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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 148

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Now that I've seen the finished product, I'd like to contribute to the discussion but what left is there to say, really?

The highlights of the edit (for me) were the new Death Star intro and following meeting (great music additions!), the Cantina, the escape from Tatooine, the duel, the gunport sequence, the hyperspaced Falcon cockpit, and basically the from the Death Star schematic briefing until the end of the movie! The "money shot" of the edit, IMO, was the arrival of the TIE fighters at the Battle of Yavin. So awesome...

And since it's turned into such a major discussion point, I might as well put my two cents in on the severed arm. I'd go with Dr. Ezevan's for all the reasons discussed above, plus it's a great way to make a cameo!

There were however two changes I was hoping to see that weren't there:
1) "I wanted you to have this..." I know you'd planned on making this change, Adywan, but I think I read you couldn't get it as good as you may have liked. I think the majority of us here really would like to see this alteration if you could maybe give it one last try.
2) The Emperor. I expected a hologram of Palpatine to show up at some point, especially after seeing your test shot of Vader flying off to his Star Destroyer in one of your previews. Again, I know this was something you were going to try to do, but if it didn't work out it didn't work out.
As you're well aware, this is YOUR edit, you're not obligated to do anything just because "the majority" asks for it and we're privleged to that you take our suggestions into consideration as much as you do. I brought up these particular ones because they'd been mentioned before as possibilities and was wondering the reasons why they were abandoned.

I'm looking forward to your ESB edit (after a long, well deserved break of course), but what I'm most excited to see is how you tackle the prequels. If you can make ANH a better film I can't wait to see what you do with them.

PS. Thanks for the credit at the end too! It'd been so long since I'd posted here I wasn't sure if I'd made the list. Thanks for not forgetting me!
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Mojo_LA put that same shit on fanedit.org. It must suck to be him to have a guy in his home do better work than him and his buddies. You know how that kind are.......they can't produce anything but can tear apart every single movie that comes out and state how terrible it is and how it should have been. I work in the Entertainment business as well and most movie studio reps and their friends I think never like a single movie based how they criticize every little aspect. You have made a wonderful version of the film and the funny thing to me is I usually like what the critics hate and vise-vera. So it is quite ironic that the best things I like about the edit are things they "Hated". Especially the music changes in the Vader/Obi fight as well as the Briefing room music. I felt it gave it more meaning and tied to the other trilogy better. In a weird sort of way it made the Death of Obi bring a slight tear to the eye because of the events in EPIII.

This is the Version of EPIV made by a Fan for Fans.....and it works great. F*^@k Hollywood.......they have put out nothing but shit over the last few years any way....what the F*^@k do they know!
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I and my wife loved the music in the duel scenes.

I have shown the movie to four Star Wars fan friends of mine and they absolutely LOVE it too. They couldn't believe that fans put this edition together by not just editing video clips, but by doing that and creating sound tracks and creating 3D meshes...but most of all for doing it out of love for the story and the love of showing it to other fans.

Every person that I showed it to said that Ady should get a job in Hollywood, but now that we see how those types operate...

Ady, I have never met you, but one day perhaps we will at some convention down the road...When I do, I will shake your hand that say thank you for completing this project. It is the coolest thing.

I watch either the whole movie or pieces of it every single evening before bed. It does make me feel like a 'kid' again...and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Adywan, I watched your edit with much excitement the other day. Really enjoyed it, it's amazing what you've accomplished. Really inspiring as well.

Thought I'd mention a few of my favourite bits that I don't think have really been mentioned. First of all the attack on the Tantive by the Stormtroopers, I don't know if you did any reediting of this, or if it was just the improved blaster shots/colours/sound effects/music but that sequence seemed a lot more intense than I remembered it. Also, the Death Star attack I thought was really well done. Other people have mentioned about the new Tie introduction and I thought that looked really professional. Something that hasn't been mentioned though, was how clear the battle is now. What I mean is that in the original 77 version I normally watch, it's not always clear whose ships are whose and exactly what is going on - what the connection is between the cockpit shots and the model shots. I thought the added FX shots cleared that up for me, so that I could really follow the battle. The hologram of the battle Leia and C-3PO are watching was amazing as well. In my mind, that's always how I'd thought those shots could be improved.

All in all an incredibly impressive peice of work. It really makes me want to sit down and do my own, maybe when I've got a bit more time I will.

Also, I REALLY want to hear Luke say that Snakes on a Plane line.

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I almost afraid Ady will get a big push off of this edit, and be hired to really high paying job and not even have time to finish the series of re-edits. As selfish as it is on my part to think so.
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Originally posted by: adywan
I really think that i'm going to keep my ESB Revisited as a private project because you are really gonna hate some of the changes in that. When you see all the Gungans hiding out in Dagobah, the scene with Darth vaders personal masseur, Luke's new line on Dagobah - " get these mutha fuckin snakes of my mutha fuckin X-Wing", Tha Wampa musical number and Lando's new afro you are gonna flip.


Ady, don't forget the can of Colt 45 in Lando's hand in every shot. *LOL*

"What's the matter Colonel Sanders, chicken?" - Darth Helmet

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Just finished watching the xvid version via my XBox 360. I must say that this is one of the most impressive fan edits I have ever seen. The amount of work that went into this really shows time and time again. I lost track of how many times in fact my jaw dropped to the floor with all the changes both big and small I noticed. If anything this is what the real SE edition should and COULD of been. Amazing what one man can do compared to George Lucas and his army of thousands (along with his bigger wallet). Stuff from the better starfield to seeing the Millennium Falcon actually "do a few manuvers" after Han brags about this really is just an amazing job all and all.

There are two things that to me kinda stick out like a sore thumb on this edit tho:

A) The rearranging of the stuff during Luke and Obi-Wan's discussion at Obi-Wan's home seemed awkward. Having Luke and Obi-Wan talk about the Clone Wars after watching Leia's video didn't feel like it had a good flow to me compared to before. I will admit that I haven't read every post in this thread so perhaps there is a good reason behind this change that I'm not aware of but my first thought right away on this rearrangement while watching is that it didn't come across as well as it did before.

B) I will admit that the musical score added during the Obi-Wan/Darth Vader lightsaber battle is amazing. That really enhanced and made that scene even better than it was before (which is already powerful on its own). However the volume level of the score in the mix is very low compared to the level where the rest of the score is at. Its even more apparent when the original score kicks in right after Luke screams "NO" when Vader kills Obi-Wan.

Like I said this is an amazing fanedit. This certainly is one of the best fanedits ever done hopefully alongside the Superman: Son Of Jor-El one. The two things that I menton are very minor compared to everything else. Overall this edit gets an 9.95/10.
Brian The Demolition Man Little
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Was there actually a shot done of vader flying to a star destroyer in the end? I have seen pics of it and would love to see any footage if anyone has any. I was honestly hoping it would make the cut.Oh well I still thought the movie kicked ass. Ady you are amazing. Please do not listen to anyones complaints. Who gives a crap about the stupid flipper. I thought it was good and it is only on the screen for 2 secs.

Cannot wait to see new ESB sabers!!!
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Ady,

Screw Mojo_LA and his "Hollywood" friends. He can talk all he wants, but I guarantee none of them could put together an edit half as impressive as what you've done. Just ignore his and all the other haters' B.S. and keep up the awesome work you've been doing. 99% of us appreciate your work and who cares about that other 1% anyway.
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@ mojo_la

i'm sure if ady had unlimited resources there are things he would've improved on above and beyond what he has achieved. he has stated there are shots he wanted that just could not be pulled off with the existing material.

It seems to me that to update a 30 year old movie like this with consumer level technology, and pull it off so spectacularly, requires a great deal more raw talent than working on brand new tv where all the tools and libraries of material have been created with making your job easier in mind.

when ady got stuck on a shot, i suspect he had to do a mountain of research on how to achieve what he wanted, rather than lean across his desk to ask his boss how to do it. If you're a big enough star wars fan to frequent these boards, and it's soooooooo easy to do, where the hell is your edit.

going on to other boards and badmouthing ady and his edit is low. to quote dave lister "you've got a longer yellow streak than a stampede of diarhettic cammels"

go back to the (render) farm man. you go against the very spirit of fan editing.
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@Mojo - yeah, all of that was unnecessary and out of order. How you can accuse Ady of 'kid with new toy' I really dont know. One of my fave things about his work is how subtle most of it is. I dont know whether you are jealous of his work or what, but please, it would be nice if you could give it a rest now - like has been said, if you are THAt bothered, just go frickin do it yourself!

I tried to find a picture of a kitten, but unfortunately all my PC seems to contain is pics of Kylie in her underwear - sorry guys!
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Who's Kylie?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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^lol! You must either be joking or from America!


www.kylie.com
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Who's Kylie?
An actor who was in Blue Velvet, Dune, The Hidden and Twin Peaks.

LightWave = fun times with gfx for me 😃

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First off I have a comment to Mojo:

I was originally going to say something when he gave his list with his "Hollywood" buddies but I decided not to because I didn't want to come off as starting something but after continuing comments, enough is enough.

You said some posts back that you liked the edit for the most part I believe and were looking forward to watching it with buddies, you go from that to name-dropping (with out the names) and give a list of likes and dislikes, or more abrasively "what they loved" and "what they hated". Now take no offence, but I don't care who these people are. Whoever they are, as far as opinions go in regards to this film, they are no different from the rest of us, unless you had over Rick McCallum, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, maybe throw in Francis Coppola for a second opinion. I myself work in the industry, but I think that's moot because I don't think it lends anything to this discussion. So unlike some, I leave what I do at the door and I don't presume anyone cares.

Now again Mojo take no offence, your opinions are valid and perhaps you only have the best of intentions. But ultimately an opinion is all it is at the end of the day. You're going about this in a way that's not politic, a very necessary part of this professional world. And also in a way that you're trying to push the direction to a degree well beyond constructive criticism. That energy would be well spent perhaps doing your own preferred edit. If you are as good as you say you are I for one would love to see what you come up with.

Sorry for the rant everyone.

Lastly to Adywan:

Just keep on keepin on brother.

Blade Runner: The Complete Collection

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Nicely put focuspuller. As important as it is that people be able to post their thoughts here, positive or otherwise, the comments should not degrade into any sort of attack on the creator. I agree with what Adywan said, that since he's offered a reason behind all of his changes, it's very unfair for someone to resort to saying "he changed this and that simply because he could" solely because that person happens to disagree with an editing decision. It's fine to disagree with a change, but don't start implying a mistake was made because it doesn't suit personal preferences. As others have said, if someone is still really bothered by something in Adywan's edit, they really should go ahead and make their own; perhaps it will not only please them, but other fans who share their tastes.

And, as for Mojo_LA being a professional in the field...
Originally posted by: OBtwosy
not all that comes out of Hollywood is "good" simply because it comes out of Hollywood.

I'd go so far as to say most of what comes out of Hollywood isn't good. As focuspuller also stated, Mojo_LA's opinions are as valid as anyone's here, but not more so simply because he does FX work professionally. That would be akin to me saying a book I read was terrible, and if someone else happens to like it, then they're wrong and I know better simply because I'm a high school English teacher and hold a university English degree. Who the hell am I to tell someone what makes for good or bad literature? At the end of the day, it's just my opinion and is neither right nor wrong.

@ Adywan
One little change I meant to comment on earlier but forgot -- I liked the replacement of the blaster sound effects on the Falcon when the stormtroopers are ambushed by our heros on board the Death Star. Having sounds of Chewie roaring and things being knocked around does a good job of alleviating the question of "if the stormtroopers were shot, where are the blast marks?" or "was the Falcon shot up?" since there's no evidence of such later on. Just another example of the subtle yet great changes made to this edit.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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Originally posted by: corellian77

Originally posted by: OBtwosy
not all that comes out of Hollywood is "good" simply because it comes out of Hollywood.

I'd go so far as to say most of what comes out of Hollywood isn't good.


I agree. Not that it's Mojo's fault, of course. I'm just not impressed with the people in Hollywood now-doesn't mean anything to me. They're just not turning out good stuff now. Completely brainless trash. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, you have these "art house", pseudo-intellectual films nobody wants to watch. They're just as bad, but bad in a different way.

Sorry for going off-topic...

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Last night I watched the first half of the edit alongside the 2004 NTSC, Wookiee-Groomer style. That was fun. I can't count the number of times I looked at the DVD and thought, "Damn that's awfully blue!" The other side of that is the number of times I looked at the edit and thought, "Damn, that's awfully gray," but that's a matter of personal taste and I respect Ady's choices on that matter. Regardless of degree, it's still a considerable improvement over the DVD's palette. As I watched, I'm sure I still didn't catch every change, but every change I caught felt like a genuine upgrade to me. I remain impressed, viewing after viewing. Great work, Ady.

Ron Moses

Avoid infestation. Rotate.

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Originally posted by: Fuser
^lol! You must either be joking or from America!


www.kylie.com


In America we usually have last names.

EDIT:

Sorry, my question kind of distracted from the topic. I'd post a picture of a cat to make up for it, but I am feeling too lazy to search the net for one. Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Originally posted by: corellian77

Originally posted by: OBtwosy
not all that comes out of Hollywood is "good" simply because it comes out of Hollywood.

I'd go so far as to say most of what comes out of Hollywood isn't good.


I agree. Not that it's Mojo's fault, of course. I'm just not impressed with the people in Hollywood now-doesn't mean anything to me. They're just not turning out good stuff now. Completely brainless trash. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, you have these "art house", pseudo-intellectual films nobody wants to watch. They're just as bad, but bad in a different way.

Sorry for going off-topic...




Let's not get carried away. Poorly written poor quality work does greatly out number the truly good, or great. But the fact is that has always been the case. But let's not say there is NO quality in Hollywood because I can tell you there is, even if, of course it's not as talked about, if talked about at all. But there is a huge world of film and television beyond the world of Hollywood, and that's just the English language. There's a lot of good stuff out there. And don't knock "art house" cinema, even the bad. Because without it all you would have is main stream projects, and that would not be a better world to live in.

Getting back on topic, the easiest way to spot a wanker (in any industry) is when he throws around his job title with flash comments about "how great it is to work in the biz, and "I like it and believe I know what I'm talking about." Real professionals don't talk like that. It's just something I'm not a fan of and take offence to.

Blade Runner: The Complete Collection

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Ady, in the scene where Vader is choking Admiral Douchebag (Motti?) in the conference room, where did you pull that music from? I'm referring specifically to the violin that can briefly be heard... it suits the scene very well and was curious as to where it came from.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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i'm sure if ady had unlimited resources there are things he would've improved on above and beyond what he has achieved. he has stated there are shots he wanted that just could not be pulled off with the existing material.


^^ This brings up an interesting point, Ady if you were an ILM employee with everything at your disposal what might you have done differently with this otherwise awesome edit?