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Midichlorians?


Like I said--they make sense (perfect sense) even if it's flat, ultimately uneccessary storytelling. There's nothing at all confusing about them. And the Leia's mom speech in ROTJ (which isn't a prequel) makes just as much sense now as it did then, you know the rationalization for it just as well as I do, since it's been going around for the past 4 or 5 years on messageboards: The Force.

It's not that I'm not open to the idea. I was--when it first popped up about 4 or 5 years ago when people realized how this Prequel Trilogy was going to end. And back then, people were trying to figure out if you could "preserve the secret" for future generations, and it was then where all these story problems (including the Episode IV revelation) popped up. The number of problems is pretty much insurmountable. Ell's sort of on the closest track to being right, but really, the ONLY way to finish traveling down that path is to somehow show Obi-Wan teaching a padawan NAMED Darth Vader at one point. You'd have to shoot and cut in a little kid and fake some voice-over stuff to do it. And even then, it's still just spackle, because the fact there's a Darth Sidious, a Darth Tyranus, a Darth Vader and a Darth Maul sorta ruins that the jedi would let a kid named "Darth" anything into the temple, much less let Obi Wan train him.

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Ell, sorry about wandering somewhat off-topic in your thread.
There's nothing at all confusing about them.

...except that Obi-Wan & Yoda make no mention of them in Episodes IV to VI.
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the Leia's mom speech in ROTJ makes just as much sense now as it did then

...except that now her mom dies in childbirth, whereas then Leia could have actually known her.
I'm not a fan of rationalizations. I don't believe anyone would say "She died when I was very young" referring to childbirth.
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...except that Obi-Wan & Yoda make no mention of them in Episodes IV to VI.

So? That isn't confusing. There is nothing confusing about the explanation and introduction of midichlorians. The concept is pretty well explained. Lots of stuff in Star Wars is introduced and then not talked about again. They're plot threads, and flavoring details. I'm not saying the concept was necessary or even very flavorful--but it's not confusing.

I'm not a fan of rationalizations. I don't believe anyone would say "She died when I was very young" referring to childbirth.


I don't believe people can levitate things with their mind, either, but in a movie as fantastical as Star Wars, things like that are pretty easily figured out. And by the way, fan edits are essentially 2 hour long rationalizations on DVD, man

There's all kinds of charges you can level at the prequels, I just don't think "Confusing" is one of them. I think trying to edit out all mentions of Darth Vader in Episode III will make the movie confusing, actually.

Ell ,the edits seem clean enough, but it's kinda hard to evaluate WITHOUT that music being fixed.
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1) Luke is not named by Padme. Also Yoda says nothing, Obi-wan just says he will take him and watch over him. then no scene on with the Lars family. This leaves Luke just a new character in ANH.


it's a good idea to edit out Leia so the revelation about luke's sister is preserved, but we know Luke is Anakin's son soon enough in ANH, to be honest I'd just cut the film almost straight after the duel, not showing Anakin survive, in the cinema at that point i remeber thinking 'oh god, there's still more to come', and most of my major problems with the film happen after the duel.
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Not wanting to totally change what you are working on, but might it be easier to have ROTS as flashbacks during the trilogy? This way, the secret is preserved because you don't see the spoiler scenes until after the secret is revealed?
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Originally posted by: Number20
Not wanting to totally change what you are working on, but might it be easier to have ROTS as flashbacks during the trilogy? This way, the secret is preserved because you don't see the spoiler scenes until after the secret is revealed?


That's pretty much the only way to really have it work, along with making subtle alterations to the OT.
If you cut into Episode 3 by itself, and leave the OT completely untouched, the surprise gets ruined anyway a few minutes into ANH and again twice in ESB.
I guess in the end it depends on if you feel comfortable going in and making changes to the OT (ala George) to tie the whole series together, or if you really obsess that the only version must be the originals.
The way I see it, I really wouldn't mind changes being made if the originals were also available.
He could replace Chewbacca with Jar Jar, have Alderaan shoot first at the Death Star, have Vader shoot first at Han, make Yoda Luke's mother, put a chef hat on Admiral Akbar, do THIS to the scene with the Emperor in ESB, and redub Vader with Arnold Schwartzenegger & I'd have no problem whatsoever with it, if I knew I could just pop in disc 2 and watch any Pre-1997 version instead.
We've made the originals available as best we can. There's many talented people here on the job of restoring the OT and I toss them assistance if they think to ask. I guess that's why I don't really have a problem with going back and screwing with the originals a little.

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I've tried too to make my way a prequel that keep the revelation  vader=anakin. There's two solution for me.


The first one need to delete the duel between anakin and Obiwan in the prequel. Anakin will be killed by a character like 'Saruman' ( a former grand master jedi who decided to follow palpatine for protect the galactic union instead of letting it fall in chaos. This character will be rejected by Palpatine when he will no longer need him, soon in EP3)

In the end of the prequel : The audience believes in the death of Anakin, a grand jedi who ran into the lion's jaws despite the warning of his master.

After that we have two options :

- Obiwan, before the EP1 have already train several Jedi. One of them ( who doesn't named Vader but SAREN, Obiwan tell that name for simplification) will be the guy spoken in ANH. A terrible war is taking place outside the republic. Two Empires clush terribly by using a new technology of cloning. A Alliance of Republic Border System born for counter theses exterior ennemies in case they try to attack them. But without the advice of the Senate, This alliance enter in war and get involved in this war. Secretly it is the cloning technology that they want. SAREN, the former pupil of obiwan, and many other jedi will leave the order for join the conflict. During the war, SAREN will discover the old civilisation of Mandalorians and will use them for win the war. After the conflict, the republic will try to administer the region but the alliance renamed Confederacy, Saren turned to the dark side, and his mandalorian will return there forces against the republic. EP1 start at the end of this second clone war against the republic. SAREN will finally be killed in EP2.

- change the dialog between luke and obiwan.

How my father died ?

'The Jedi have been hunted and killed by the Empire. Your father has been killed by its agent, the ennemies of the force.' ( or maybe another sentences before ... the ennemies of the force).

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A long winded possible solution to the ANH Vader problem (other than Ben just lying).

A) Edit out all of young Boba from AOTC and make Jengo Boba. Then use all the young Boba footage to make a new Padwan for Obi-Wan in ROTS who could grow up to be Vader in the OT (but doesn't).

B) Make it look like Anakin died defending Mace and cut out the Yoda Vs Palpatine fight. Then put some kind of mask on Vader during the Obi-Wan fight and make it look like Obi-wan is fighting Palpatine (removing all references to Anakin in the fight).

C) No need to kill of Padme just yet, the shock of Anakin's death sends her into premature labour but she doesn't give up the will to live.

D) Show the birth of robo-Vader and Death Star construction in a time sweeping sequence (like the celebration sequence of OT:SE but covering the space between the PT and the OT) this would allow first time viewers to possibly assume his cybernisation took place later.

It's not a perfect plan but it might obscure things to make them less obvious.