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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 177

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Originally posted by: Covenant

Menu screen transition is a little slow.
As is going from menu to PLAY-ing the film.

While I'm here...
Cool to see the menus altered after my little post... Did you see the one about the small mistakes in the trivia track?


Yeh the menu transitions are a little slow. that's to do with the software used. Not a lot i can do about that plus there is a large gap between going from the menu to the movie because originally i had that transition going to the adywan logo instead of it being at the beginning and it played better that way. problem is i just noticed that i haven't changed the length back to what it should be. that will be altered for the DVD-9

and yes i did manage to change the "wounded" mistake in the trivia track, thanks. i left the other one as it is because that's the way i would would probably say it anyway ( i guess i could just have said that it was a creative decision)

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More on the HD Front.....

Have now tried two other types of media and they all lock up in the same spot. I even tried different burn speeds.....it almost has to be how the DVD is structured....these players do not really understand it.

In the first menu transition you have you hit the Next button to get it continue to the actual choices of Play the movie....it actually freezes right after it shows "Revisited"

At 2:13 it locks up....what is weird is that the time counter stops at 2:13 but the movie plays to about 2:17 before it freezes.

Same situation at exactly 5:30 and then freezes at like 5:37.....I can only get to this by skipping chapters though.

I lied last night.....it does the same thing on three of my HD-DVD players HD-A2, HD-A20, & HD-A30 Last night I had a false positive on the A2.

It plays fine on my other units though(360,PS3, sony Upconvert DVD)......it just looks much better on the A20 and A30 than any other but cannot watch.

Covenant, So what is the HD-EP30KB equivalent to.....A30? Do you have the latest firmware updates?....I do and was wondering if one of the updates is what is messing this up.

I guess it could be an NTSC thing as mine will not play the PAL at all

If anyone has any advice or extra knowledge please share as I would love to watch it upconverted to 1080p/24
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Originally posted by: hempler
More on the HD Front.....

If anyone has any advice or extra knowledge please share as I would love to watch it upconverted to 1080p/24


Hey hempler, You and me, we sit in the same boat...

Did you try Ady's suggestion of changing dvd player output to 60fps? I'm still at work (yes, working hard!) and would love to know if that helps at all...
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Did you try Ady's suggestion of changing dvd player output to 60fps? I'm still at work (yes, working hard!) and would love to know if that helps at all...


Yes I tried that...I actually took all of the way down to 480p at 60fps on all 3 players.......and still the same thing.

I think it is a lost cause......must be the software on the HD-DVD player Vs. the software on the DVD its self

Ady, What software are you using to emulate the menus of the retail DVDs? The retail menus and movies play fine and yours look just like the retail ones but obviously something is different as well as the movie structure.

Is it a variable bitrate or constant?

Sorry for all of the questions.....but it is bothering me why it is not working. Usually it plays fine or does not recognize it at all....this is in the middle....recognizes fine...plays somethings fine...but mostly locks up.
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Looks like the NTSC is up on mininova, and I'm downloading it now.

I can't wait to see the ESB trailer with the newer Emperor. It looks fantastic in the picture.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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In all honosty if the problem is ONLY with the HD-DVD players Adywan,I would not tamper with a thing,that equipment is now going to be absolete,so no use in trying to remedy that at the expense of all the players that will be around for years and years,I never bought into the hd dvd, I am with Bluray, so I cannot test that equipment myself,so if it were up to me,I would just keep doing what you are doing,those guys will have to get a new better player sooner or later,or go back to the old DVD player.
don't think there is anything you could do on the author part of it anyways.

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Originally posted by: hempler


Ady, What software are you using to emulate the menus of the retail DVDs? The retail menus and movies play fine and yours look just like the retail ones but obviously something is different.


I'm using Sony DVD Architect to build the DVD. I've used this software for over 4 years an i have never had a single report of it causing problems and i have done hundreds discs for people ( i used to run a Video to DVD service and i have done a few weddings with orders of a few hundred at a time and never a problem). The menus were all built from scratch and Everything was encoded using Procoder 3(including the PAL version). I also ran the NTSC disc through PGCEDIT and that reported no problem at all with anything, so the structure is sound. It just seems to me that its the NTSC Toshiba HD-DVD players that are the problem. If it was the structure there would have been other posts about the disc not playing (especially in the newsgroups because they jump all over bad posts)

after looking at some other threads it does seem that the problem lies with some Toshiba HD-DVD player not liking things encoded with Procoder, mainly after updating the firmware. For me Procoder has produced a much better quality picture than any of the other MPEG encoders available, even at such low bitrates, and plays well on everything else so far so i will continue to use Procoder for the DVD-9. And don't forget that HD-DVD is really a dead format now anyway

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Ady,

Another confirmation here that the NTSC version will not work on an HD-DVD player. I have the HD-XA2(the best player on the market) and it gets stuck at 2:13 just like hempler said.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Looks like the NTSC is up on mininova, and I'm downloading it now.

I can't wait to see the ESB trailer with the newer Emperor. It looks fantastic in the picture.

i have replaced the original trailer with the one from the DVD on the first page of my "Empire Strikes Back Revisited" thread if you can't wait

Originally posted by: BMadden
Ady,

Another confirmation here that the NTSC version will not work on an HD-DVD player. I have the HD-XA2(the best player on the market) and it gets stuck at 2:13 just like hempler said.


Hmm, again another Toshiba player

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Dark_jedi,

Just to be clear.....I never stated I wanted Ady to "Fix" anything.....I would just like to understand why it is not working by knowing what was used to make the DVD. I have both Blu and Red and love them both and I am able to watch the DVD just fine on other players.....but the HD-DVD players are the best upconvert players on the market and would be nice to watch this masterpiece on it Blu players right now are still POS except for the PS3 and would not recomend anyone buying a stand alone Blu player until this summer. The Toshiba HD-DVD players are top notch and even though HD-DVD is dead....the players are cheap, the movies are now cheap, and they upconvert better than anything else you can buy.

Ady, Love you man and thank you soo much for your work and this DVD is fantastic.....I am not ranting about the problems I am having so you can work on it.....I wanted:
1. to make sure I was not the only having the problem with these particular players and
2. wanted to find out from you the software you used to actaully create the DVD. ----Thanks for the reply above...I was writing this while you replied

thanks again for the hard work and if anyone has any suggestions about making this work on HD-DVD player please share and I will give it a try.
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Ady,
So you think Procoder 3 is better than CCE SP or CCE SP2?

and I couldn't agree with you more on the hd dvd players,thay are going bye,bye.
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@hempler I never said YOU wanted it corrected,Ady himself wants to make this right as can be for the eventual DVD9 release,and all I am saying is that I would not try to cater to the hd dvd player guys,only because this is now an absolete format and will NOT be going any further in development,so it would be a total waste of time.

and as far as hd dvd players being the best upconvert players in the market,I beg to differ there.
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
@hempler I never said YOU wanted it corrected,Ady himself wants to make this right as can be for the eventual DVD9 release,and all I am saying is that I would not try to cater to the hd dvd player guys,only because this is now an absolete format and will NOT be going any further in development,so it would be a total waste of time.

and as far as hd dvd players being the best upconvert players in the market,I beg to differ there.


I agree....I am just a nerdy techy guy and wanted to figure out why I could not watch it on my 3 HD-DVD players.....as I am a perfectionist when it comes to my viewing pleasures

on your differ though.....do you have an HD-DVD player? I have several different upconvert DVD players as well as a 360 and a PS3 and none of those compare to the upconvert chipset on the Toshiba players. Actually the XA2 is the best one but I do not have one of those.
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
and as far as hd dvd players being the best upconvert players in the market,I beg to differ there.


You might beg to differ, but you'd be wrong. As I said before, I have the XA2 and it has pretty much been universally praised as the best upconverting DVD player on the market. Read the reviews and you'll see this claim validated.

Edit: I see hempler already beat me to it.
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
Ady,
So you think Procoder 3 is better than CCE SP or CCE SP2?

and I couldn't agree with you more on the hd dvd players,thay are going bye,bye.


Hell of a lot better, and faster. Some people say (as i used to) that CCE is the best and gives a sharper picture. but upon closer inspection the sharpness is artificial as CCE brings in video noise that wasn't on the original file. PLus when i was originally rendering Revisited a few sections produced some strange problems. In the briefing scene the new Death Star schematic flickered terribly when played on the TV. I checked the encode and CCE actually produced colour banding ghosting around the red lines. Procoder doesn't do this. It also happened on both the original Trench schematics that were recoloured red and the credits flickered horribly ( again the ghosting). All problems eliminated with using Procoder.

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Even if HD-DVD is a "dead format" now, people are still going to have their X-Box 360's for the foreseeable future (PS3 is doing poorly as a gaming platform in comparison anyway).

Does anyone on this forum have a combo player? I wonder how those would work with this.


In any case, you could hope that a future firmware update of your player would address the issue, but whatever.


I'm for as many people being able to enjoy Ady's work as possible, and if there's something he can do to fix it, all the better, so keep the feedback rolling in! It looks like another 21-23 hours before I'll get to burn this sucka, so I'll be watching it tomorrow night, if all goes well!

We need more seeders!
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I have read lots of good things about Procoder....never used it though. I have only used CCE and those crappy ULead products. Wonderful DVD Ady.....have already made lots-o-copies for friends and they are probably watching with joy tonight!

have a good night all

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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
Ady,
So you think Procoder 3 is better than CCE SP or CCE SP2?

and I couldn't agree with you more on the hd dvd players,thay are going bye,bye.


Hell of a lot better, and faster. Some people say (as i used to) that CCE is the best and gives a sharper picture. but upon closer inspection the sharpness is artificial as CCE brings in video noise that wasn't on the original file. PLus when i was originally rendering Revisited a few sections produced some strange problems. In the briefing scene the new Death Star schematic flickered terribly when played on the TV. I checked the encode and CCE actually produced colour banding ghosting around the red lines. Procoder doesn't do this. It also happened on both the original Trench schematics that were recoloured red and the credits flickered horribly ( again the ghosting). All problems eliminated with using Procoder.


Hi Ady,
could you PM me some Procoder 3 settings,I would really like to try this,I have it and messed with it a little but I am more comfortable with CCE at the moment,but I am open to try new things for sure.
also can you feed an avisynth script into Procoder 3,I thought I read somewhere you couldn't,or maybe it was an earlier version.
thanks

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Watched the NTSC version on my 52" Plasma.

Downloaded from Rapidshare. Burned with DVD Decoder.

Played on my Samsung P1400 BlueRay player.

No problems.

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Originally posted by: BMadden
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
and as far as hd dvd players being the best upconvert players in the market,I beg to differ there.


You might beg to differ, but you'd be wrong. As I said before, I have the XA2 and it has pretty much been universally praised as the best upconverting DVD player on the market. Read the reviews and you'll see this claim validated.

Edit: I see hempler already beat me to it.


whatever,I am not going to argue this with you,and reviews are biased to whoever is paying them,come on dude.
but how is that hd dvd player upconverting Ady's Star Wars DVD for you,I bet not as good as an OPPO or a PS3 LOL

validated that is a funny one,coming from a player that will NO longer be supported in ANY way LOL.



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Originally posted by: BMadden
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
and as far as hd dvd players being the best upconvert players in the market,I beg to differ there.

You might beg to differ, but you'd be wrong. As I said before, I have the XA2 and it has pretty much been universally praised as the best upconverting DVD player on the market. Read the reviews and you'll see this claim validated.

Edit: I see hempler already beat me to it.


Well i know someone who has the Uk version of the XA2 (the HD-XE1 whcih is the exact same machine but with PAL & NTSC playback)and the upconverting is pretty poor compared to the UK PS3. We tested this a few months ago when her purchased it by plugging both into my HDMI switch box and switching between signals while watching the same DVD). I guess its seems to differ between regions then if you say its better than the ps3 and you have the NTSC version ( and don't forget that the PAL PS3 differs greatly from that of the NTSC version). I'm going to call him tomorrow to see if he can check both versions on his player . I'll report back when its been tested

Originally posted by: Kurgan
Even if HD-DVD is a "dead format" now, people are still going to have their X-Box 360's for the foreseeable future (PS3 is doing poorly as a gaming platform in comparison anyway).

Does anyone on this forum have a combo player? I wonder how those would work with this.


Well it has been reported that it works on the Xbox360 HD-DVD player both here ( the PAL version) and the NTSC version from someone i know in the USA so its looking more like the problem is lying with the Toshiba players

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Well it has been reported that it works on the Xbox360 HD-DVD player both here ( the PAL version) and the NTSC version from someone i know in the USA so its looking more like the problem is lying with the Toshiba players


That is correct.....I have tested with NTSC 360, PS3, Sony Upconvert, Toshiba Upconvert, & my 3 Toshiba HD-DVD players.

Problem only exists on the 3 HD-DVD players.
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
whatever,I am not going to argue this with you,and reviews are biased to whoever is paying them,come on dude.
but how is that hd dvd player upconverting Ady's Star Wars DVD for you,I bet not as good as an OPPO or a PS3 LOL

validated that is a funny one,coming from a player that will NO longer be supported in ANY way LOL.


Of course you're not going to argue it with me because you know you're wrong. The reviews from owners at AVS and Home Theater Forum aren't paid for by the way, they're from people like myself who actually own the player and have compared it to everything else on the market. Also, I have an Oppo player as well so I was able to watch the edit just fine last night. I'd prefer to watch in on the XA2, though, because it's the best upconverting player on the market. Period.

Back to your regular programming.
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Originally posted by: BMadden
Originally posted by: dark_jedi
whatever,I am not going to argue this with you,and reviews are biased to whoever is paying them,come on dude.
but how is that hd dvd player upconverting Ady's Star Wars DVD for you,I bet not as good as an OPPO or a PS3 LOL

validated that is a funny one,coming from a player that will NO longer be supported in ANY way LOL.


Of course you're not going to argue it with me because you know you're wrong. The reviews from owners at AVS and Home Theater Forum aren't paid for by the way, they're from people like myself who actually own the player and have compared it to everything else on the market. Also, I have an Oppo player as well so I was able to watch the edit just fine last night. I'd prefer to watch in on the XA2, though, because it's the best upconverting player on the market. Period.

Back to your regular programming.


you have compared to everything else on the market huh?
you are one rich SOB to have all players LOL
so enjoy that hd dvd player for years to come.

and stop calling me out dude,you believe what you want, and I will believe what I want,now let's get this back to Adywans GREAT DVD!



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Originally posted by: hempler
Well it has been reported that it works on the Xbox360 HD-DVD player both here ( the PAL version) and the NTSC version from someone i know in the USA so its looking more like the problem is lying with the Toshiba players


That is correct.....I have tested with NTSC 360, PS3, Sony Upconvert, Toshiba Upconvert, & my 3 Toshiba HD-DVD players.

Problem only exists on the 3 HD-DVD players.



So I guess consensus is, Toshiba blows...

That really sucks. I was hoping to show off for to my friends. Oh well. I guess I'll figure something out.