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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 68

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Adywan, one question/suggestion about the opening crawl. You mentioned earlier that you were likely going to use the Star Wars logo from a foreign language version so it more closely matched the PT for visual continuity. On the same vein have you considered using the opening music from a PT source? The reason I suggest this is the fact that the PT music was recorded in much higher quality. Since this is the point in the movie where the difference in audio quality is most noticeable, you could use the PT source during the crawl, then fade to the original score where the action on screen, mixed with the change in musical cues, would hide the change in audio quality.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Im not sure if this was ever discussed or anything could really be done about it but, when Han is in the docking bay on Tatooine and he begins firing at the stormtroopers he shoots with an overwhelming wet noodle wrist, I didnt know if it were possible to morph his hand/wrist/blaster so its not flapping around like a flag as he shots at the stormtroopers.

Already been taken care of.
Originally posted by: SluggoAnd Ady, you ought to put a deadline on all the suggestions (most of them are pretty good) so you can actually finish this bad boy on time.

Well i don't mind the if suggestions keep coming, i can always say no or its already ben fixed. I may have missed something that i planned to do after all. But , unless it is something i've missed, then the movie is complete apart from the Death Star battle and i won't be doing any revisions on anything already complete.
Originally posted by: TheTome
Adywan, one question/suggestion about the opening crawl. You mentioned earlier that you were likely going to use the Star Wars logo from a foreign language version so it more closely matched the PT for visual continuity. On the same vein have you considered using the opening music from a PT source? The reason I suggest this is the fact that the PT music was recorded in much higher quality. Since this is the point in the movie where the difference in audio quality is most noticeable, you could use the PT source during the crawl, then fade to the original score where the action on screen, mixed with the change in musical cues, would hide the change in audio quality.

No, i won't be using the PT score for the opening crawl but i am using the CD soundtrack instead for all channels apart from the centre channel because its actually higher quality than the DVD score.

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Would it be possible to convert the DD 5.1 data to DTS, improving the sound quality, and making it more discrete? I know the sound quality wont be much better due to your source material, but it will still be better due to DTS having a faster data rate of 780 to 1600 kbps, compared to DD having a data rate of 480 kbps, and it will be more discrete. Is it possible for you to convert it?

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Hey Ady, I had a couple of quick questions for you:

You mentioned using the CD soundtrack as an audio source... does that mean that the scratchy, tinny 20th Century Fox fanfare on the 2004 DVD will be replaced with something that sounds a bit better?

Also, awhile back you mentioned tinkering further with that shot where a slew of TIEs fly in during the Death Star battle. Were you able to pull off what you had wanted?

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Originally posted by: AuggieBenDoggie
Would it be possible to convert the DD 5.1 data to DTS, improving the sound quality, and making it more discrete? I know the sound quality wont be much better due to your source material, but it will still be better due to DTS having a faster data rate of 780 to 1600 kbps, compared to DD having a data rate of 480 kbps, and it will be more discrete. Is it possible for you to convert it?

as much as i would love to do a DTS track (especially a 6.1 track) i don't have a DTS encoder or the money to purchase one. So it will be Dolby Digital 5.1
Originally posted by: corellian77
Hey Ady, I had a couple of quick questions for you:

You mentioned using the CD soundtrack as an audio source... does that mean that the scratchy, tinny 20th Century Fox fanfare on the 2004 DVD will be replaced with something that sounds a bit better?

Also, awhile back you mentioned tinkering further with that shot where a slew of TIEs fly in during the Death Star battle. Were you able to pull off what you had wanted?

The 20th Century Fox fanfare has been taken from a newly released Fox DVD so its miles better quality and in 5.1

I'm still in the planning stages of the TIE shot and will be a lot different than the original one so fingers crossed this can be done

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Speaking of sound .... are you going to have the original Krayt dragon sound that Ben used to scareoff the sand people or the crazy angry chicken sound that now graces the SE mix. Also does anyone have a clean version of that sound (Krayt dragon).... I want to use it on a personal project?
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Tue August 14, 2007 at 10:38 PM by AuggieBenDoggie
Would it be possible to convert the DD 5.1 data to DTS, improving the sound quality, and making it more discrete? I know the sound quality wont be much better due to your source material, but it will still be better due to DTS having a faster data rate of 780 to 1600 kbps, compared to DD having a data rate of 480 kbps, and it will be more discrete. Is it possible for you to convert it?


You can not upgrade a DD track to DTS and improve the soundquality... As the source is not the quality that you need for making a good DTS track. The only thing you can do is remix the DD track so that the effects are 'better'. You see the same thing with those upmix DTS audio CD's which are all over the internet they are all sourced from a stereo track and remixed to a fake DTS track.

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well not strictly true marco.

uncompressing a 5.1 track to then edit and recompress back to 5.1 digital is going to lose you some quality. if you could compress the new master track into DTS you would less, but like you say, it won't be 'better' than the original source material.

ady, I actually have a DTS encoder if you're interested.
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Yes your right indeed, DTS would be a nice gadget but it would not make Ady's release any 'better'....
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Originally posted by: 8t88
Yes your right indeed, DTS would be a nice gadget but it would not make Ady's release any 'better'....

If there were a DTS track, I hope it wouldn't be at the expense of video bitrate or other aspects of the presentation. I only know one person who even has a DTS-capable system -- it doesn't seem so widespread that it would be worth making sacrifices elsewhere.

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Originally posted by: ron2112
Originally posted by: 8t88
Yes your right indeed, DTS would be a nice gadget but it would not make Ady's release any 'better'....

If there were a DTS track, I hope it wouldn't be at the expense of video bitrate or other aspects of the presentation. I only know one person who even has a DTS-capable system -- it doesn't seem so widespread that it would be worth making sacrifices elsewhere.


I almost do not know anybody who hasn't got a DTS-capable system, i personally think that a (professional) DTS track is a must. It's one off the things which let me decide if a buy a retail DVD or not, but in this case of Ady's release it has no extra value and can be left of so that the videobitrate can be as high as possible.


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Originally posted by: 8t88

You can not upgrade a DD track to DTS and improve the soundquality... As the source is not the quality that you need for making a good DTS track. The only thing you can do is remix the DD track so that the effects are 'better'.

Yes your right indeed, DTS would be a nice gadget but it would not make Ady's release any 'better'....

I almost do not know anybody who hasn't got a DTS-capable system, i personally think that a (professional) DTS track is a must. It's one off the things which let me decide if a buy a retail DVD or not, but in this case of Ady's release it has no extra value and can be left of so that the videobitrate can be as high as possible.

Well i've been pondering if i should include a DTS track or not but the bitrate would suffer because i would also have to include and AC3 track for all those that don't have DTS systems. But saying my release wouldn't have extra value to have this track must mean that you haven't been following the thread too closely. As i stated from the start the sound mix will be a completely new mix using the 5.1 DVd track as a base only. Surround channels have been redone, left & right have been changed also with the musical score taken mostly from the CD's which are higher quality than the original score on the 5.1 track, remixed FX and extras added. It would not be just a remix or a slight tweak to make it sound slightly better.

Saying that though i know people that their dvd player can't decode DTS unless through a surround system and if played through the TV there is no sound and also most cheap cinema systems don't do DTS either so its looking at the moment that it will contain just the 5.1 AC3 track. The only thing that would sway me to add DTS would be if i had a 6.1 DTS encoder. The DTS encoder i have been given (which i am very grateful for)can only handle 5.1 so no DTS track.
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Speaking of sound .... are you going to have the original Krayt dragon sound that Ben used to scare off the sand people or the crazy angry chicken sound that now graces the SE mix?

Yes the original sound is back but slightly tweaked. I hate that pathetic synthesised whistle that is on the DVDs. It was present in the original mix but only as part of the mix. I guess Ben Burrt struck again with this and mucked up the sound mix. How the hell can the sandpeople be scared of that? I know that Ben says they are easily scared but that's just ridiculous.

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Originally posted by 8t88:

You can not upgrade a DD track to DTS and improve the soundquality... As the source is not the quality that you need for making a good DTS track. The only thing you can do is remix the DD track so that the effects are 'better'. You see the same thing with those upmix DTS audio CD's which are all over the internet they are all sourced from a stereo track and remixed to a fake DTS track.


As I said in my earlier post it wouldn't be much better due to the source being DD 5.1, but having a faster transfer rate would give it a slight advantage sonically, depending on what kind of data rate you wanted, and it would be more discrete as opposed to Dolby Digital's logic steering. It really depends on your players codecs in the end on wether or not you can actually hear a difference.



Originally posted by Tellan:

uncompressing a 5.1 track to then edit and recompress back to 5.1 Dolby Digital is going to lose you some quality. If you could compress the new master track into DTS you would loose less, but like you say, it won't be 'better' than the original source material.


I have to dissagree with you on that tellan, my appologies.


I would like to note that I made a mistake on the bit rate of dts at 780 kbps instead of 760 kbps on that last post.


Anyway, it's not so much the compression but rather the Data rate thats the most important factor. The compression is mainly there to account for the bandwith on the media, but it does affect sound quality to a small degree. For example, compressing a DTS track at 760 kbps will not sound much dirrerent at all than Dolby Digital at 430 kbps. Play any movie on dvd that has DD at 480 kbps, and DTS at 760kbps on the same disk, and even though the compression methods a quite different ( DD at 12:1 and DTS at 6:1 ), it's difficult to tell the two apart. You might notice that DTS has a slight edge but not very much. Compressing a DTS track at 1600 kbps ( actually 1.6 mbps in larger terms ) will score you a night for day difference.

If Adywan did decided to convert ( just for the arguments sake ) I highly reccomend the 1600 kbps data rate due to the source material being Dolby Digital, and that faster data rate could very well bring out just a little more in the soundtrack. It might not be much more, but you might be able to tell a difference with good playback codecs.

But anyway, I will still enjoy ADYWANS StarWars no matter how it's presented.

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Made some mistake on those Dolby and DTS spec's, they are as followed..... DD 448 kbps at 12:1 compression scheme, DTS 768 kbps and 1600kbps ( 1.6 mbps ) at 4:1 compression scheme. My appologies for the mistakes.

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Adywan,

I the case that you use other sources better then the original DD5.1 a DTS track would be a welcome addition! Please do so and release your version on DVD9 to keep a good videobitrate. I case you need some software for creating DTS let me know i have some lying around here.

Keep up the good work,

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Hey Ady, I've been lurking here for a long time and I would like to ask you if there will be a commentary for this edit. I would also suggest that you make a 2-disc set of the edit, if you can't fit the movie and the Special Features on one DVD9 disc.

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I wouldn't even mind a three disc set...lol... ; P
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I just can't wait to see the damn movie, much less extras and all this other...well, crap.
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I have confidence that anything that AdyWan puts out would never be crap.

I say we waited 30 years, what is a few more months...lol...
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I believe Ady mentioned a November release for this project a few threads back.

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Looks like this will be impressive...


very impressive.

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This is shaping up in such an awesome way. November isn't too far away now. All my best Adywan. If you need anything, call me. - nohandluke
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Ok, just a quickie here cuz i'm working flat out at the moment. I just wanted you guys opinions an a new Fx shot i have finished. One thing i have always hated is the shot where the Y-wings head towards the trench and the shot starts off with a bad 2D matte then a quick flash happens when joined with the model shot. it looks terrible and the join jumps right out at you. Well i have redone the 2D matte to help sort out this issue. I'm really happy with it but i just need some fresh eyes on it. the camera movement as it zooms in was really hard to get right so the final frame before the flash merges in with the model footage but this is the best i'm going to get it so this shot i am classing as complete. Its only a very short clip but there is a couple of new unseen Fx shots.

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I think it looks pretty darn good, especially for a shot that will be over before you know it. Of course if the ships were modeled, a bit of rotation would really liven up the shot, but in the absence of that option I think this looks dandy.

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