SDCC Star Wars Deleted Scenes Montage!! — Page 2

I know I should be excited by this, but I'm just not. Lucas and his cronies have really worn me out. If we ever get a proper release of the OOT I think the emotion I feel will be one of relief rather than joy.

Sorry to be such a downer folks. I really need 5pm to come so I can get home and get drunk.

Anchorhead said:

danny_boy said:

Lucas could have released this footage on the home video market at any point from 1982 onwards.

I am just grateful to see it.

The dirt and scratches actually give it character.

Dirt ,scratches,weave,occasional soft focus(intentional or otherwise) are synonimous with film.....

I would hazard a guess that the print you saw of SW in 77' was scratched up as well.

Correct on all points and I agree.  Not the point I was trying to make.

Regarding who cares;  I do.  Character of film vs digital is wonderful - and I'm all for it.  However,  does it really have to be left in as bad a condition as possible?  For the record, I don't know what it takes to clean old film, so maybe it does have to be left that way.  My point was - I'm suspect.

Yeah!, sorry I care too.

I think context is important.

In the digital age of razor sharp 1080p/2k and 4K theatrical presentations and home cinemas(bluRay and DVD) where the audience/fan base is very attuned to the slightest bit of  pixelization or granularity in video transfers---any anomalies(such as dirt/scratches ect) in picture quality are immedietetly identified and frowned upon.

I just chucked in my trusty ol' 1982 Star Wars VHS tape and checked out a few scenes and found that the telecined transfer contains a lot of scratches/dirt.

And the print at the point that this telecine was done (1981/82) would have been  merely 4 years old!

Now I have watched this tape a 1000 times over the last 29 years!

But when it first came out in 82/83' I did not care about the quality of the transfer(which is quite good in my humble opinion--even by today's VHS standards).

At the time I just enjoyed the story and the film. Now I may have only been 9 years old at that point but I am pretty sure that "mature" videofiles of the early 80's would have been quite happy with the relative quality of the tape(or laserdisc).

It is our own standards and expectations which have skyrocketed.

But in doing so our ability just to enjoy a film for a film's sake has diminished.

Anchorhead said:

danny_boy said:

But in doing so our ability just to enjoy a film for a film's sake has diminished.

Not all of us. 

Story is the only thing that's ever mattered to me.  That's what made the switch to the NPR version so effortless for me.  It was story only. No versions, no bullshit.

Honestly, as much as I rail on Lucas for all his lying and his OV bullshit, the film version of Star Wars is very nearly a thing of the past for me now.  I last watched it in 2006.    It holds almost no interest for me anymore. My problem with Lucas is his ego and his lying, not the poor quality of the 06 DVD.

I want the 1977 version to be properly restored because it absolutely should be, not because I'll switch back to it as my go-to.  That's just not going to happen. I will definitely buy it and watch it though.

Regarding film grain & dirt;  It doesn't bother me in the least.  In fact, I never give it any thought.

 

As prequelsrule mentioned above; If the 1977 film is ever properly released, I'll feel a sense of relief -  but not happiness. Lucas ruined his version of Star Wars for me a long time ago.  Star Wars, to me, is something entirely different than it was 34 years ago.

Thats fair enough mate--and I completely agree with you.

Thought i would post a few screen shots of my VHS tape from 82'.

The print used for this  transfer was not digitally remastered or tampered with(be it image or sound) prior to being telecined(unlike all the other transfers from 1984-2011!)

Now whether this was a theatrical  or a 1st or 2nd generation inter positive print is unknown.

But after 4 short years it had already aquired a fair amount of dirt and scratches.

If it was a theatrical print then those very same dirt and scratches would most likely have been part of many cinema goer's SW experience from that era(yours and mine included!).But in 1977 or 1981 this was par for the course.This dates the film and accentuates it's moment in time and history which is something to be celebrated.

In 2011 everybody(as in the fans on Bluray.com) will expect the Star Wars:ANH blu ray transfer to look as clean as Tranformers 3 or Avatar!

But as you can see---it never looked clean even back in it's hey day.

CP3S said:

Anchorhead said:

danny_boy said:

But in doing so our ability just to enjoy a film for a film's sake has diminished.

Not all of us. 

Story is the only thing that's ever mattered to me.

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Regarding film grain & dirt;  It doesn't bother me in the least.  In fact, I never give it any thought.

Completely agree with this. I guess it is easy for some people to get caught up in our presentation obsessed culture, but that alone just doesn't do it for me.

Of course, I am one of those who complain about how bad the GOUT looks and would really love to see the OOT on proper blu-ray release someday before I get too old to care. So clearly presentation isn't meaningless to me, but definitely secondary to story. Which is why I'd rather just stick with my crummy second hand GOUT (sounds gross) than waste money on the BDs.

These deleted scenes are great, but a perfect example of Mr. Cutting Edge Technology Lucas being several years behind the times. Just about every other crappy film in existence had a DVD release with deleted scenes on it. This sort of thing should have been on the '04 box set, if it had been living up to the standards of most other major DVD sets of the time.

Try 18 years behind the times. These should have been on the 1993 Definitive Collection Laserdisc set. There were plenty of LD's on the market with deleted scenes included at the time, mostly from Criterion.

Watching the clip again, I noticed there's a Y-Wing parked next to the Falcon during the sandstorm. Am I seeing that right?

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Photos of the Y-Wing have surfaced before. Curiously it's not visible in the famous unused matte painting of the Falcon and X-Wing parked near the cave where Luke works on his new saber.

Are we supposed to believe Leia rode in the cargo hold of the X-Wing, or that they abandoned a perfectly good Y-Wing on Tattooine in the middle of a war? ;)

That Y-Wing could be Leia's as she used it in the early EU stories as well. Also if Chewie and Lando came in the Falcon and Luke by X-Wing. But since it's deleted, we can assume Leia came with Falcon, too. :)

Ziggy Stardust said:

Nerdgasm.

I might buy the set for this.

But then again, no.

IT'S A TARP!!!

LexX said:

That Y-Wing could be Leia's as she used it in the early EU stories as well. Also if Chewie and Lando came in the Falcon and Luke by X-Wing. But since it's deleted, we can assume Leia came with Falcon, too. :)

I don't think that's possible, since Leia stays with Luke at the end of TESB.

It's probably Leia's.

TK-949 said:

 

Alexrd said:

LexX said:

That Y-Wing could be Leia's as she used it in the early EU stories as well. Also if Chewie and Lando came in the Falcon and Luke by X-Wing. But since it's deleted, we can assume Leia came with Falcon, too. :)

I don't think that's possible, since Leia stays with Luke at the end of TESB.

And Chewie stays with Lando, so what's your point here?

 

My point is that Leia didn't come with the Falcon.

A few interesting ROTJ possibilities:

Hasbro says the Mon Cal is an A-Wing pilot.  Going by the one shot we have seen, he's clearly a B-Wing pilot.  Perhaps this suggests that there are more space battle shots (exterior fighter shot(s)) in the deleted scenes (i.e., maybe he's associated with an A-Wing in this possible additional footage, like how some other pilots are associated with incorrect ship-types in the film itself).

Also, in that set of figures there's a guy named General Cracken.  According to the EU, he's this guy:

Their appearances certainly match.  Maybe we'll see more of the Rebels on the Falcon (or Home One) as well.

Also - does the one Treadwell shot (the far one) look colorized to anyone else?  It'd be strange, because of the lack of dirt/scratch removal, etc, but we do know that the previously-known versions of that scene were B&W.

SilverWook said:

Are we supposed to believe Leia rode in the cargo hold of the X-Wing, or that they abandoned a perfectly good Y-Wing on Tattooine in the middle of a war? ;)

Well...Luke did abandon his X-wing on Cloud City. It magically reappears. Unless the Alliance just gave him another expensive ship to simply replace the one he left sitting around.