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RogueLeader's Rogue One Edit — Page 2

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RogueLeader said:

Galen betrays the Empire, but it also doesn’t arguably take away from Luke’s miracle.

This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

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Omni said:

This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

I don’t disagree with that. This was just an idea I had to address this issue, which I have heard brought up from time to time. I’ve argued against it before, but I can see where it is coming from as well. Kind of want to get a sense of people’s feelings about it.

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RogueLeader said:

Omni said:

This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

I don’t disagree with that. This was just an idea I had to address this issue, which I have heard brought up from time to time. I’ve argued against it before, but I can see where it is coming from as well. Kind of want to get a sense of people’s feelings about it.

A lot of your ideas for Rogue One seem similar to mine, but this one in particular I don’t agree with. I think one of the better things about the film is that it retcons a frankly obvious design flaw to be an intentional decision rather than simple incompetence. I think making this change would diminish that, and the fact that Galen didn’t catch the flaw in the initial design would make him look boneheaded.

Use cuts and VFX to remove the data disc being handed off to the Tantive IV. Mask it out of hand. Maybe replace disc with blaster for the second rebel (since he has a blaster in his right hand when he makes it into the Tantive IV). We can assume both ships received the transmission.

I’m also not sure about this change. I think what makes the Vader hallway scene work is that the stakes are clear. The Rebels are desperately trying to hand off the plans while Vader is cutting them down one by one. If there’s no game of hot potato with the plans happening, the scene is just Vader killing dudes because it looks cool, and doesn’t have much of a purpose.

Personally, I think the way TM2YC handled Vader was more or less perfect, and I wouldn’t change it much at all.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Octorox!

Like I’ve said, I’m not really committed to implementing those ideas, just want to hear arguments for and against, and see if it would be worth the trouble.

What do you think of not having Vader even mentioned in the film, and not seeing him until the corridor fight (or I guess I should say slaughter).

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Am I alone on this? I think the Vader hallway scene should be cut. It is bad ass, I see why many want it. As this scene actually takes place chronologically during the beginning of episode IV, I think it should not be in R1. I have seen some creative edits of IV that incorporate the R1 scene into episode IV. I prefer that.

That said, I think the opposite could be done too. Incorporate that initial episode IV scene into the end of R1. This could be done well, then IV could open with them saying several pods ejected but there were no life signs. Vader saying they must have hid the plans in the the pod send someone to collect the plans.

In this era of new star wars films they seem to be using a marvel style end scene to drum up excitement for the next movie. I personally don’t like it for star wars movies. My personal preference would be to add the R1 end scene to IV and Luke at the end of VII to VIII and if the broom kid makes a difference add that to IX.

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For my own edit, it uses Digimod’s edit as a base and I incorporated some of your ideas. The edit I came up with follows the narrative of video about fixing some of the pacing issues which I do agree with!

I am currently messing around with removing Vader and mention of him until the Corridor scene. Most of the issues that need to be addressed are the music transitions from scene removal or trimming to do so. Here are the Vader scenes AND mentions of him:

1.) The first scene to remove is the Mustafar scene with Vader and Krennic. The only thing to really work on is the transition from the Soon-To-Be-Rogue One crew scene in the stolen Imperial ship (After Jynn and Cassian’s argument) to the Rebel Base debating on what to do. It has to do with transiting the music.

2.) The next tinkering is the DS arriving on Scarif. Radus’ main go to guy says something like “giant mass as appeared” and we see the DS behind the clouds on the planet. We then jump to the DS with Tarkin and his go-to-guy. The dialogue goes something like:

“Do we attach the ships?”

“Vader takes care of that, we focus on base, prime it up”

There are two things I am thinking/playing with on this section. A) remove all the dialogue. We see the DS and we shoot back to Jynn and Cassian taking the elevator. B.) Abbreviate the dialogue to JUST Tarkin’s part about targeting the base the base. The main issue is the music transition as usual. However, I have more thoughts after going over the next sections.

3.) Next is Vader’s Star Destroyer jumping in and attacking the fleeing rebel ships. We see some shots of him looking upon the rebel fleet getting hammered. Simply remove the shots of him and tweak the music since it changes from a stronger music score to a softer one once he appears on screen. The softer music continues as the ship destroys more rebel ships. This was actually fairly easy to do and just needs some minor tweaking.

4.) Finally there is a scene between Jynn and Cassian walking on the beach. In the middle, there is a short scene with Vader telling and officer to prepare a boarding party. Simply remove that part. But this is where it gets tricky.

The music changes dramatically from the beach shots and this one. Also, before we see Vader, the two are sitting on the beach. After the Vader scene, they are standing and hugging … so … it makes a transition of them sitting and hugging already tough enough along with a very different music cues … This is one where I need some ideas or some help.

As a side note back on point 2. We can simply remove either the whole dialogue or use parts of it about targeting the base. The reason is more of a logical/military thinking about it. The original dialogue established “Vader will take care of the fleet, we are taking care of the base.” By either removing the scene or adjusting the dialogue in some ways makes it “random” a SD comes out of nowhere. True, it may not be needed at all and we the audience assume a SD came to the rescue since an imperial base is under attack!

I will play around with this, I admit I MAY be tempted to keep it the way it is or the shortened dialogue.

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Here are my attempts to remove Vader visibly or mentioned until we see him at the corridor. I still need to tweak some spots with the music fading into each other, but gives us an idea.

Vader Removal 1 https://vimeo.com/344198122

Vader Removal 2 https://vimeo.com/344199092

Vader Removal 3 https://vimeo.com/344199035

Vader Removal 4 https://vimeo.com/344199504

Scene 1 could be altered to remove the horn sound that is at the beginning of the Yavin base shot and maybe tweaked to have some soft music instead?. At the moment It may work as is since there is a slight build up right before the end of the scene with Jynn that leads to the horn sound.

Scene 2 seems fine to me … at least I don’t see or hear any sound/music issues with the transition.

Scenes 3 and 4 need a bit of working, especially the 4th one … that one is the toughest. There is also a sound glitch too I gotta fix anyway with the final one after exporting it.

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Not home right now but I’ll be checking these all out later, thanks for sharing them! I had the same worry regarding music transitions, I kept replaying clips just thinking about how it can be done. I’ll check your clips later and see where we can go from there!

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Those clips are great, Jarbear.

The ‘Your Father Would Be Proud’ and ‘Jyn Erso & Hope Suite’ tracks - from Rogue One soundtrack - may help / be a possible solution for the audio issue / transitions on clip 4?

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And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Thanks for the feedback oojason! Also, thank you for the tips about the music, I’ve been dabbling with “Your Father Would Be Proud” at the moment.

Here is a combined clip of Scenes 3 and 4. https://vimeo.com/344324725

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EDIT: I found a sound glitch at 17-18 seconds in this clip after turning up the volume which has been fixed on the main source now.

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I was poking around the movie and it looks like I’ve missed at least one other mention of Vader. This occurs during the first bit of the Rebel ground attack. The scene in question is dialogue between Tarkin’s “right hand man” and himself. The guy talks about the rebel attack on Scarif. Then Tarkin asks about Scarif and the Death Star Plans … which are confirmed … which then Tarkin directs the Death Star to go to Scarif AND inform Lord Vader. This will be a bit of a toughy since he says “and inform Lord Vader” very quickly …

I can play around with it, but the question is it ok to leave in? This is a such a short line that does not indicate that Vader will intervene as said and shown later in the film since I’ve removed Tarkin’s later line about Vader’s role on attacking the fleet as well as remove Vader’s appearance later as well.

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Here is a quick edit that cuts out his line after the “they are” line. https://vimeo.com/344421737

This does take away what his orders on going to Scarif, but it also makes it a “surprise” to see the Death Star later appear toward the end of the battle.