Fang Zei said:
At this point, an OOT release isn't so much a matter of "if" but "when" and "how" and "what." How will they go about restoring it? Will they include the '97 version for completionism's sake? What about the prequels? Will they now be stuck in their revised form on blu-ray while the OOT remains available?? What about the "official" version of the OT? Will it be re-scanned or will the lowry master linger on even longer?
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Does anybody actually care about getting untouched versions of the PT?
Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested.
Personally I'd be quite happy for all prints of TPM puppet yoda being burned and erased from existence. I care much more about getting ALL the PT deletedmaterial released in HD. Alternate line deliveries, deleted scenes and crucially the half of each movie before it was reshot/f*cked up at the pickup stage. Then faneditors can use it to make even better cuts.
Plus as far as I know all changes have been to add little bits here and there (Taxi, Podrace etc) so at least the material is out there in HD. Unlike the OT where it doesn't exist. Feel free to correct me on this if I'm mistaken.
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Ryan McAvoy said:
Does anybody actually care about getting untouched versions of the PT?
Not interested in the least. I suppose on principle I support LFE making the theatrical cuts available, but it's sort of a moot point as far as I'm concerned, since I will never again spend a single solitary cent on those piles of drek, be they in any form or format.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
I still want the theatrical versions rereleased, as apart from the new yoda, the bluray and dvd versions have stupid changes.
More importantly though, I want all the unused material released in HD, though I highly doubt that happening.
If anything I want to see a massive reconstruction of the prequels that take all the material in to account and make the best films possible under the helm of a good director. I would see this happening when Disney gets rights to the prequels, or they would just remake them entirely.
Theatrical Phantom menace should absolutely be released, even though I personally would probably never watch it. It was a pretty major pop culture event of summer 99.
Yeah, it's more a matter of principle for me. I doubt I'd ever waste my time watching it either, but TPM's theatrical cut should be preserved if only because it was the second highest grossing film of the 1990's and the most anticipated film pretty much ever at the time. It's historically relevent. AotC is admittedly harder to make similar arguments for, but I'd still love to see the theatrical and Imax cuts of the movie preserved.
Where's the love for Creepy Puppet Yoda? ;)
All movies should be preserved in their original theatrical form, even the one's we don't like. The amount of money raised on Kickstarter to preserve Manos: The Hands of Fate is a good example of this.
That such a unique "bad" film is getting more love than the OOT boggles the mind...
Where were you in '77?
I want theatrical versions of ALL Star Wars movies, even those which suck
^ That ought to be on a bumper sticker! ;)
Where were you in '77?
In france, it seems that the new boxsets will only have the DVD versions, no bluray.
So my guess is that they are the 2011 versions on DVD, indeed.
SilverWook said:
Where's the love for Creepy Puppet Yoda? ;)
DuracellEnergizer said:
While I don't love him, I'd take him over Spastic Plastic CG Vomit Yoda any day.
Indeed, the ideal would be an ESB/ROTJ Yoda in the prequels, but that probably won't ever happen except for maybe some very ambitious fanedit.
Anyhow, I now see why they are repackaging the films.
emanswfan said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
While I don't love him, I'd take him over Spastic Plastic CG Vomit Yoda any day.
Indeed, the ideal would be an ESB/ROTJ Yoda in the prequels, but that probably won't ever happen except for maybe some very ambitious fanedit.
Anyhow, I now see why they are repackaging the films.
I suppose it's possible, but The Clone Wars isn't distributed by Fox.
I'm gonna say something controversial but the CGI Yoda is just as good as the puppet from ESB... perhaps better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk
Unlike with almost every other CGI element of the PT the animators slaved over Yoda as can be seen in the production videos. They were working on it for along time before they even showed/told Lucas because they were so scared of screwing it up. They did research frame by frame into how Frank Oz's hand moved inside the head to mimic it exactly with the CGI muscles. They wanted it to look like the puppet but with subtle facial movements not possible with a physical puppet. They even copied the exact way puppet Yoda's rubber ears woblled when he moved. I believe Adywan is approaching ESB:R Yoda from a similar perspective with very subtle CGI ehancements (Like he did in the Cantina).
I would consider CGI Yoda to be the second best performance in the PT, just behind Ian McDiarmid.
Yoda's leaping around at the end of AOTC is another matter. Again as can be seen in the production videos the animators had prepared a subtle and convincing way for Yoda to move but Lucas took one look and said no he should spring around like a Frog, as can be seen in this video...
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valinkrai said:
I suppose it's possible, but The Clone Wars isn't distributed by Fox.
I know The Clone Wars is distributed by Warner Bros., but they certainly strike a similar look.
Ryan McAvoy said:
I'm gonna say something controversial but the CGI Yoda is just as good as the puppet from ESB... perhaps better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk
Unlike with almost every other CGI element of the PT the animators slaved over Yoda as can be seen in the production videos. They were working on it for along time before they even showed/told Lucas because they were so scared of screwing it up. They did research frame by frame into how Frank Oz's hand moved inside the head to mimic it exactly with the CGI muscles. They wanted it to look like the puppet but with subtle facial movements not possible with a physical puppet. They even copied the exact way puppet Yoda's rubber ears woblled when he moved. I believe Adywan is approaching ESB:R Yoda from a similar perspective with very subtle CGI ehancements (Like he did in the Cantina).
I would consider CGI Yoda to be the second best performance in the PT, just behind Ian McDiarmid.
Yoda's leaping around at the end of AOTC is another matter. Again as can be seen in the production videos the animators had prepared a subtle and convincing way for Yoda to move but Lucas took one look and said no he should spring around like a Frog, as can be seen in this video...
Yes, Lucas did screw with Yoda's movements in ATOC. But no way is a fully CGI yoda better than the OT puppet Yoda. The puppet is real, and you can tell that. The movements may not be as detailed, but you can see it take up real space. Ady's CGI enhancements are great as they are subtle and not fully replacing him. But entirely CGI, creates a huge disconnect between the characters and the audience, one of the many reasons the PT is so inferior.
The worst thing about that video is everyone nodding along and laughing while they grin and bear it. I really do wonder if anyone on those three films had the balls to say, "You know, George, that's not really a very good idea." at any point. I would assume not.
thekremlin said:
The worst thing about that video is everyone nodding along and laughing while they grin and bear it. I really do wonder if anyone on those three films had the balls to say, "You know, George, that's not really a very good idea." at any point. I would assume not.
Maybe plenty did, George just erased them from the credits and the bonus material.
emanswfan said:
valinkrai said:
I suppose it's possible, but The Clone Wars isn't distributed by Fox.
I know The Clone Wars is distributed by Warner Bros., but they certainly strike a similar look.
It's actually some company called Trifecta Entertainment and Media. I assumed the same as you, but I didn't remember any logos of Warner Bros. Only the Clone Wars movie itself was WB if I recall.
valinkrai said:
It's actually some company called Trifecta Entertainment and Media. I assumed the same as you, but I didn't remember any logos of Warner Bros. Only the Clone Wars movie itself was WB if I recall.
Oh, I see now. That probably explains why the movie isn't included in the season 1-5 collector's boxset.
Lucasfilm dictates the packaging though, no matter who puts it out.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Personally I'd be quite happy for all prints of TPM puppet yoda being burned and erased from existence.
NOOOOOO!!!!
"Close the blast doors!"
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I love it when all my DVDs and books all match up on the shelf. Screw the digital revolution, give me physical objects to look nice anyday.
All the spines of my 28 book 'Lone Wolf and Cub' collection and 20 volumes of 'Complete Judge Dredd' all match mmmmm.
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Jaitea said:
Fang Zei said:
At this point, an OOT release isn't so much a matter of "if" but "when" and "how" and "what." How will they go about restoring it? Will they include the '97 version for completionism's sake? What about the prequels? Will they now be stuck in their revised form on blu-ray while the OOT remains available?? What about the "official" version of the OT? Will it be re-scanned or will the lowry master linger on even longer?
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lol
Ryan McAvoy said:
Screw the digital revolution, give me physical objects to look nice anyday.
Says the man advocating for a digital Yoda over the physical one.