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I am sure I don't speak for just myself when I say I enjoy the EU, enjoy it immensely. Adywan has revealed that he intends to destroy the entire EU with his plans for ROTJ:R. I for one love your work Adywan and I respect that you dont want to ADD anything from the EU into your Revisted trilogy but pleeeeease dont make the entire EU irrelevant by killing off Lando, or any other major character.

Im begging here Adywan. Begging I tell ya.

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LOL 

 

I didn't like the idea of giving chewie a medal either but it doesn't stop me from watching it, if it really bugs you that much edit the old ending back in for your own viewing pleasure, after it comes out 

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It does and I will but I know nothing of film editing and have no interest in learning. I have enough time-sucking hobbies.

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I say kill em' all off, & let the emperor win!  >;-)

Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?

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I'm not a fan of those typical American endings where everyone survives and hugs. It's too simple!

I'm all for an ending with more drama.

As far as the EU goes... isn't it already contradictory?

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I don't know how it could be done but an alternate take could be to kill Han in the Endor battle (so he never see's the Falcon again) and have Lando live and marry Leia (many, many years later).

That would make Harrison Ford happy, keep the cries of "You killed the only black character" at bay and what's more move him from the B list to the A list characters.

Killing Lando is more doable though.

I'm all for reshuffling the deck with Jedi, after the great build up of the first two films it was a let down and set up the even greater let down to come.

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OK, this would be the coolest compromise ever:

Two versions: Lando lives / Lando dies

As the movie starts, choose "Original Ending", "Revisited Ending", or "Random Ending".

The last choice would be the way I would watch it.  That way, you'd be on the edge of your seat wondering if Lando is going to die this time!

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doubleofive said:

OK, this would be the coolest compromise ever:

Two versions: Lando lives / Lando dies

As the movie starts, choose "Original Ending", "Revisited Ending", or "Random Ending".

The last choice would be the way I would watch it.  That way, you'd be on the edge of your seat wondering if Lando is going to die this time!

That is a brilliant idea, take all the edits ever done and stick them on randomly branching discs so you never know what mix you are going to get.

That deserves a thread all on it's own. http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Never-The-Same-Saga-Twice-Thread/topic/10316/

 

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AxiaEuxine said:

I am sure I don't speak for just myself when I say I enjoy the EU, enjoy it immensely. Adywan has revealed that he intends to destroy the entire EU with his plans for ROTJ:R. I for one love your work Adywan and I respect that you dont want to ADD anything from the EU into your Revisted trilogy but pleeeeease dont make the entire EU irrelevant by killing off Lando, or any other major character.

Im begging here Adywan. Begging I tell ya.

 

 Why not just watch the original DVD then?  It's not like Adywan releases an edit and it suddenly becomes the only existing Star Wars canon. 

To the rest of the world outside this board, Greedo still fires first.  So, I don't think Lando is in any real danger of expiring.  ;) 

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i can imagine the post revisited world will have many fan-edits based of adys versions. someone is already making another version picking their preferred bits from ANH:R and GOUT.

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With the fan edits there is no more one single version of a story, but anyone can tell "his own". Adywan did (and will do) it. These are his edits and no one can change the editor's plan.

But no one is forced to accept them. Ady's ANH:R is surely the best edit of ANH available today but I think that is not the final version of it, simply a new point of reference for every fan edit in the future.

 

I admire the work done by Adywan but I totally disagree with some choice, like the new cut of the scene in Ben's hut in ANH, the choice to restore the original voice to Boba in ESB, the Lando-must-die thing, and even the plans for the prequels.

 

But Adywan's edits aren't Star Wars, simply Star Wars... "from a certain point of view".

Neither I can accept, now, to see Lando die in ROTJ -even if back in 1983 would be the better choice, along with the destruction of the Falcon- because I love the EU (and I'm also editing it: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/FIXED-UNIVERSE-The-Expanded-Universe-fan-editing-THE-WHOLE-THRAWN-TRILOGY-IS-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/9508/ ). Personally I've already edited ANH:R for my personal viewing, restoring the Jabba's scene and the original Ben's hut scene (color corrected from Ady's purist version) and I've no doubt I'll edit both ESB and ROTJ.

 

So, Adywan is not destroying the EU... simply adding his contribution to Star Wars.

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I know this thread is just for fun, and it is kinda cute, but this kind of thing somewhat reminds me of some of the chefs that would compete on Iron Chef. They were stubbornly old school and thought that the Iron Chefs, with their fusion techniques, were some kind of disgrace and were killing the foundations of Japanese cooking. I can understand the fear of losing the originals, but to me, if there are so many chefs still preparing traditional dishes, they won't die. Let the new guys have their fun; don't harp on them for being different and having their own fun.

As for Lando, I don't really care one way or another. [in the case of ROTJ:R] This is an edit, made to play out to one man's vision, not a preservation effort. I know that many years ago, when I first heard that they had an alternate ending for Jedi where Lando dies, I thought 'wow, a major character killed off? Neat-o!' The idea intrigued me rather than turned me off. I sorta wished I could also see that ending.

If Lando were to die, the worst would be watching it with my mother, who has had Billy Dee Williams on her 'top 10' list since he did Bingo Long. :p

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Well... I'd be pretty saddened to see that change made, especially given none of his on-screen mates would give a toss. Seems like a GL style "change for the sake of it", rather than the tidying/modernising we've had with ANH:R and seem to be getting with ESR:R.


But hey, Ady does whatever he does - I've loved his work so far.

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I say kill Lando or Han.  Either one.  Doesn't matter.  As long as someone important dies, it gives a sense of sacrifice the film sorely needs - we need to feel that while the rebels won, it came with a price.  So go ahead.  I say you can even kill Chewie.

The point is not killing a character and just leaving it be - we also need to see the other characters react to it realistically.  Everyone needs to feel the loss.  So as long as that can be accomplished, kill anyone you want in ROTJ except for Luke.

And this comes from the guy who loves the Thrawn Trilogy.  To me, making Jedi better is more important than preserving the EU.

Now I'll go back and read everyone else's posts in this thread. :-)

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I love how anytime an editor suggests an edit/cut in the attempt of make a SW film better or improving it, the purists automatically balk and say that the edit will be no good, even though the fanedit in question is years away from completion and they have no idea how it'll all turn out.

From a narrative standpoint, Return of the Jedi is terribly written with poorer characterization, editing, and direction than the two films that preceeded it. If an editor is to salvage the movie and improve its story, drastic changes and cuts may be necessary.
- For Adywan, that may mean killing off Lando or Leia or R2-D2 or whoever else (although where is his posts does he say that exactly? Seriously, I can't find it anywhere in his thread).
- For my planned RotJ edit, that means cutting the "Leia is Luke's twin" and "Han/Leia romance" subplots and trying to edit a new ending that reflects some of the more "bitter" aspects of the original drafts of Jedi (although I am still looking into how feasible a new ending would be, as it would require far more editing/compositing than I've done on the Prequels) 

 

AxiaEuxine, I believe I gave you this advice when you made your "list" on my Prequel thread, but if you don't like the changes that a faneditor makes, you're obviously NOT going to like the resulting fanedit. If you truly want to see a specific change or cut, there is nothing stopping you from making your own edit of the movie.

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adywan said:

Some of the changes will be controversial but these changes need to happen. Jedi really needs that bitter sweet ending and an ending to wrap up the whole saga. it also needs to steer away from being a rehash of ANH. The idea was there from the beginning, as can be seen in Han's line, but that lead nowhere. I'm not going to budge on the ending, i'm afraid. in fact the only thing that will make me change my mind is if i can't pull it off convincingly.

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No god no dont kill them. Why is it that everytime a movie full of white folks the only cool brother gotta die.

Well you win the award of making my idea of killing off Lando sound like a racist one. lol

The last one was the first official mention of Lando's name after he randomly mentioned months ago about killing off a character, which we assumed to be Lando.

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Ah, thanks for that, doubleofive.

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So basiclly, Ady wants to kill the only black guy in Star Wars? Think of the aplications of that.

In truth, I'm not the world biggest Lando fan. That bieng said, killing him would be just plain silly. Tweaking effects in one thing but I think a line is crossed if he goes down this road. Plus I don't think it's relevent to the story at that point if any of the side charactors die. The fate of everything, story included, falls on Luke. Does Luke die? Does he kill Vader? Does the Emperor Luke? It's all in Lukes hands. If you were doing to kill someone it would have to be in Empire, Jedi is too late in the game. And anyway, I don't think killing Lando is "bittersweet" enough. Lando flies the Falcon out of the burning Death Star, Nuff said.

 

What are you going to do next, kill Wedge?

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Don't give him any ideas I love wedge!

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On the subject of killing Han, which has also been suggested,  I tend to agree with Lucas from a story standpoint.  If the heroes go through all that at the beginning of the movie to rescue Han, just to have him die at the bunker...it leaves the viewer feeling confused. 

If anyone's gonna die, it HAS to be Lando.  Self-sacrifice is the only way he can fully redeem himself for selling out his friends in Empire.  When it comes down to it, he said he was sorry, but never really paid any consequences for his betrayal.  Instead he was promoted to "General" and given command of a crucial assault on the Death Star. 

Lando must pay.  :)        

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InfoDroid said: 

Why not just watch the original DVD then?  It's not like Adywan releases an edit and it suddenly becomes the only existing Star Wars canon. 

 

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