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ctlw83 said:

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Unlike the whole "red AT-AT windows and green AT-AT laser thing", the work on making the TIEs grey has already been done.  It would be nice to at least have the option of a grey TIE version if it comes to it.

My biggest issue is mainly maintaining continuity with ANH.  While I personally love the visual aspect better, I would rather have continuity continue than retcon ANH.

Even so, I've more than made my piece, so I will leave the "grey versus blue" debate and give the floor to someone else.

I think that it might be better to fit the intent of the original models used in this case.  Just my opinion.  However, I also understand the continuity thing with ANH.

Maybe, just maybe, we could postulate that the empire decided to add some blue paint/metal to the TIE fighters in order to make them more appealing for new recruits.  I mean, there is nothing to say that ONLY clones could be pilots and that the empire didn't take on additional recruits.  After all, which would you rather drive, a pure grey car or a bluish grey car if you had the choice?

I don't what the real story in the EU is for the change but, I like using my imagination. :)

It doesn't matter what the models look like.  It only matters what they look like on screen. 

Regardless, I just hope the option is explored and at least considered.

         

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ray_afraid said:

I know it's only a model either way, but the grey ties just look more realistic to my eyes. The blue ties look like toys- looks like they were made of plastic. And the idea that the Empire would paint their fighters blue just seems goofy and out of place.

But I do understand the want/need to have them stand out against the Stardestroyers/DS... Didn't Ady say that they would be less blue than the DVD/BD but more so than the ANH:R ties? ...They still look awfully blue in the latest clip.

The thing is: the TIES are moving more than fast enough that even being grey you can obviously tell where they are and what they are doing.  Was this same argument made with grey TIEs flying over the grey Death Star?  Did they get lost in the visual commotion then?

 

Erikstormtrooper said:

COME JOIN THE IMPERIAL NAVY. OUR SHIPS HAVE FRESH PAINT!

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RLOL.  Okay, I swear, this is it.  No more about the grey/blue TIEs from me.  Or at least for the next hour...

I'm starting to feel like Al Pacino in GODFATHER III:

"Every time I start to get out of the grey/blue TIE fighter debate (that, granted, I helped to create), they pull me right back in!"

         

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doubleofive said:

Just to spur more debate*:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerebus19/6790957045/

One of the GeekDads was at ILM this week and got this picture. Definitely obviously blue. I believe Ady is going to attempt the blue the fighters in ANHRHD.

Definitely blue in the model.  However, depending on the lighting and the way in which said model was shot, the blue could come out to be more of a bluish-grey rather than the extremely bright hue when you see the model in florescent lighting.  If I saw that on the screen, it would, as others mentioned, look like a toy.

However, they move so fast it can be hard to catch/tell except under certain conditions.

Which again, brings me to my opinion on it.  It needs to have enough blue not to be a bland grey but, not so much blue that it looks un-natural and detracts from other elements in the shot.

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Actually, that picture amuses me... because there is the actual model, and a picture from the film below. Perhaps Ady could use this image as a source to color correct the VERY blue film version to the blue gray of the model.

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doubleofive said:

Just to spur more debate*:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerebus19/6790957045/

One of the GeekDads was at ILM this week and got this picture. Definitely obviously blue. I believe Ady is going to attempt the blue the fighters in ANHRHD.

If you think that the tie model in that pic is "Blue" you might need to check your eyes for color blindness...lol

Come on now its not blue. The reference frame beneath it is but...

If Adywan's ties were the same shade of blue-grey that the model is then maybe the debate would fade some.

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OK...so it is more of a Cyan than blue...

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Of course if we are going off the Lucas Ranch models then check this out.

 

 

 

Sorry Adywan. But I think going off what someone's pics of Lucas Ranch models as something that is gospel might be troublesome at best. Or is it?

Both the Yoda model and the Tie model pics from the Lucas Ranch are claimed to be the actual real models used in the film. So why match the Tie fighters in the film to the Lucas Ranch Tie colors and not Yoda?

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And BTW thank you Adywan for replying to my earlier post about R2's eye...I didn't see that you had replied until today. Thank you for the attention to detail in regards to R2's eye.

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Wasn't it the case that the models used in the first film were grey but were repainted blue for ESB?

If that's the case one could argue that the blue fighters come from the blue Executor and the grey ones come from the grey Star Destroyers and the grey Death Star.

The colour could be a base-ship identifying mark.

It might make sense after a battle to be able to visually identify which damaged or wrecked fighters were from the command ship and which ones were deployed from the other fleet ships.

Doing that would maintain design features from the original film but give a logical rationale for the design difference.

In which case you could keep the grey fighters in ANH, have most of the fighters blue in ESB and have a mix of grey and blue in ROTJ.

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Is it time to bring out the purple TIE Fighters again?

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vbangle said:

Of course if we are going off the Lucas Ranch models then check this out.

 

 

 

Sorry Adywan. But I think going off what someone's pics of Lucas Ranch models as something that is gospel might be troublesome at best. Or is it?

Both the Yoda model and the Tie model pics from the Lucas Ranch are claimed to be the actual real models used in the film. So why match the Tie fighters in the film to the Lucas Ranch Tie colors and not Yoda?

I think it's been documented that Yoda's original latex skin rotted away years ago.

There was a photo of an ILM storage area in Smithsonian Magazine in the 90's and a half rotted Yoda skin could be seen lying on a work table. Kind of a gruesome sight!

Where were you in '77?

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Alas, poor Yoda...we knew him well...

(and that sure wasn't him in that glass case)

But thankfully, adywan is bringing him back.

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Heh.  All somebody had to do was mention the Tie debate and look what happens.

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SilverWook said:

I think it's been documented that Yoda's original latex skin rotted away years ago.

There was a photo of an ILM storage area in Smithsonian Magazine in the 90's and a half rotted Yoda skin could be seen lying on a work table. Kind of a gruesome sight!

I believe you're correct.  If memory serves, there's a photo in my Lucasfilm Archives book that shows the original muppet, and the latex was in pretty bad shape at the time the photograph was taken.

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corellian77 said:



SilverWook said:

I think it's been documented that Yoda's original latex skin rotted away years ago.

There was a photo of an ILM storage area in Smithsonian Magazine in the 90's and a half rotted Yoda skin could be seen lying on a work table. Kind of a gruesome sight!


I believe you're correct.  If memory serves, there's a photo in my Lucasfilm Archives book that shows the original muppet, and the latex was in pretty bad shape at the time the photograph was taken.
Did Yoda ever appear on The Muppet Show??? ;-)

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<blockquote><p><strong>TV's Frink</strong> said:</p><p><blockquote>Did Yoda ever appear on The Muppet Show??? ;-)</p></blockquote><p> </p>

He had a cameo in <i>A Very Merry Muppet Christmas</i>. Threepio, Artoo, Chewie and Luke (and his cousin, Mark Hamill!) appeared on <i>The Muppet Show</i> in 1980, presumably during the shooting of <i>Empire</i> as Luke's wearing his Bespin fatigues (Link Hogthrob: 'I like your outfit! Who's your tailor?'). It's a very funny episode - Gonzo as 'Dirth Nader'! - and Mark has a lot of fun sending himself up :-)

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TV's Frink said:

Did Yoda ever appear on The Muppet Show??? ;-)

I think he went on record as saying he would have liked to, but his involvement in the Broadway musical "Yoda and the Technicolor Gimer Stick" prevented him from doing so at the time.

Actually, it appears I'm mistaken.  He's not a muppet after all (from muppet.wikia.com):

"A popular misconception is that Yoda is a Muppet, based on the involvement of Oz, the character's existence as a puppet, vocal similarity to Grover, and a false assumption that The Jim Henson Company... built the character... The puppet was originally designed and built by Stuart Freeborn for LucasFilm and Industrial Light & Magic."

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I remember something in the documentaries for the SE that Jim Henson was consulted on the Yoda puppet but, in terms of the actual puppet itself, Yoda is not a Muppet.  The clearest way you can tell is because Yoda doesn't have a foam-ball nose or sing songs and dance.

Also, I don't know of many Muppets with a latex skin.  They tend to have fleece or felt.

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The same article which I quoted above states that, had Henson built the puppet, he would have more accurately been classified as a "creature."

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doubleofive said:

Just to spur more debate*:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerebus19/6790957045/

It doesn't matter what the models look like.  It only matters what they look like on screen. 

         

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SilverWook said:

I think it's been documented that Yoda's original latex skin rotted away years ago.

There was a photo of an ILM storage area in Smithsonian Magazine in the 90's and a half rotted Yoda skin could be seen lying on a work table. Kind of a gruesome sight!

Fair Enough. So the Offical Yoda puppet or "creature" on display at the Lucas Ranch is a recreation. That's still doesn't preclude the possiblity that is not an accurate recreation.

To me Yoda should look less blue-green. But let me make this perfectly clear. This only my opinion. I know and accept that my opinon has no bearing on ADYWAN"S edit. But I am free to voice my opinion here, am I not?

Just taking a quick look out in Google Land here are a few pics that look more like I remember Yoda looking.

As compared to this...

 

It is my hope that Adywan will take some time and reconsider the color choices he's made for Yoda. The color differences alone in Yoda's outfit and hair color are striking...surely I'm not the only one here that thinks this?

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There is a world of difference between publicity photographs and film stills.

Not only is the lighting different, the film different etc but also still prints or negatives store differently and age differently.

If your memory is formed from looking more at books of on set photographs it will taint your impression of film footage.

Also (and I am aware that this doesn't effect everyone) very large images that stretch over the forum tram-lines can shunt the whole forum out of wack for some readers so (as a general request) if you have a large image to post could you please reduce it down so it sits inside the borders of the forum page.

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I can't agree more.  You can't just go with how the model looks under florescent lighting.  The color will completely be off compared to the way it looks compared to how it looks on set.

The film degradation thing never occurred to me.  So the question is, because film degrades over time, wouldn't that mean even scans of a 9 or 35 mm print be faded or mis-colored?  Then, we would have to go off either VHS tapes of Star Wars off Fox from the 80s but, those also degrade over time and tend to have poor image quality.  Then that brings us to the '97 SE versions which are horribly "color corrected".

So how do we really come down to the "real" colors of the film.  Basically, it is a best guess depending upon memory and personal taste.  I mean, to me personally, I'd say that clearly we can't go with the "intent" of Lucas on this because according to him, the "revised" versions are the way he "meant" them to be so, he is happy with that.

My first exposure to the original films was on VHS via the Fox broadcast so, I tend to be more partial to those levels of coloration.  But, if something could be tweaked to be made more "ideal" I would be OK with it.

However, at the end of the day the color interpretation on this project will end up being Ady's choice.  I am just hoping for colors that do justice to the films and end up flowing with them.  I don't want cyan/hot blue TIE fighters or a neon green Yoda, which I know Ady wouldn't ever do.

My feeling on Yoda is that Ady has hit that one right on the head.  However, the TIEs appear to be up to some debate still.  My opinion on them is go grey with a slight blue tint but, not enough to be overpowering.  But, again, that is my opinion.

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I'm sorry, but this isn't a preservation. Ady doesn't need to go with the original colors. He can go with whatever colors he wants. This is his fan-edit.