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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 42

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Beautiful! I CAN'T WAIT! By the way, is Ady going to do something about the outdated Falcon approach on Yavin 4?
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Amazing, as always, Adywan... You never fail to impress!

What's the timetable for the release now? It's not going to make it by May anymore?

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adywan, in that video clip you posted I noticed something you missed. The light surrounding the opening in the docking bay is not glowing and blurred from when Luke screams "NO" until the ship is leaving then the light starts glowing and becomes blurred. I have highlited in red what I am talking about.

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Originally posted by: RemixerBoss
Beautiful! I CAN'T WAIT! By the way, is Ady going to do something about the outdated Falcon approach on Yavin 4?


I agree with Remixer. It looks too old. It should show The whole Massassi Temple, like the one from Rogue Squadron 3 Rebel Strike.

 

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Re: Lightsaber fight music

Adywan, remember that sometimes the ABSENCE of music can be just as powerful. Not having music during the ObiWan/Vader fight makes the moment feel more real because it has not been "movied up." In all the Star Wars films, despite the long and powerful score, Lucas has always found moments to leave the music out, making it that much more effective.

Personally, I think taking a part of the movie that has no music and adding it is an example of "doing something because I can." Again, consider that the music is left out of that scene FOR A REASON.

Also, consider how powerful the musical score is that is about to follow; when Luke sees Ben die and screams, it's one of the best musical moments in the film. Again, the absence of music preceeding it "clears the pallete" if you will and makes the cue more emotional.
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Adywan, everything looks great, the tie fighter battle it's superb but I have to agree with everything Mojo_LA said in the above post, even though I love the Battle of the Heroes theme, I don't think it works very well for this scene, maybe if you could get a toned down version, so when Ben disappears and the original music kicks in the effect is not reduced then it could work better. but as of right now, I would prefer the original score. Keep up the good work, this is the edit I've looked forward to the most.
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Adywan, it seems you're receiving a lot of feedback, both congratulatory and critical, regarding the Ben vs. Vader duel. I just wanted to say that I think you should do whatever you believe works best for the edit. While it's important to listen to people's feedback (so that you can gain a different perspective on different elements of your work), ultimately this is your edit and you should do whatever you think works. That being said, although some people don't like the addition of the Battle of the Heros score to the scene, I understand your reasons for adding it, and as with all comments made here, you should weigh both sides of the issue, and ultimately do what you think is best for the film. Personally, I agree with those that have said the music during the Han/Leia/Luke conversation should be omitted or toned down, but during the duel it does give the scene more drama, and it's fitting having the same musical motif from their last duel together replayed here.

One thing I think we should all try to remember is that this is an improved version of the Special Edition; it's not an attempt at simply fixing the OUT. I therefore think that this is the perfect forum in which to play around with the film a little and have some fun with it, as long as the changes being made are done so conscienciously and not just "for the hell of it."

For those concerned about keeping the original film intact, we have a plethora of fan LD transfers out there, as well as the upcoming X0 project. So I say have some fun with this edit. Personally, while I'll always treasure the original version of Star Wars over any special edition, I'm very much looking forward to this release, as it looks to me to be the Special Edition we should have had all along.

Keep up the great work Ady.

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Adywan,

So far I have loved every single change you've made in your edition, but I do have to agree with a lot of people here that the "Battle of Heroes" music just doesn't work for the Vader/Obi-Wan duel. I realize that you're completely entitled to make any change you want to the films as this is your project afterall. However, this is one instance where I hope you might reconsider and omit the music from that scene. No matter what you choose to do, though, I hope you realize just how much everyone here appreciates your efforts and how we're all looking forward to the finished product. Keep up the good work, man.
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Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
Personally, I think taking a part of the movie that has no music and adding it is an example of "doing something because I can." Again, consider that the music is left out of that scene FOR A REASON.

I really can't see how you could possibly accuse me of doing something like that. If you have read throughout this thread you will see that there have been ideas i had and tried out that after i sat back and watched them in their entirety i agreed that they didn't work and they were removed.

the music as it stands on the clip is very "in your face" because this was just a very quick mix. It is going to be toned down a lot in the final edit. If you notice the shot where Obi-Wan's cloak drops has been lengthened so the original cue will no longer fit. If i posted the new saber battle in its entirety & with a finished mix then it might become clearer why i still believe that having the music does work.

I decided to do a quick render yesterday of the full battle and decided to show it to everyone that was at my BBQ last evening. 5 i know that are not star wars fans and have never even seen it (OMG ) so i could get a clearer view of the added music. the majority agreed with me on this matter and they loved the music saying it fits in nicely although a few did admit they were too interested in the new sabers than the music. It worled out at about 75% liked it, 25% either didn't or weren't too bothered by it. Maybe having 30 years without music in that scene is why most here don't like it. Who knows. But at the end of the day i do and that was the whole reason i started the project in the first place. I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn kid on this matter but this is the first time i will be going with the minority here on a subject, so the music stays, for the moment. If, after i sit down for the pre-release viewing i feel that it indeed doesn't fit then it will go. ..

Or i guess i could do an alternate mix as a secondary audio track that doesn't have the music i guess so you'd have a choice.

Originally posted by: Marvolo
adywan, in that video clip you posted I noticed something you missed. The light surrounding the opening in the docking bay is not glowing and blurred from when Luke screams "NO" until the ship is leaving then the light starts glowing and becomes blurred.

Thanks for noticing that, Marvolo. This slipped by me. Just fixed it.

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Have to say I loved the music, I think my reaction on seeing this was:

1. Cool! Battle of the Heroes from Episode III, nice mirroring.
2. Wow it fits perfectly!

I think I was then speechless for the rest of the clip...

Excellent work, still really looking forward to this. Long shot I know, but I'm guessing you haven't been future-proofing yourself and doing all this work in HD have you?

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Originally posted by: Marvolo
adywan, in that video clip you posted I noticed something you missed. The light surrounding the opening in the docking bay is not glowing and blurred from when Luke screams "NO" until the ship is leaving then the light starts glowing and becomes blurred.


It's actually like that before Luke screams "NO." Check out the background of the bay with the stormtroopers, when the heroes run toward the Falcon, and beyond. I'm not sure the glow/blur is supposed to really show up in what is essentially a background plate where the foreground characters/action are what is in focus. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Hey Ady,
As always I am impressed. What are your plans, if any, for the other movies? I'd love to see a Jedi edit done by you.
Again, truly amazing.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Wow, quick response! Thank you, and I give you my full support!

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
Personally, I think taking a part of the movie that has no music and adding it is an example of "doing something because I can." Again, consider that the music is left out of that scene FOR A REASON.

I really can't see how you could possibly accuse me of doing something like that. If you have read throughout this thread you will see that there have been ideas i had and tried out that after i sat back and watched them in their entirety i agreed that they didn't work and they were removed.

the music as it stands on the clip is very "in your face" because this was just a very quick mix. It is going to be toned down a lot in the final edit. If you notice the shot where Obi-Wan's cloak drops has been lengthened so the original cue will no longer fit. If i posted the new saber battle in its entirety & with a finished mix then it might become clearer why i still believe that having the music does work.

I decided to do a quick render yesterday of the full battle and decided to show it to everyone that was at my BBQ last evening. 5 i know that are not star wars fans and have never even seen it (OMG ) so i could get a clearer view of the added music. the majority agreed with me on this matter and they loved the music saying it fits in nicely although a few did admit they were too interested in the new sabers than the music. It worled out at about 75% liked it, 25% either didn't or weren't too bothered by it. Maybe having 30 years without music in that scene is why most here don't like it. Who knows. But at the end of the day i do and that was the whole reason i started the project in the first place. I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn kid on this matter but this is the first time i will be going with the minority here on a subject, so the music stays, for the moment. If, after i sit down for the pre-release viewing i feel that it indeed doesn't fit then it will go. ..

Or i guess i could do an alternate mix as a secondary audio track that doesn't have the music i guess so you'd have a choice.

Originally posted by: Marvolo
adywan, in that video clip you posted I noticed something you missed. The light surrounding the opening in the docking bay is not glowing and blurred from when Luke screams "NO" until the ship is leaving then the light starts glowing and becomes blurred.

Thanks for noticing that, Marvolo. This slipped by me. Just fixed it.



adywan, do whatever makes you happy. If you feel the music adds something positive to the scene then add the music. Something we all have to realize is that you have seen your edit of the duel in its entirity with music, and we have only seen a small part of your edit of the duel with music in it, so I am sure you know a little bit more about what works best with your version of the duel.


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First off Adywan, your clips always get me back in the mood to watch Star Wars. I'm always disappointed when they finish because I just want more.
Second. The music. A while ago (it might have been in this thread, i'm just too lazy to check) someone posted a clip of the battle between Darth and Obi-Wan with the Battle of Heroes music, and thought it was great, and still think that. Here's the way I see it: Back in 77 when Williams was scoring the movie, Star Wars was a very different movie. Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker to him and the audience were two different people. Vader was simply a bad guy, albiet a really cool one. There was no conflict of good in him. When it came time to score that scene, there was no reason to make it that emotional up until Obi-Wan dies. Fast forward to today, we have five more Star Wars movies, three of them devoted to the lives and relationships of those two people fighting. We are now emotionally invested in these two characters, knowing they had a teacher/student relationship, father/son-type relationship and a brother-brother relationship. If we watch the movies as a whole, that duel on the Death Star is missing something. It is the final battle between these two former friends, and there is no music at all just an old man and a machine. I personally believe that if A New Hope was made today Williams would put in a Battle of the Heroes bit of music in that scene. Sure, back when it came out it was devoid of music for a reason, however, today there are very good reasons for putting music in that scene.
Plus, this is Adywans edit, he can do whatever he wants. If he wants to replace all of the actors with Ewoks (or Gungans for that matter), then that's his perogative. Granted that would be a terrible perogative. We'd hunt him down and break his legs.
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Originally posted by: InvaderTim
A while ago (it might have been in this thread, i'm just too lazy to check) someone posted a clip of the battle between Darth and Obi-Wan with the Battle of Heroes music, and thought it was great, and still think that.


That was me.

I still think it could work.

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Superb work, ady. Nice job with the lightsabers and the TIE battle.

A minor criticism (and if you're not done mixing the sound then you've probably noticed already): when Ben says "run, Luke", Luke appears to be reacting before Ben has finished speaking. I'd be tempted to bring Ben's line forward a tiny bit to give Luke more chance to visibly react - IIRC Luke sort of ponders this a bit more in the original version (but then, I've not seen it for a long time so could easily be mistaken).
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Don't get me wrong, I too think it could work, but right now it is... how do I say this? LOUD, it just stands out way too much, I would like it if it were just an instrumental version and a little more subtle, then you would realize it is the battle of the heroes, it would sound familiar, but it would not jump at you like yeah this is just music from episode 3. In the end it is your choice and whatever makes you happy Adywan you should do, I know I will enjoy your edit either way.
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Plus, this is Adywans edit, he can do whatever he wants. If he wants to replace all of the actors with Ewoks (or Gungans for that matter), then that's his perogative.


Now THERE'S a fan edit just waiting to be made!

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Now THERE'S a fan edit just waiting to be made!


Gungan: Issa weesa gonna be blowin' up da Death Star?
Ewok: Yub nub!

And so, the Rebellion was crushed in one swift move, due to the fact that the Ewoks tried to launch their starships into space with slingshots and kept crashing back into Yavin IV, while the Gungans, being stupid in their nature kept running into each other, dooming what little chance they had of stopping the empire.

Frendon: I agree with you on the loudness idea. Not that it's loud as in this sound sample isn't done being mixed, but i get where you're coming from. When I said that that John Williams would put in a bit of the battle of heroes music, I meant what you are saying. It wouldn't be an exact copy of the music, but enough to tug at our minds saying "This is it for one of them, and you should remember the last fight they were in". Problem is like Adywan has expressed, thats really the only bit of music that works, and personnally I would prefer it in the movie than not.
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Adywan,

Thought I'd add a few additonal thoughts on your latest clip.

I think the music for the duel works. I remember InfoDroid's version with this music, and I liked it back then too. For what it's worth, I vote you stick with it. Since the duel's pacing is pretty slow, I really think some action music is needed for a little extra oomph. And this track is totally appropriate.

My favorite thing about the dogfight is how you convey the movement of all the ships. In the official version, it almost looks like they put the Falcon in Park during the fight.

I love the new shimmering explosions and the enhanced HUD displays for the guns!

I was wondering about the movement of the starry background as viewed through the gunports. Despite the awesome visual impact, the Falcon is obviously not traveling at such a high speed that it would cause the stars to move like that. Is the star movement a result of the ship rotating during the battle?

And finally, I now realize I will have to find the biggest TV I can to watch this on when it comes out!

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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To all the people complaining about how loud the music is. Adywan has stated that it is a **temporary** soundtrack!!!! Does it make any sense to complain or even comment about something that was just put there to fill a gap for now?

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Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
Re: Lightsaber fight music

Adywan, remember that sometimes the ABSENCE of music can be just as powerful. Not having music during the ObiWan/Vader fight makes the moment feel more real because it has not been "movied up." In all the Star Wars films, despite the long and powerful score, Lucas has always found moments to leave the music out, making it that much more effective.

Personally, I think taking a part of the movie that has no music and adding it is an example of "doing something because I can." Again, consider that the music is left out of that scene FOR A REASON.

Also, consider how powerful the musical score is that is about to follow; when Luke sees Ben die and screams, it's one of the best musical moments in the film. Again, the absence of music preceeding it "clears the pallete" if you will and makes the cue more emotional.

It's called music spotting. Knowing where the music comes in and goes out is as important as the music itself. Star Wars was a well spotted film. The movie is 121 minutes and there is about 84 minutes of music in it. Compare that with The Empire Strikes Back, which is 124 minutes long with about 118 minutes of music composed (much of the Empire score was dropped after it was written and recorded). Return of the Jedi had more music composed than the final films running time! The prequels, as much of a mess musically as they are, also continue the trend of having wall-to-wall music. It's just one other aspect of Star Wars that makes it stand out as it's own, superior film.

Star Wars and Empire are also the only two films in the series not to have music during the light saber fights. Williams composed a lot for the duel in Empire, but only a tiny bit is heard in the final film. It's never been clear who's choice it was to drop the music (Kershner? Lucas?) but the scenes do play better without it. After that, all of the sword fights in the films have been scored. It's an interesting dichotomy.

And as noted, "Ben's Death and TIE Fighter Attack" is one of the finest examples of film scoring. It comes in at just the right time, punctuating the death of Ben and Luke's (and the audiences) shock and then covers one of the most exciting sequences in the film. The proper use of music is one of the reasons this sequence (and the original film) was so successful.

For more on music spotting, check out the editorial in the new Film Score Monthly magazine which came out just today.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.