doubleofive said:
That's the right idea. If you don't like a change, change it back.Monroville said:
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
Pretty soon we're going to need git for films.
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Pretty soon we're going to need git for films.
doubleofive said:
Monroville said:
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
That's the right idea. If you don't like a change, change it back.
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Monroville said:
The bottom line is that it IS Ady's edit. All anyone can do is argue their point logically or illogically. There are plenty of extreme close-ups of the TIEs in action throughout ANH (specifically during the Falcon escape battle) and not once do they even remotely appear bluish in any way, shape or form. To do it for EMPIRE is one thing, as that is how they originally appeared. Considering that even Lucas has never blued the TIEs in any incarnation of ANH should say something.
not blue
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
The TIEs appeared as blue in many shots in ANH. As we know, the GOUT is pretty faded and desaturated, losing a lot of the blue tints. You can't use this as a reference for colour. but even with the fading you can see shots where the TIEs are blue tinted, even in the scene you say they never appear bluish in any way shape or form
Now these were just 2 examples
The 1997 SE is supposed to be the closest for colour reference to how ANH originally looked (before the tinting added in 2004). Now there are many times that the TIEs are clearly blue tinted
And the model you posted the pic of was sold at auction in 2008 and the pic of the model used for the brochure shows that it wasn't as white as it looked in the bluescreen photo you posted:
Now the TIEs changed from grey to blue even in the original. They were never grey 100% of the time
Monroville said:
Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).
Now that's just not true and i posted links to screenshot comparisons a few pages back that proves that isn't the case.It may look that way in the youtube video because the blue may stand out more because of the tint added to the whole shot in 2004 coloured the stardestroyers in the background
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-UPDATED-CHANGES-LIST-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/565636/#TopicPost565636
Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)
I'm guessing it'll be the proper length for gungan ears when you add gungans BACK into the Endor battle as had been George's plan all along. In fact, they're actually already there, except you don't see them because the battle was shot in closeups ;)
adywan said:
Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)
I heard there was a stray bit of grass that got stuck in Wicket's ear.
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emanswfan said:
...The thing that I am still noticing, at least in ANH:R was the almost cardboard cut out look of some fx and objects. For example, many of the explosions in the revisited battle of Yavin have absolutely no 3d shape to them and look and in a way cheesy. The blue TIE's just make that cardboard cut-out look worse. The PT, even though filled with terrible CGI, doesn't have this problem.
I think, regarding the period it was made in (meaning the software possibilities at that time) and Ady's knowledge thereof, the results still are pretty (read: EXTREMELY) impressive.
By the time he'll get to ANH:R BD, I guess he'll be able to adhere to your wishes.
Also, in a US (internet?) radio interview, Ady stated that the space battle shots were just that. Still images cut out and then moved around in aftereffects! With what he's learnt with ESB:R and his plan to use physical models throughout the saga, I'm pretty sure the "flat" look will be rectified...but that's a looong way off and not for this thread :-)
Bingowings said:
I would do that but my square bracket key was wrecked in the great hot coffee catastrophe of 2009 *sobs*
This reminded me of losing most of my VHS collection during the great Coke explosion of '98.
I was under the impression that Ady just re-cycled existing explosions from the saga just like Lucas himself did.
But while we are on the subject of explosions, here's another Actual Movie Still :
brash_stryker said:
Also, in a US (internet?) radio interview, Ady stated that the space battle shots were just that. Still images cut out and then moved around in aftereffects!
I think you're referring to an episode of the podcast put on by ihnradio.com. It's the only live interview I've ever head Ady do. (For those of you who haven't heard it before, you should give it a shot--it's really interesting!)
adywan said:
Monroville said:
The bottom line is that it IS Ady's edit. All anyone can do is argue their point logically or illogically. There are plenty of extreme close-ups of the TIEs in action throughout ANH (specifically during the Falcon escape battle) and not once do they even remotely appear bluish in any way, shape or form. To do it for EMPIRE is one thing, as that is how they originally appeared. Considering that even Lucas has never blued the TIEs in any incarnation of ANH should say something.
not blue
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
The TIEs appeared as blue in many shots in ANH. As we know, the GOUT is pretty faded and desaturated, losing a lot of the blue tints. You can't use this as a reference for colour. but even with the fading you can see shots where the TIEs are blue tinted, even in the scene you say they never appear bluish in any way shape or form
Now these were just 2 examples
The 1997 SE is supposed to be the closest for colour reference to how ANH originally looked (before the tinting added in 2004). Now there are many times that the TIEs are clearly blue tinted
And the model you posted the pic of was sold at auction in 2008 and the pic of the model used for the brochure shows that it wasn't as white as it looked in the bluescreen photo you posted:
Now the TIEs changed from grey to blue even in the original. They were never grey 100% of the time
Monroville said:
Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).
Now that's just not true and i posted links to screenshot comparisons a few pages back that proves that isn't the case.It may look that way in the youtube video because the blue may stand out more because of the tint added to the whole shot in 2004 coloured the stardestroyers in the background
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-UPDATED-CHANGES-LIST-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/565636/#TopicPost565636
Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)
Dam it! Just once I wish Adywan could be wrong about something!....;)
Seriously Adywan, you being proven correct all the time is annoying...LMAO
Good to know you are on our side and not working for the dark side of the force at Lucas Ranch.
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Could it be that the blue screen was so close to the TIE models when they were being filmed that some of the studio light bounced off the screen and onto the models? The TIEs would be exposed to different shades of light? Is that why they ended up various shades of blue in ANH?
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I'm going to say that ANH tie fighters were grey and in ESB they changed it to blue. It's a very good point that when you pump up the saturation on the GOUT, colour restores to things that looked greyscale previously--the Death Star is another big change that happens once you restore it's colour (that is, mainly blue-tinted). But other things happen too, and you see some of the flaws in the opticals. The reason ties in ANH look blue is the same reason X-Wings look green and pink in the same amount of shots. It's just what happens when you do optical composites--it never looks exactly right. In some shots, the "black" space has also printed blue, especially in cockpit shots. I think it's kind of neat to have these subtle mismatches in the film, you appreciate how hard it was to do these opticals.
In ESB though, the blue is so pronounced and consistent it's clear they were doing it on purpose. In fact, maybe the whole ANH thing was part of their reasoning--since the tie's were printing as blue half the time maybe it would be better to just do that on purpose. Or maybe seeing the look of the blue-printed tie's inspired them to colour them differently in the sequel. If I remember right they went back to the grey colour for ROTJ, the opticals seem better quality so maybe that was why.
The original TIE models made for ANH in 1977 were blue; however, they where recolored to a lighter gray and were filmed that way before the composite stage because the limitations of the blue screen technology made the TIE's transparent. I think the initial film release for ANH back in 1977 had all the TIE's gray. I do know all the film re-releases and video releases have them with the bluish tint Just like Ady has pointed out.
That blue screen pic that monroville posted is accurate. That TIE is gray.
The TIE's in ESB and JEDI were more gray with a bluish hue added in post.
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adywan said:
The TIEs appeared as blue in many shots in ANH. As we know, the GOUT is pretty faded and desaturated, losing a lot of the blue tints. You can't use this as a reference for colour. but even with the fading you can see shots where the TIEs are blue tinted, even in the scene you say they never appear bluish in any way shape or form
Now these were just 2 examples
The 1997 SE is supposed to be the closest for colour reference to how ANH originally looked (before the tinting added in 2004). Now there are many times that the TIEs are clearly blue tinted
And the model you posted the pic of was sold at auction in 2008 and the pic of the model used for the brochure shows that it wasn't as white as it looked in the bluescreen photo you posted:
Now the TIEs changed from grey to blue even in the original. They were never grey 100% of the time
Monroville said:
Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).
Now that's just not true and i posted links to screenshot comparisons a few pages back that proves that isn't the case.It may look that way in the youtube video because the blue may stand out more because of the tint added to the whole shot in 2004 coloured the stardestroyers in the background
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-UPDATED-CHANGES-LIST-NOW-AVAILABLE/post/565636/#TopicPost565636
Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)
If that's the case, then nothing needs to be changed then. It's interesting that I've never noticed those shots you posted, so I guess it's time to watch STAR WARS: ANH again (twisting arm now).
I would like to see side-by-side comparisons between the big LD release, the "original" version that came out as the second DVD with the SE, the 1997 SE and the 2004 SE to see the differences in color balances. I have a DVD-R of the LD I made somewhere, as well as the SE with the original version included.
In regards to the clip you posted and my comment that there are a few shots where your TIES appear blue-er than the originals, I will post some screen caps to back up my point.
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Here's a photo of a blue TIE fighter at the Star Wars exhibit with a sign that reads:
"The Twin Ion Engine (TIE) fighter was originally designed to be blue, but the blue screen technology of the time couldn't cope with a blue ship, so it was painted grey. As the technology improved through Episodes V and VI, the TIE fighters got a bit bluer."
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First of all, Ady can make them whatever color he wants.
Second, the Tie Fighters are in ESB all of a minute. Who cares.
Ziz said:
adywan said:
Well it looks like ANH had the Great Flipper debate, ESB has the Great Blue TIE debate and i hate to think what the Great Debate fro ROTJ will be. ;)
I heard there was a stray bit of grass that got stuck in Wicket's ear.
Actually you'll find it was a leaf on Chewies foot!!!
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SexyElvis5 said:
"The Twin Ion Engine (TIE) fighter was originally designed to be blue, but the blue screen technology of the time couldn't cope with a blue ship, so it was painted grey. As the technology improved through Episodes V and VI, the TIE fighters got a bit bluer."
Ooooh! So it was George Lucas's original intent that the TIE Fighters be blueish, and Adywan is just restoring that intent!
Haven't you seen the 2004 SE DVDs? It was George's intention that EVERYTHING be blue :P
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nightstalkerpoet said:
Haven't you seen the 2004 SE DVDs? It was George's intention that EVERYTHING be blue :P
Everything except some random space shots of R2....where his panels are black.
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