STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 306

I love this edit so much! I've put off for a very long time not to give any criticism so as not to insult Adywan, but I wish to give a few critques if it's alright?

The new planet that the Death Star orbits doesn't look real enough. 

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The hand that Obi-Wan cuts off, it looks to dead for just being cut off, it looks like rock.

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In this shot everytime I see R2 I see him red, my eye autimatically sees a red R2D2, not some other R2 unit.

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In the Divx copy, the Matte painting was better in this shot below, I didn't say a word all this time until now.

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This shot when the Tie Fighter blows up, the debris doesn't burn up it just disappears.

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Ok that's my  list, other than that the film looks flawless! Thank you Adywan for a wonderful edit.

One little thing I noticed, I think it's image 341 in the list of changes thread, where the Death Star is approaching and the underside of Yavin is in the top right of the frame, is that the Death Star's dark side does not match Yavin's. The underside of Yavin is lit, whereas the Death Star's is in shadow.

Hi! I just joined but I'm not new to these boards. I've been watching the progress of the revisited projects for quite some time now. I just wanted to give my 2 cents about the V2 of episode IV. I for one think that George Lucas was right when he said that movies are never finished. We can always improve them and star wars is a good example. If Ady thinks that there is something he could make better or add a few things to his edits than I'm a loyal supporter.

Also Ady, I would like to thank you for Star Wars Revisited.

1anakin said : The hand that Obi-Wan cuts off, it looks to dead for just being cut off, it looks like rock.

That's Ady's hand, I'm not sure if he adjusted the colour to look like a dead limb but like the original actor and myself he is British and we don't get much of an opportunity to tan over here (perhaps it should look a bit tanned because of the desert planet setting but the character is an alien so maybe his species just doesn't tan).

The planet is a real one, possibly the only real one in any Star Wars film (it's a HD NASA photograph of Earth). That in itself would be no excuse if it didn't look good, I don't have a problem with it but I'm open to look at different varieties.

I personally don't have a problem with the red R2 Unit, maybe a little bit more variety in the markings could make it look even more like a different droid but it's possible you have seen the film so many times that you expect to see R2D2 there.

The problem is that the red R2 unit is just riding next to C3PO and looks exactly like R2, just red. There isn't much else Adywan could have done; the only viable way of adjusting that scene would be to remove R2 altogether and then replace him at the front.

Bingowings is right, of course. We're all terribly pasty looking over here. The lack of UV makes us all pale and moody. By 2050 we'll be a nation of albinos.

There are similar R2 units in the other films,

maybe a more dramatic colour change would get around the problem. There was one R2 unit that was almost white on almost white (I can't remember where)

I just know I"m going to get yelled at for this. What I meant with the hand is that it looks like a still image of a hand pasted into the moving shot. the hand looks like a flat potgraph, which it is.

There's a moment where it looks like C3PO makes a little hand jesture to R2 before he turns left , but now he does it to the red R2.

Bingowings, the inescapable problem in that shot is that the R2 unit, whatever colour it's painted, just looks like R2 D2. It's riding alongside C-3PO and there are only four characters being focused on in the frame, Ben and Luke at the front and the two droids behind.

I just don't see how it is ever going to work while R2 is still in the fram there. It was shot that way for a reason, so to expect the shot to look like it's focusing on Ben, Luke, C-3PO and "some other R2 unit" is a bit unrealistic. I understand where Adywan's coming from, stickler for continuity that he is, but that shot doesn't work.

Oh, I know it's impossible to remove him, which is what I was saying before. It's an incredibly difficult continuity to fix. I'm on your side with it, I just think I would've left it, as it's not a major problem, and I don't think changing R2 to another droid works because of his position in the frame.

The actor that played Dr Evazen was English and not tanned so the hand shouldn't be a tanned hand either.

Well, the actor is English, but the character lives on Tatooine. Although, if his face isn't tanned, why would his hand be?

Adywan are you a Superman fan, because Superman II the Donner Cut needs alot of work.

I disagree Mr V, the red droid (formally known as R2D2) veers to the left and the new head is following the track of R2 in the next shot.

I really do think that the confusion is caused by over familiarity with the original (flawed) material.

I've tried this out on someone not that familiar with the original footage and they instantly identified the blue droid at the front as R2 and not noticed the red one until it was pointed out and the change explained.

The R2 unit colour variations like the one used here is more a PT thing which might add to the sensation of "something is wrong with picture".

There is a R2 unit right at the beginning of the Mos Eisley sequence that has a white dome with white panels and a green frame thing for the eye (please excuse the crudity of this mock-up) :

If a colour scheme like that were used it would make the droid look even less like R2 and push the impression even further away.

++UPDATE++

I posted the above before I saw the alternate view and which shows the original droid was never Artoo in the first place.

The green mockup definitely looks less like R2D2, but you're wrong about it not being R2 in the original shot. It is. And I'm sorry, but no matter how many times anyone tries to tweak that shot, the fact that it's Ben, Luke, C-3PO and R2-D2 is inescapable. It is clearly framed that way, unless you're trying to say that Gilbert Taylor framed three of them and some other random droid that just happens to look exactly like R2-D2?

And the alternate shot is not in the movie. There are simply two R2-D2s on set to shoot the turn.

RoccondilRinon said:

The Purist edition was released as a barebones DVD5: it restored the editing in Ben's hut and the pacing of the original TIE Fighter reveal, and removed the music from the lightsabre duel. I don't remember if it also removed the music at the Imperial conference table and extended edit of the Death Star reveal.

Thanks.

I really have no problem with the red R2. I haven't watched ANH that many times before seeing Revisited (maybe 3 times), and the new shot looks OK to me. Maybe since you guys have seen the original ANH a billion times, your memories interfere with believing the altered shot?

Maybe since you guys have seen the original ANH a billion times, your memories interfere with believing the altered shot?

I wouldn't say that. You don't need to have frame-by-frame recall of Star Wars to see that it's clearly R2-D2 and C-3PO. There's just no getting around it, because of the way the shot is framed, around those four characters. Even if you manage to make R2 look like a very different droid, you just look at the shot and ask why there's another droid where R2 should be next to C-3PO. All respect to Adywan's amazing work, it's just with that shot I don't see what the big deal was. By all means, try to fix anything you don't like, after all, isn't that why most of us are here? But if the change fails in other ways, has it really accomplished anything?

Oh, I know, I said that earlier, I was responding to some of the comments trying to persuade the idea that it wasn't. It clearly is two robots used for the turn, and it's not very well timed, so I understand why you wanted to change it. But my thoughts were that it's almost impossible to change because the framing just screams that it's R2-D2.

why not put a blur over the red droid to make it look out of focus?

I watched the GOUT the other day, and I had forgotten about that last shot of Tarkin with that shit-eating look on his face just before the DS goes boom. While it's debatable if the new shot of the ships flying off is an improvement, off all the cut shots, I think that was quite unfortunate to see Tarkin's final moment go.

Since it seems to be up for discussion again, I'm going to share some of my thoughts on SW:R.

As for the music. I think "Battle of the Heroes" is an excellent addition. It adds drama to the moment, and if you view it with the PT in mind, it carries on an emotional resonance from the last time these two fought.

I have mixed feeling about the insert of "The Imperial March." I like the sequence (great FX work!) but musically it does take away from the Death Star theme... not a theme really, but that three note "DAH-dah-DAAH!" that signifies the Death Star. That little leitmotif can't compete with the awesome grandeure of the March. It's a small trade, and if I was the man making decisions, I'd still keep Ady's new sequence, music and all.

On the other hand, I don't care for the Emperor theme in the briefing room. The Emperor isn't there. "Battle of the Heroes' plays when Obi and Darth do battle again. "Imperial March" plays when the Empire is shown to kick ass. Emperor's theme plays when... some dudes have a staff meeting. It just doesn't feel right to me.

And checking out DoubleOh5's visual companion, I am f-----g amazed at the new shots Adywan created durign the final battle. I had no idea how much he'd done... I just knew the whole thing rocked.

TheBoost said:

On the other hand, I don't care for the Emperor theme in the briefing room. The Emperor isn't there. "Battle of the Heroes' plays when Obi and Darth do battle again. "Imperial March" plays when the Empire is shown to kick ass. Emperor's theme plays when... some dudes have a staff meeting. It just doesn't feel right to me.

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I believe Adywan included the Emperor's theme (more specifically, "Palpatine's Teachings" from the ROTS soundtrack) in that scene because the Emperor and was mentioned.