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adywan, depending on what you're using, when I was creating the avi's from the m2v files of the dvd for each shot of the film, i ran a filter called whitebalance which you use in virtualdub and set it to 235, 235, 235 for colour values. it does a good baseline job of getting a natural white which you can then use as a baseline reference to correct in vegas etc.

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Originally posted by: tellan
adywan, depending on what you're using, when I was creating the avi's from the m2v files of the dvd for each shot of the film, i ran a filter called whitebalance which you use in virtualdub and set it to 235, 235, 235 for colour values. it does a good baseline job of getting a natural white which you can then use as a baseline reference to correct in vegas etc.


Thanks Tellan. I used the white balance filter in Virtualdub as a starter. i love that filter and use it all the time. I've managed to get a nice colour balance for the most part of the film so far. But some shots are just way messed up. For example if you look towards the end of the garage scene, just after luke see's the hologram, have a look at the doorway in the background. What once was white now has a strange almost turqoise glow to it in some shots, but not in others. The only way to get rid of this would be to create a matte and colour correct that section independant to the rest. I think the real reason behing the blue cast to the movies is because it does help mask some of these really bad imperfections.

I'm still really torn what to do with the whole Jabba scene. I just hat the part where han steps over his tail. I've been racking my brains what to do to make this scene work and even at one point considered turning Jabba into a hologram and using the original puppet from jedi and han can walk around him once again, but i'm really at a loss weather to keep this scene in or not.

I'm not sure if i mentioned it before but everyone that has posted in this thread will be having their names included in the end credits. I can't thanks everyone enough for all your input.

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Hello adywan, I'm new to this board but I just wanted to say I think you're doing an amzing job. I admire your talent and I look forward to seeing the finished product. Put me down for a NTSC copy please. It's hard to believe that one dedicated sharp eyed individual has done more to correct most of the audio/visual flaws in the film than Lucas' entire special effects team put together. Why aren't there more like you working for Lucasfilm or ILM?

I have a few suggestions if you don't mind me throwing in my two cents. I didn't read every post so you may have already addressed some these.

1. Go ahead and drop the whole Jabba scene. Personally, I never liked it. I doesn't work for the film and it wasn't necessary to the story. It also diminishes Jabba's pressence in ROTJ.

2. I'd drop the Luke and Biggs scene in the hanger as well. It's another unnecessary change that adds nothing to the story.

3. Could you eliminate the blood around Walrus-Man's arm after Kenobi cut it off? Maybe add some burns around the shoulder as well. It makes more sense that lightsaber wounds would be cauterized.

4. Could you perhaps change Kenobi's Krayt Dragon call back to the original sound or even use a new sound altogether? The current whistle doesn't work for me. I don't buy that a giant lizard the size of a dinasuar would whistle. I wouldn't be afraid of that whistle sound.

5. Lucas censored the shootout in the detention block with the officers. Could you restore the original footage?

6. Would it be possible to 'fix' the Dewbacks and the Sandtroopers riding on them in the desert? They don't move very naturally. It currently looks kinda phony and cartoony.

7. Where do you stand on the rings of fire around the explosions of Alderaan and the Death Star? I don't care for these myself. It looks to me like an imitation from Star Trek 6.

8. The Death Star plans that are downloaded from R2-D2 look dated and cheesy. Any chance you could update them to look more modern?

These are just my opinions of course and you don't have to listen to me. I, like almost everyone else here, just want the OT to be as perfect as it possibly can be.

There are a couple changes that you've made that I'm unsure of.

Are you certain the Rebel Base computer tracking the Death Star needed to be corrected? I don't think anything was wrong with either the way the Death Star was tracking the Yavin moon or the way the Rebel Base was tracking the Death Star. If you look closely, they both show the Death Star orbiting counter clockwise around Yavin. For the Imperials the Death Star is tracking the Rebel moon BEHIND the planet. For the Rebels the Death Star is the little red circle, the big blue circle is their moon. There is no contradiction, they both show the same perspective.

Also, are you sure it's necessary to have a Super Star Destroyer present at the battle of Yavin? First, I always assumed Vader had a customized TIE fighter with hyperdrive so seeing him fly off into space alone never bothered me. Second, I always thought Super Star Destroyers were built in the timefram between ANH and ESB, none existed before then. Third, when the Death Star was destroyed a Star Destroyer could just launch wave after wave of TIE fighters and TIE bombers to wipeout the Rebel Base. The Rebels lost alot of ships and men, there's no way they would be able to put up a defense. I apologize if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I just don't think either of these changes were needed.

Keep up the good work, adywan. I wish I was as gifted as you and had a sophisticated enough computer to attempt what you're doing. Peace.
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Originally posted by: Gorilla
2. I'd drop the Luke and Biggs scene in the hanger as well. It's another unnecessary change that adds nothing to the story.

I totally agree with this. With the scenes earlier in the film cut out, the scene makes no sense and helps to paint Luke as uncaring when his best friend in the known universe gets exploded and he barely reacts.

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I have to say this project looks amazing Adywan and I am amazed by the effort you are putting into it and look forward to its completion. Its your "vision" of ANH of course but I was wondering will you be chopping the Jawas falling from the Ronto scene as the Darth Editous and ADM versions look so much the better IMO with that cut from the film and Gorilla has brought up some interesting point the Jabba scene has never really worried me the Boba looking around has abit and it spoils the scene slightly IMO so if he could be somehow erased it that would improve the Jabba scene, but what would be cool would be if the chest explosions on the officers in the cellblock could be restored if possible. Keep out the good work and look forward to seeing this
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I agree that the Jabba scene doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but seeing Boba Fett stare ominously at the audience was the one thing I really enjoyed about it. Borrowing from Arnold here, it was like he was saying "I'll be back." with that look. It takes him one second to turn and look at the camera, another second to do his look, and finally one more second to turn back around as the wipe comes across the screen. We're only talking about three seconds worth of screen time; I don't think it lasts long enough to spoil anything, no offense intended to you Mr. Bungle.

I also know a lot of people disliked the Jawa/Ronto scene. I actually liked that small scene. It wasn't a pie-in-the-face, poo poo, Jar Jar schtck joke. It was just a short scene with a funny moment in it. You know that everyone here has scene that speeder bike driver at least once in their lives . If it were Storm Troopers on that Ronto, that would be something else, but it's Jawas. Their always funny. I hope you keep this scene because, although I haveliked many of the edits out there of A New Hope, some of the new scenes that I liked have been taken out and I wish they would have been included. I know you can't please everyone, but this one thing I hope does make the final cut.
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None taken, the Boba Fett is something I can live with, I just thought the scene might be better if Adywan can get rid of him if he decides to keep the Jabba scene as for the swinging Jawas its up to Adywan, whatever he wants I just thought what ADM and Darth Editous did made the Mos Eisley scenes better...
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A thought I had about the Jabba scene:

If you wanted to keep it, I kinda like the idea of replacing Jabba with a hologram of the puppet version. In any of the movies, does anybody ever walk through a hologram? If not, then perhaps it's perceived as being disrespectful to do so...so perhaps if you could come up with a scene where puppet-Jabba gets sort of upset or jumps, you could use that as a hologram, with Han walking through him (at the point where he steps on the CGI Jabba's tail), and hologram Jabba gets kinda testy. It would work as a good example of Han's sort of hardass, "fuck you" nature, while at the same time showing him as not being SO stupid as to step on the real Jabba's tail.

Just a thought.
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You'd need a shot of Han walking around out jabba in the shot i guess - holograms are transparent.
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Well, here's another thought:
The only way I could see you cutting out the tail thing would be to have some sort of cut-a-way, right? maybe chewie?
Oooorrr....Maybe show Jabba in his ROTJ palace talking to Han? You could cut between the two...maybe?
If anything, I think you should replace the CGI Jabba voice with ROTJ Jabba's voice.
The CGI voice is way off. The voice bugs me more than the CGI.

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I agree with SSWR, the voice has always been the worst part.

Why were all the old voices (Jabba, Stormtroopers, Boba Fett) all so cool, and the new voices are weak sounding and suck so bad?

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The new voices just sound so 'computer gamey', which I guess fits in with the prequals in general which seems to be Lucas's intent these days.

Have to say I think the Jabba scene is better out of the film completely - I really do think it's a case of less is more, and Greedo more or less tells us everything we need to know at any rate. The pacing and music editing of the original works better here as well I think. This scene just slows everything down. The thing about 70s film editing was it was often 'lean and mean' - adding (anything substantially) to it just seems to make the thing seem bloated and increasingly disjointed (witness the vader landing pad scene in the Empire SE).

Have to say I'm just blown away by what I've seen of this 'fan edit' so far. This is one release I can't wait for - so much love has gone into it.. unlike a recent official release ;-) My video projector and bedroom wall is just crying out for this version (and a few beers of course!!)!!

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Don't pour beer into your projector. Remember the Neverending Soda episode?

Adywan, just a little thinking out of the box here, but have you have thought about condensing the Jabba scene to remove the Greedo references so the Jabba scene might be before the cantina scene? Maybe this is too radical an edit. Nevermind.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Don't pour beer into your projector. Remember the Neverending Soda episode?

Adywan, just a little thinking out of the box here, but have you have thought about condensing the Jabba scene to remove the Greedo references so the Jabba scene might be before the cantina scene? Maybe this is too radical an edit. Nevermind.


This could work, but from a film point of view this would be our first introduction of Han Solo so it might be a little odd to have a scene just with 'new' characters that have not been introduced by established characters.
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Hey, Adywan, for some inspiration on the colour correction, have a peek (if you haven't yet) at the thread about automatically using the GOUT to do colour correction. There's a fantastic plugin for AviSynth called ColorLike which will match histograms between two video sources, and has been shown to work very very well between the LD footage and the 2004 SEs.
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Originally posted by: INv8r_ZIM
Hey, Adywan, for some inspiration on the colour correction, have a peek (if you haven't yet) at the thread about automatically using the GOUT to do colour correction. There's a fantastic plugin for AviSynth called ColorLike which will match histograms between two video sources, and has been shown to work very very well between the LD footage and the 2004 SEs.

Yeh, i've been following that thread closely. unfortunately i wouldn't know where to start with Avisynth so i'm stuck with doing it all manually.
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Adywan, just a little thinking out of the box here, but have you have thought about condensing the Jabba scene to remove the Greedo references so the Jabba scene might be before the cantina scene? Maybe this is too radical an edit. Nevermind.
Well i've decided to scrap the Jabba scene completely. It's really not needed as the scene with Greedo has already some of the conversation between Han & Jabba. It's going to be relagated to the deleted scenes section.

I'm also removing the Bike & ronto scene. I was going to swap the ronto with something else to make it less slapstick but then noticed the background plate. This scene takes part right outside the cantina. So, as we are supposed to be following the route of lukes speeder and you see it pass infront of the camera at the opening of this shot, then this scene looks like they have driven straight past it and causes another continuity issue. The sequence is much better without it.
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Originally posted by: Gorilla
2. I'd drop the Luke and Biggs scene in the hanger as well. It's another unnecessary change that adds nothing to the story.

I totally agree with this. With the scenes earlier in the film cut out, the scene makes no sense and helps to paint Luke as uncaring when his best friend in the known universe gets exploded and he barely reacts.

I'm keeping that scene because when Biggs is killed Luke now reacts (thanks to the radio dramas).
Originally posted by: Gorilla


There are a couple changes that you've made that I'm unsure of.

Are you certain the Rebel Base computer tracking the Death Star needed to be corrected? I don't think anything was wrong with either the way the Death Star was tracking the Yavin moon or the way the Rebel Base was tracking the Death Star. If you look closely, they both show the Death Star orbiting counter clockwise around Yavin. For the Imperials the Death Star is tracking the Rebel moon BEHIND the planet. For the Rebels the Death Star is the little red circle, the big blue circle is their moon. There is no contradiction, they both show the same perspective.


This has me confused because i've never said anything about correcting the way they are tracking. I'm just cleaning up and enhancing the effects for the displays, and nothing else.

Also, are you sure it's necessary to have a Super Star Destroyer present at the battle of Yavin? First, I always assumed Vader had a customized TIE fighter with hyperdrive so seeing him fly off into space alone never bothered me. Second, I always thought Super Star Destroyers were built in the timefram between ANH and ESB, none existed before then. Third, when the Death Star was destroyed a Star Destroyer could just launch wave after wave of TIE fighters and TIE bombers to wipeout the Rebel Base. The Rebels lost alot of ships and men, there's no way they would be able to put up a defense. I apologize if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I just don't think either of these changes were needed.


The Super Stardestroyer has only been seen in the sample trailer and out of context with how it will appear in the final movie. It actually isn't anywhere near Yavin. It may not appear in the final version if the sequence i'm adding doesn't go according to plan (**cough**Emperor**cough**. lol)

I'll post some more screenshots later (or maybe tomorrow) of a couple of the tweaks i've just finished.

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The Super Star Destroyer kicks ass!!! And is one of the elements that make this edit unique. Just keep on keepin' on with that one, Adywan. After all, we've had 30 years to watch it without one.

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Well i've decided to scrap the Jabba scene completely. It's really not needed as the scene with Greedo has already some of the conversation between Han & Jabba. It's going to be relagated to the deleted scenes section.
I agree, the Jabba scene only works as a curiosity in my opinon. Although your idea of a Jabba hologram from RotJ souded interesting; any chance we could see any tests you made of that just for kicks?

I'm keeping that scene because when Biggs is killed Luke now reacts (thanks to the radio dramas).

Great! The Radio Dramas are an unatapped resource in most fan edits (but then again there haven't been that many fan edits of the OT...yet). Are you planning on using their dialogue significantly anywhere else in the film? One thing you might want to consider is extending the Luke/3PO landspeeder ride so Luke can explain some of the backstory between Ben and Owen to 3PO. Seeing as how the prequels gave no indication to this dynamic, this would help explain what Obi-Wan was up to over the past 20 years and that yes, he did check in on Luke a few times.


The Super Stardestroyer has only been seen in the sample trailer and out of context with how it will appear in the final movie. It actually isn't anywhere near Yavin. It may not appear in the final version if the sequence i'm adding doesn't go according to plan (**cough**Emperor**cough**. lol)

Out of everything in this edit, this is probably what I'm looking forward to the most. I hope you can pull it off!
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Yeah, scrap the Jabba scene...it'll be fine in the deleted scenes...honestly if DVDs had been around longer, I bet Lucas would've done this instead.

Bike & ronto scene is fine out too...I'll agree on that one.

I'm keeping that scene because when Biggs is killed Luke now reacts (thanks to the radio dramas).
Cool! I've never heard the radio dramas before...sounds like fun!

Are you planning on using their dialogue significantly anywhere else in the film?

OK, I'm thinking waaay far ahead to ROTJ...any lines exchanged between Han forgiving Lando...or Lando asking forgiveness or something like that? Because you *could* have a little exchange with them over the intercom (while Luke is listening in his xwing)...wild thought...any comments?

Bring on the Super Star Destroyer!-...and the rest of the scene!

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OK, I'm thinking waaay far ahead to ROTJ...any lines exchanged between Han forgiving Lando...or Lando asking forgiveness or something like that? Because you *could* have a little exchange with them over the intercom (while Luke is listening in his xwing)...wild thought...any comments?

Well for starters although Billy Dee Williams did play Lando in the ESB Radio Drama, he didn't in the RotJ one. And Han Solo is played by Perry King, not Harrison Ford, in the Radio Drama trilogy. So this kind of cut-and-paste is out of the question. But just FYI, the RD does have a scene between Han and Lando just after the escape from Tatooine which addresses this. It's a good scene and one of the many reasons I think the RotJ RD is better than the actual film (story wise, at least).

The best bet for a "reconcilation" scene between the two in the actual film would be the deleted sandstorm sequence. If Lucas decides to finally make it available as part of the 2007 release (as OT deleted scenes have been rumored/promised on that release), then we might have something to work with.
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George's "only hope" of getting any of my money is a release with deleted scenes.
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Glad to see the Jabba seen is gone along with the Rontos, I think it's the right call. I'm interested to see what the SW RD can add to make the Luke & Biggs scene better. Sorry about questioning the Empire's and the Rebel's targeting computers. I misunderstood the "correction" you were making, Adywan. Keep plugging away. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.