why can we only see two of them?

 

 

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Original colour-corrected Executor concept

This is the original recoloured Executor concept I came up with a few pages ago.  Ripplin made a concept that retained some of the blue; I thought it was still much too bluish for me, so I decided to give it a go again.  This Executor is much more different (and better-looking) than my original concept:

Recoloured Executor

This version retains more of the blue while not making the Executor look obnoxiously blue.  The windows are more whitish-bluish, but it matches the Executor and the rest of the scene.  Not only has most of the annoying blue been removed, the Executor has been brightened; the scene was too dark and didn't stand out very much.  What do you think?

I also removed that 'engine clutter' behind the Executor that looked kinda ugly, and added some more glow to the star destroyer's engines.  The TIE fighter also ended up getting recoloured; well, it was also quite bluish and it would take too long to separate it from the rest...

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Yes. But the ship is starting to stear itself again without so much as the captain at the helm. Like i said twice tonight the powers that be shine and undermine me.

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Calling Adywan, calling Adywan.......

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Darth Solo said:

You know where i sit with this one Imperial Fighter ;-)

Though can i throw in the suggestion, the first mock up you posted shows six destroyers on screen, yes, but looks rather random, and as if they are are there for the sake of just being there to sell the shot. I know im being a little to analitical with a rough mock up shot (BTW).

Notice how Han can see that  "the fleets beggining to break up" just after, suggesting the stardestroyers follow a flight path of sort, therefore cloning and scaling of any one destroyer (to a degree) would be acceptable, or even needed (i dunno myself really, and is debatable i guess).

For example, i slightly doctored your image to show the armada, with a scence of flying in formation just not totally universal, without being too in your face, if you get my gist!

EDIT) Which sounds totally arse after paying a bit more attention to your second mock up as that sort of gets what i was going at (i got a bit excitable after the first shot, sorry). Though, its interesting that you didnt clone any of the destroyers whatsoever.

Solo, that last set weren't mock ups.  The set on this page are merely unaltered screenshots of what's actually in the movie.  ILM threw those 5 Star Destroyers in that shot, which float around aimlessly the whole time.  ILM forgot that three Star Destroyers were headed towards the Executor with only two in the next shot.  These are things that need to be fixed, but we posted them to point out the huge number of Destroyers that are already in the movie.

Just a note: I try to mark my mockups with "Mock-up by doubleofive" so that people don't think its either an unaltered shot or an official Adywan screenshot.  To avoid confusion like this. ;-)

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Sluggo said:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight02-1.jpg

So if these three destroyers that are being overshadowed by the Executor,

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/ImpFight03-1.jpg

 

why can we only see two of them?

 

 

You'd need to ask Lucasfilm....  ;)    I think I may have a reasonable 'possibility', as to what happened here, but I'll first need to organise the intervening screenshot that occurs between these two, to better explain it.  By the way, if I remember correctly, the 2 Stardestroyers in the distance of the top shot here were already 'lit' in a 'half-shadowed' manner, and that it is only the nearest (biggest) one in the shot that is being 'overshadowed' by the 'Executor'.  But I'd need to check.

Darth Solo -  Han???  'mock-ups'???  Late night I take it! ;)

 

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I have a question. Will the line, "And I'm sure Skywalker is with them." be deleted and/or replaced with another line of dialogue?