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Rumor: COUNTDOWN to The Rise of Skywalker EXTENDED CUT - * SPOILERS * — Page 2

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Force-Abel said:

On the coming novelization of ‘The Rise Of Skywalker’, by author Rae Carson:-

“just gonna shamelessly take this moment to mention that if the #TheRiseOfSkywalker film included everything in the novelization, it would definitely be at least 3 hours long”

^ https://twitter.com/raecarson/status/1212810807009873926
 

The book will be available from March 3rd - https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Skywalker-Expanded-Star-Wars/dp/0593128400

That tweet kind-of confirms the reddit leaks in regards to the insider speaking about how Disney screwed up JJ’s original 3-hour cut. Then again, it’s a rumour.

Then again, wasn’t that all discredited?

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I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. IT 2 and Doctor Sleep are both getting extended cuts on home video, and with Endgame and Spider Man both getting rereleases with new footage, who knows what’s going to happen. Considering that none of the things I’ve mentioned above were asked for but still happened, I think that the big issue right now is the fact that something like this is unprecedented for a Star Wars movie and what completed footage is available for use. Even if the whole story about JJ being bullied by the studio isn’t true, based on what we’ve heard about the production I highly doubt he’s completely satisfied with the final product.

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If this “extended cut” does exist, do you suppose the rumoured ending where the Millennium Falcon gets blown up could turn up, be it either conceptually or physically?

“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
-Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (2005)

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How will the plot allow for that? Lando and Chewie make it out alive and land on the Resistance base for a celebration.

The Rise of Failures

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Lord of the Rings had official extended editions of all movies, so there’s precedent.
But they are focused on streaming. If it does come out, it will be on their service (again, there’s precedent with the 4K versions).

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thedewback2 said:

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. IT 2 and Doctor Sleep are both getting extended cuts on home video, and with Endgame and Spider Man both getting rereleases with new footage, who knows what’s going to happen. Considering that none of the things I’ve mentioned above were asked for but still happened

This breaks down along the idea that extended/director’s cuts only happen because the audience asks for it. That’s not usually how that sort of thing happens, it’s not a supply/demand sort of deal for the most part. Often these sorts of things happen because it’s built into the contract signed with the studio before filming has started. That’s not always how it happens, but it frequently happens that the presence of extended/director’s cuts aren’t due to fandom requests, but from either the director’s requesting it of the studio, or the studio wishing to increase the profitability of the home video release (in those cases sometimes the Director doesn’t even really want the extended version out there but it’s out of their hands).

In the case of IT and Doctor Sleep, those extended cuts were part of the planning for those projects before filming even got underway - the directors knew they’d have an opportunity to go back and make changes to what they were aiming for theatrically, and now it’s happening. It’s not really comparable to this situation, especially since the studio in question there is Warner Bros, not Lucasfilm. IIRC, that was the same scenario with Lord of the Rings, although there it was more of a gamble - Jackson was shooting stuff he figured he’d put back on the home video release, it was basically a question of whether the film would be successful enough that the studio would then allow him to finish and release those cuts. Of course, they were, and Warner Bros/New Line was more than happy to extend the profitability of their home video dept during the double-dip era of DVD.

The two Marvel examples you pointed out were, IIRC, closer to “the studio wishing to increase profitability” and essentially putting deleted scenes/trailers at the end of the credits, not re-cutting the whole movie. The major difference between all those examples and this one is that there’s no indication from anyone, anywhere, that Abrams ever had a contingency like that in mind.

This whole “extended cut” nonsense is more than likely out of the realm of possibility simply because it depends on all the poorly-thought-out fan-fiction that goes along with it being true as a premise, in order for the “extended cut” to exist. The whole reason we’re even discussing the possibility is tied to a single Saltier Than Crait post that is fairly ridiculous, and supported by an unsourced, unverified report from a heretofore unheard of “news” site nobody knows anything about that is also ridiculous in its own way.

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Broom Kid said:

This breaks down along the idea that extended/director’s cuts only happen because the audience asks for it. That’s not usually how that sort of thing happens, it’s not a supply/demand sort of deal for the most part.

The times they are a changin’. I made the thread because the demand is there and Hollywood does seem to respond when there is significant demand (not that this is a form of petition or any call to action), the means might be unconventional but not unprecedented in the social media age.

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The whole reason we’re even discussing the possibility is tied to a single Saltier Than Crait post that is fairly ridiculous, and supported by an unsourced, unverified report from a heretofore unheard of “news” site nobody knows anything about that is also ridiculous in its own way.

Again no, or not my intention at least, I didn’t start this thread as confirmation of anything or a reaction to any news I read, that’s actually why I posted so early after release. More of a prediction coming from a hunch as to where they play their next move. It seems very likely from even casual observation that among other things TROS was at least somewhat hacked in the edit, an extended cut is what’s on a lot of fans’ minds and I’m sure Lucasfilm is looking closer than we might expect. Nothing is ever concrete enough the tide cannot turn, the real magic trick is when a studio makes you think everything ended up exactly as they had planned in the first place.

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV

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Yeah from what I’ve heard from a few sources, there was a lot of things cut/replaced. Disney didn’t want to gamble with their billion dollar franchise after the flop with solo 😕

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act on instinct said:

The times they are a changin’. I made the thread because the demand is there and Hollywood does seem to respond when there is significant demand (not that this is a form of petition or any call to action), the means might be unconventional but not unprecedented in the social media age.

I don’t think they’re really changing. I can’t think of any real examples of “Hollywood” increasingly giving into fan demand by releasing “fixed” versions of popular movies already in release. More often what happens is these extended versions are already being worked on before fans even start “demanding” anything. Another good example is the Batman v. Superman extended cut, which Snyder had already prepped for home video release even before people ever thought to ask for it. And again, that’s a Warner Bros title - “Hollywood” isn’t a single hive mind, many people at the different studios have different ideas on how to extend the life of a film once it leaves theaters. Warners has had a lot of success with the double- (and triple-) dip in the past, so they’re very amenable to letting directors and producers negotiate for longer versions of their movies on home video. Other studios don’t do this nearly as much, and there’s not a lot of evidence that I can see of other studios (or that one, even) putting extended and/or “fixed” versions of their films on home video as a direct response to fan wishlists.

Anyway, if the times were really changing the Snyder Cut of Justice League would have been released already, considering that’s the single most asked for “extended cut” in the past couple years. But so far that’s a big no-go, and that’s WITH one of the friendlier studios to extended home video cuts in charge.

I didn’t start this thread as confirmation of anything or a reaction to any news I read,

Oh I’m not saying you did, but the conversation being commented upon at this point isn’t really related to your original post anymore, and is primarly dedicated to the possibilities as presented via that Saltier Than Crait fanfic and the “news” report from the unheard-of-before-now website.

Still though - even if we set aside those two “sources” as the key basis to speculate on an extended cut, we’re still proceeding from a sort of broken premise, that asking Lucasfilm to give us an extended cut will actually work out in our favor. There’s an irony involved in people on Original Trilogy believing that demand will inevitably produce supply, haha. But the biggest problem is we have zero evidence that Abrams ever wanted to protect for an “extended cut” on home video later (so far as I know he’s never done this) and no evidence that either he or Lucasfilm were keeping that possibility open at any point during production. It’s hard to suggest the option might make itself available if nobody involved ever considered the option at all.

Not to say it’s impossible, but there’s not a lot going for it either.

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Fair enough, I think the Snyder Cut actually does show how far fan support can influence considering if it was always in the cards I agree it would be out already, instead there have been a lot of hints about its release on streaming later this year though I’ll eat my words if that never comes to pass. Even still I look at Sonic and Deadpool as instances which had higher ups change their tune and reverse a decision, not verbatim released to extended but proof of fan influence, other extended cuts I think are more of an acceptable excuse or “out” to allow Lucasfilm to potentially release one while maintaining dignity and without admission of guilt.

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV

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Given how apparently overly concerned they have been with fan reactions in producing this movie, I would hope that would carryover and getting something like an extended our directors cut.

It probably won’t, but that would at least leverage that to positive effect for us.

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Except at this point, acceding to fan demands would be doubling down on the very mistake they previously made on the production of the movie itself. They’re in kind of a tough place on that point.

Their best course of action on that front is to stop making themselves available to fans on that level so that way they’re not beholden in an ugly way to whatever fandom’s whims might be. With that concern more-or-less removed from the table (however long that might take) it would be easier for them to do these sorts of things without it seeming like a response or capitulation to outside pressure. Basically - every other studio simply does these sorts of things because they want to do it for their own internal reasons.

Tangentially, this is probably part of the reason Warners hasn’t pursued a “Snyder Cut” for Justice League (only part, and probably not a very big one) - if they ever announce that, it’s going to be seen as validating a section of the fanbase that’s been seen to be very ugly about what they want. Aside from the fact fandom whims are fairly fickle and not well thought out in many cases - Hollywood producers have a thing about control, and they like to appear like they’re maintaining it. Things like this imply they don’t really have it, and that implication is not one most people at the studios would prefer to nurture if they don’t have to.

The Sonic case is interesting, but I also think a big part of it has to do with Paramount being a studio that is in a terrible position (it’s barely a major at this point) and eating the amazingly bad buzz the trailer created THAT early wasn’t a great option. The Deadpool case wasn’t so much fandom getting the job done as it was savvy producers (Reynolds/Miller) taking advantage of a studio regime change to build buzz for a project via “leaked footage” that was already most of the way there. It’s more like they used the fandom to get what they want rather than the studio organically responding to fandom pressures.

I think best case scenario are deleted scenes on disc 2. I don’t think there’s going to be an extended cut, mostly because I don’t think Abrams ever planned on doing one, didn’t really want to do one, and nobody at Lucasfilm seemed to be entertaining the notion that one would be possible. Or would need to be possible. That studio especially is probably pretty jumpy at the notion of post-release alterations being applied, for reasons that are pretty obvious here. In order for one to be made, they’d have to be working on it now for an as-yet unannounced double-dip release (which certainly wouldn’t be done in time for the Skywalker Saga set, I don’t think) and I don’t think anyone involved really wants to even mess with The Rise of Skywalker anymore. Pretty much everything said in the past two weeks by anyone who worked on that film seems to be just… angering everybody.

Besides which, Bad Robot has more or less moved on, and are a Warner Bros. affiliate now anyway. Lucasfilm, in that case, would have to essentially handle any “extended cut” business themselves, without Abrams - and that’s a whole 'nother can of worms to consider.

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A well-thought out take on things. I do hope they will be generous with the deleted scenes presented, as it sure sounds like there were a lot of them close to being ready to go.

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And I would bet money they’ll have timecodes on the just like TFA.

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Any software recommendations for removing timecodes?

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If they did release a longer cut into theaters, I think it would get way more attention than the Endgame re-release they did, especially if the added scenes were significant. But I doubt they will do anything like that.

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Rodney-2187 said:

“If into the security recordings you go, only pain will you find.”

Never look behind the curtain.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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Hal 9000 said:

A well-thought out take on things. I do hope they will be generous with the deleted scenes presented, as it sure sounds like there were a lot of them close to being ready to go.

My prediction: NO deleted scenes with the Blu-ray release, none. No possibility for a fan extended edit, no admission of a single deleted scene. The movie that we got in theaters was exactly was Disney and JJ always intended from the start.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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Honestly I’m definitely operating on the assumption that there will be no deleted scenes. I’m usually an optimistic guy but something in my gut just tells me there’s no hope here. Maybe it’s just the movie itself that’s made me pessimistic.

Truth is we have precedence on our side. JJ Abrams has never put out a film of his on home video without deleted scenes. And the only Star Wars film so far to not have deleted scenes is Rogue One, but because of the rewrites and reshoots, it’s likely there weren’t any deleted scenes that were compatible with the final version of the film.

Of course that’s where the pessimism comes back, because TROS faced a decent amount of reshoots and rewrites as well, though not nearly to the same degree. Ultimately, all we can do is wait. I expect an announcement some time later next month. Then we’ll know.

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I think the wise thing for Disney to do would be to follow in DC’s by releasing an extended cut like BvS which by the way fixed the film for a lot of people.

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idir_hh said:

I think the wise thing for Disney to do would be to follow in DC’s by releasing an extended cut like BvS which by the way fixed the film for a lot of people.

This entire trilogy has been nothing but unwise decisions- I don’t expect them to wise up now.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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There were deleted scenes on the episode 7 & 8 blu rays. Why wouldn’t there be deleted scenes for this one?

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Chris Terrio has stated that if nothing else there are the Rose/Leia scenes that they deemed not high enough quality to include in the film.

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He walked that back by saying he meant what they wrote for those scenes was apparently too taxing for the VFX team to make real that they cut them before ever sending them over.