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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 478

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Ice said:

Although I don’t think it’s necessary, seeing Guiness’ “Anakin” from ROTJ dubbed in place over the “Darth” would be an interesting excercise for sure. The mouth would have to be animated a little extra

That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

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The Golden Idol said:

Ice said:

Although I don’t think it’s necessary, seeing Guiness’ “Anakin” from ROTJ dubbed in place over the “Darth” would be an interesting excercise for sure. The mouth would have to be animated a little extra

That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

Not only that, any more dialogue changes would probably not help ANH even further.

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The Golden Idol said:

That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

For anyone who’s less then 5 years old, lives under a rock, or has been in a coma since 1979.

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G&G-Fan said:

The Golden Idol said:

That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

For anyone who’s less then 5 years old, lives under a rock, or has been in a coma since 1979.

This reminds me, Anakin’s name reveal in ROTJ is very nonchalant. You’d think it’d be a bigger moment (from the 1983 perspective), but it’s just dumped out unceremoniously.

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That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

Oh, I agree!
I don’t want this in any edit; I just think it would be a fun thing to do

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adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

This is stunning! 😍

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Artan42 said:

RogueLeader said:

marioxb said:

adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

Looks great! I just can’t help but think that, knowing what we now know, I don’t think Obi Wan would call him “Darth”, would he? I think Anakin or Vader would be better. Maybe both?

Try to imagine a scene where a younger Obi-Wan is confronting Count Dooku and says, “You can’t win, Count.” It feels like a perfectly natural line that he would say, in my opinion. So with that in mind, I think you can easily interpret it as Obi-Wan just calling him by his Sith title. In the past a lot of people have suggested Obi-Wan says it mockingly. Of course, all of this is a retroactive interpretation, but I think it works enough that it doesn’t warrant changing it.

Anyway, great work Ady!

Dooku is almost exclusively addressed as Dooku by Kenobi not Count (though that’s not really the point) and Count can and has been used as a singular address. Darth is however never used as a singular address by any character for any Sith. It doesn’t sound mocking, it’s phrased casually as if Kenobi is using it as a name which doesn’t fit how Kenobi addresses Vader before or since and people in general (he uses names not titles for basically everyone except the Emperor).

Sounds like grasping at straws to justify a complaint one person had years ago when they weren’t paying attention and everyone since is parroting without thinking it through. Just like Ben “forgetting” R2 even though he never says he doesn’t know him, just that he doesn’t remember owning a droid.

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Having him call Darth Vader “Anakin” at this point in the timeline would be a bad idea all around. I think it’s important that when he tells Luke that Darth Vader killed his father, he’s also lying to himself. In his mind, Vader is all hatred and has no Anakin left in him. If he still thinks of Vader as Anakin, it makes his lie to Luke seem more manipulative.

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Octorox said:

Having him call Darth Vader “Anakin” at this point in the timeline would be a bad idea all around. I think it’s important that when he tells Luke that Darth Vader killed his father, he’s also lying to himself. In his mind, Vader is all hatred and has no Anakin left in him. If he still thinks of Vader as Anakin, it makes his lie to Luke seem more manipulative.

Valid points. As long as it’s not changed to Ben calling him ‘ANI’, I’m good. 😉

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adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

I’m curious, is it possible to remove those extra flashes where their sabers aren’t clashing? Is that something you tried? Those always bothered me.

It’s when they’re talking to each other and they’re not striking or attacking at all. But there’s huge flashes still.

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TheBoogeyman1023 said:

adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

I’m curious, is it possible to remove those extra flashes where their sabers aren’t clashing? Is that something you tried? Those always bothered me.

It’s when they’re talking to each other and they’re not striking or attacking at all. But there’s huge flashes still.

You mean when it flashes green if so yeah that always bugged me too.

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Ice said:

Although I don’t think it’s necessary, seeing Guiness’ “Anakin” from ROTJ dubbed in place over the “Darth” would be an interesting excercise for sure. The mouth would have to be animated a little extra

Yeah if it was going to be used done at all it would need to be “Vader” not “Anakin”.

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KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

The Golden Idol said:

Ice said:

Although I don’t think it’s necessary, seeing Guiness’ “Anakin” from ROTJ dubbed in place over the “Darth” would be an interesting excercise for sure. The mouth would have to be animated a little extra

That would ruin the twist in TESB entirely.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

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I thought even if Kenobi ‘did’ refer to him as Anakin, what if copying and pasting Vader’s line from RotJ about ‘that name no longer having any meaning to me’ as a response to Obi-Wan maybe could fuel his anger even more while also adding more dialogue to the duel?

Then there’s also the second time Ben calls him Darth. It’s not like Vader will go into a fit of rage like his grandson… 😂

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Artan42 said:

KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

Wrong, he calls Vader Darth.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

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DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Arntan you aren’t wrong. In the world of social media we live in today future generation will likely know from a very early age that Vader is Luke’s father. It’s something that people know even when they have never seen Star Wars.
However…
“SPOILERS”
Should Lord of the Rings star with a disclamer saying that Frodo go to Middle Earth heaven at the end of RotK?
What would be the point in watching sixth sence if the movie said Bruce Willi was a ghost in the first line?

Yes, you may already know the plot twist is coming and what it is. But hey, you still watch the movie anticipating the at moment.
Your ideas aren’t to be ignored, but this edit does have very clear goals, and the secret of Luke’s father remaining intact is one of them. And he has already said its staying ‘Darth’ which is fair enough any, way you look at it because he has a lot to do, two whole edits do.

TLDR: Just because people know the twist, doesn’t mean its meaningless. I’d suggest reading the first page of this edit before making suggestsions because they have value, just maybe not suited to this edit.

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DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

Wrong, he calls Vader Darth.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Oh look, you don’t know how to draw context from previous posts. Let me spell it out so you don’t get even more confused. His calling Vader ‘Darth’ in ANH is an example of early instalment weirdness that needs to be special editioned to fix it and allow it to match developments made since the release of ANH.

Fell free to ignore it, nobody is forcing you to reply to it. If you want to pretend you have to watch ESB before RotS go for it, nobody watching the series on Disney+ or their box sets will be doing that though.

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DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Arntan you aren’t wrong. In the world of social media we live in today future generation will likely know from a very early age that Vader is Luke’s father. It’s something that people know even when they have never seen Star Wars.
However…
“SPOILERS”
Should Lord of the Rings star with a disclamer saying that Frodo go to Middle Earth heaven at the end of RotK?
What would be the point in watching sixth sence if the movie said Bruce Willi was a ghost in the first line?

Yes, you may already know the plot twist is coming and what it is. But hey, you still watch the movie anticipating the at moment.
Your ideas aren’t to be ignored, but this edit does have very clear goals, and the secret of Luke’s father remaining intact is one of them. And he has already said its staying ‘Darth’ which is fair enough any, way you look at it because he has a lot to do, two whole edits do.

TLDR: Just because people know the twist, doesn’t mean its meaningless. I’d suggest reading the first page of this edit before making suggestsions because they have value, just maybe not suited to this edit.

Does ESB start with a disclaimer that Vader is Luke’s father? No, so why would LoTR? Frodo leaving ME in the context of the films isn’t something previously revealed (it is in the books but they’re a separate medium) nor is it in the Hobbit films so it’s not even comparable. That would be an instance of spoiling something that happens in the end of those films, RotS comes before ESB so there is no spoiling going on.
The ‘twist’ is as meaningful as the identity of the Emperor being Palpatine in TPM and there’s been no attempt made to hide that.

I’m well aware of the goals of this project and Adywan seldom takes suggestions which is why this isn’t a suggestion, it’s commentary on the concept in general highlighted by an edit that fixes the clunkyness of the visuals of ANH without fixing the clunkness of the dialogue. I’m under no illusions that it’d be considered so I don’t consider it ignored.

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Artan42 said:
RotS comes before ESB so there is no spoiling going on.

You realize what website you’re on, right? No one on originaltrilogy.com is going to endorse the idea that the prequels come before the original trilogy in viewing order. Honestly they assume knowledge of the originals, hence why they don’t re-explain things like what the Force is, etc.

When Adywan was going to revisit the prequels, he was going to rework RotS in order to preserve the twist (which I’m not personally a fan of but it’s his preference), so I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.

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Release order > Chronological order

There’s another twist ruined by watching them in chrono order - the identity of Yoda

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Artan42 said:

DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

KumoNin said:

I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well

He’s only met Maul, Dooku, and Vader and he calls them by their names.

Wrong, he calls Vader Darth.

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Oh look, you don’t know how to draw context from previous posts. Let me spell it out so you don’t get even more confused. His calling Vader ‘Darth’ in ANH is an example of early instalment weirdness that needs to be special editioned to fix it and allow it to match developments made since the release of ANH.

Fell free to ignore it, nobody is forcing you to reply to it. If you want to pretend you have to watch ESB before RotS go for it, nobody watching the series on Disney+ or their box sets will be doing that though.

Telion said:

DominicCobb said:

Artan42 said:

There is no ‘twist’ in ESB. It’s no longer 1980 and there’s children just born that already know. Besides episode III is set first so anybody watching will already know who Vader is.

Thanks for letting us know that we should just ignore everything you’re saying.

Arntan you aren’t wrong. In the world of social media we live in today future generation will likely know from a very early age that Vader is Luke’s father. It’s something that people know even when they have never seen Star Wars.
However…
“SPOILERS”
Should Lord of the Rings star with a disclamer saying that Frodo go to Middle Earth heaven at the end of RotK?
What would be the point in watching sixth sence if the movie said Bruce Willi was a ghost in the first line?

Yes, you may already know the plot twist is coming and what it is. But hey, you still watch the movie anticipating the at moment.
Your ideas aren’t to be ignored, but this edit does have very clear goals, and the secret of Luke’s father remaining intact is one of them. And he has already said its staying ‘Darth’ which is fair enough any, way you look at it because he has a lot to do, two whole edits do.

TLDR: Just because people know the twist, doesn’t mean its meaningless. I’d suggest reading the first page of this edit before making suggestsions because they have value, just maybe not suited to this edit.

Does ESB start with a disclaimer that Vader is Luke’s father? No, so why would LoTR? Frodo leaving ME in the context of the films isn’t something previously revealed (it is in the books but they’re a separate medium) nor is it in the Hobbit films so it’s not even comparable. That would be an instance of spoiling something that happens in the end of those films, RotS comes before ESB so there is no spoiling going on.
The ‘twist’ is as meaningful as the identity of the Emperor being Palpatine in TPM and there’s been no attempt made to hide that.

I’m well aware of the goals of this project and Adywan seldom takes suggestions which is why this isn’t a suggestion, it’s commentary on the concept in general highlighted by an edit that fixes the clunkyness of the visuals of ANH without fixing the clunkness of the dialogue. I’m under no illusions that it’d be considered so I don’t consider it ignored.

Take the L and move on. It’s embarrassing at this point.

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To get us away from this tangent, I do wish Ady uses the classic subtitle font for Greedo.

Subs

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BedeHistory731 said:

To get us away from this tangent, I do wish Ady uses the classic subtitle font for Greedo.

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@starwarsfonts is an excellent resource.

Or maybe to use that as a source for the other subtitles as-well?

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Touching back on my End Credits, I had another idea.

https://youtu.be/sIPNormrPwg
Using this video as reference, why not for the first portion of the end credits, to play the score that goes from (0:00-2:18). Then right after, to insert the additional score to fit everyone who worked on, or had been involved in this film?