Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One? — Page 8

Tyrphanax said:

Tobar said:

^That is the best post yet that sums up everything that is actually known at this point. Well done!

My exact thoughts. Fantastic post, 'Falcon!

Thanks, guys! Just hope we’ll see some of the alternate footage on the Blu-Ray.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Seen the film for the second time. Really digging it and feel there’s a lot of fanedit potential. Like or hate TFA, the problems cited against it are so inherent to the film that they can’t really be removed with a fanedit.

Rogue One, on the other hand, just has some bad scenes that can be removed, so it’s ripe for us. 😃

My suggestions-

1. Don’t start in space, no need since crawl was axed. Possibly also remove “A long time ago…”
2. Cut opening for cringy child acting and blue milk throwaway shot.
3. Put scene of Jyn waking up in the present day to before the logo, clearly indicating the transition in time. This possibly reframes the opening scene as a dream, as it appeared to be in the trailer.
4. Replace oddly cheap-looking logo with nicer trailer logo.
5. After logo, first scene should now focus on Cassian killing informant.
6. Move first scene of Bodhi on Jedha to after Jyn and Cassian leave Yavin, in order to avoid excessive planet hopping. Follow it up directly with scene of Saw interrogating him. This means the audience never has to “leave Jedha” immediately after getting there the first time.
7. Reinstate “I Rebel”? Or at very least make ending of briefing scene less awkward. An alternative would be to have the final exchange be “Is that clear?”; “Yes, sir,” also from teaser.
8. Cut Cantina Fellows on Jedha.
9. Cut Psychic Alien monster; no real pay-off in the long-run
10. Trim Tarkin stuff throughout; camera lingers too long and performance is somewhat weak.
11. Cut first Vader scene at Bast Castle in its entirety because of poor performance vocally and physically. Better to save Vader for final scene at end.
12. Take out some of “odds” jokes, which grow excessive.
13. Cut 3PO and R2D2.
14. Radical, weird alternate ending idea I had! 😄 (not actually sure how well this would work):

But… instead of ending on a CGI Leia, have the Star Destroyer chase the Tantive, as per the opening shot of SW77, then cut to the deleted scene of Luke watching from the surface of Tatooine. Iris out on a close-up of Luke’s face, as he puts down the binoculars. This would require restoring the deleted scene to an acceptable level of quality, though it could be nice to bring back the “Luke’s theme” musical cue from SW77.

In any case, I feel ending on Luke would do a more clear job of concluding the film’s theme of hope- personifying it, as he is literally “A New Hope” instead of having another character simply say the word. Also, looking at bigger picture placement within the saga, it’s a nice changing of the guard from Vader, shown in close-up, to Luke, who would end the film in close-up. There’d also be an added bit of symmetry with Force Awakens, both ending on Luke.

Of course, we may have a bunch of deleted scenes to work with, as well! Though, my suspicion is that the reshot 3rd act is radically superior to the original.

That is a better post of yours… exactly my thoughts, well done.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Ronster said:

2. Bor Gullet was originally conceived to delve in to Jyn’s past not to find out if Bodhi Rook was telling the truth. From Concept art book.

Didn’t know. Appended my post to fit.

I still don’t believe that tie fighter on the gantry was ever a marketing shot. It was like that before they developed the Tie-Strikers no doubt. I don’t see the point in lying about it. It’s actually a fairly small thing although it was visually superior in the trailer. My gut feeling tells me Jyn had a mexican stand off with that Tie Fighter and shot the pilot through the glass with her blaster. That’s my speculation on it.

Sorry, but there’s really nothing to substantiate that and the official word has been consistent about straight-up admitting that it was a marketing ploy. Also don’t believe there’s a conspiracy at play. If anything, the official line makes Disney look worse than your speculation.

The only possible lie I could buy would be that the happy ending was never filmed; if it were actually filmed then scrapped, the official line that Disney was steadfast in supporting their deaths does make the Mouse House seem better/more artistically supportive.

Ok but I don’t mean straight up lie. I don’t know what all the fuss is about the “Tie Fighter” it has nothing to do with a CGI Tie fighter being there. It has to do with Jyn limping along that gantry and why is she limping?

That has nothing to do with marketing anything. I want to know why she is limping? Let’s just get it straight.

What point is there of her limping towards a switch box and then a Tie Striker also from quite a distance zooming past real fast shoots at her?

In terms of the shot composition it makes more sense that the tie fighter or tie striker or what ever CGI creation you want to put there is right by what she is limping and struggling along to get to. or at least hovering watching for a brief moment close by. Not flying past really quickly and bang explosion. Never mind the Limp…

Marketing is better than the film then? The Marketing department should be making these films because they understand the aesthetics of film better than the director? They even manage to copy the directors distinct style but no the director decides I’ll change it to a quick fly by explosion with very little meaning to it that does not look as good because the marketing department have already used that idea?

It got changed and the marketing department seems to prefer the other cut. Hey ho.

The other question you have to ask is why did the Tie-Striker shoot at the end of the Gantry where the Tie fighter was going to crash?

Gareth Edwards is not a Whizz Bang Director.

So, something more concrete as to what was added to the final product rather than removed/changed, that scene was definitely part of the reshoots: http://collider.com/rogue-one-darth-vader-scene/

darthrush said:

It’s nice to know that the reshoots added more Vader stuff and that the updated version of Rogue One didn’t cut out Vader possibly fighting on Scarif or anything. If they filmed him kicking ass on Scarif but cut it from the final version, I would be livid.

The re-shoots speak volumes, the original cut must have been even less coherent!

darthrush said:

IP55 said:

darthrush said:

It’s nice to know that the reshoots added more Vader stuff and that the updated version of Rogue One didn’t cut out Vader possibly fighting on Scarif or anything. If they filmed him kicking ass on Scarif but cut it from the final version, I would be livid.

The re-shoots speak volumes, the original cut must have been even less coherent!

I actually kinda wanted to see Jyn and Cassian running from AT-ACT’s. I love the third act as is, but there is always that lingering curiosity of seeing those cut beach scenes.

I’d like to see a different edit of the entire film, parts just didn’t work for me, agree on third act, best part by far. The opening is confused and it doesn’t flow right imo.

The only thing I really didn’t like re: shoots is vader’s castle 🏰

Why? Is it the fact that it exists at all or is it because it’s on Mustafar?

Lord Haseo said:

Why? Is it the fact that it exists at all or is it because it’s on Mustafar?

It’s a nod to the prequels

And it is just wrong

It’s a nod to both trilogies, since it’s a single 6-part saga I don’t really see the difference…

Childish behavior if you ask me.

IP55 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Why? Is it the fact that it exists at all or is it because it’s on Mustafar?

It’s a nod to the prequels

So what? They happened; get over it.

And it is just wrong

Based on what exactly? Vader having a Castle in the vicinity of where he lost everything makes sense as him being there would exacerbate his rage. How is that a bad thing?

I wonder what the people who grew up with the PT as their Trilogy, will think of the ST, once it’s complete.

As one of those people I was ver surprised with the quality of TFA and from the looks of ot VIII could be far better. I’m worried about IX though.

@Lord Haseo, Good to hear not everyone seemingly “hates” the start of the ST with TFA. Why are you worried about IX? Is it because of the death of Carrie Fisher, and how she was supposed to have a bigger role in it? If that’s the case, I just hope they do a good job with it.

Sorry for veering off topic… I have to say, the begging of R1 was a bit abbrupt, and could’ve been longer to setup the scene, before it starts off almost immediately with the Empire finding their lost scientist.

Sougouk said:

@Lord Haseo, Good to hear not everyone seemingly “hates” the start of the ST with TFA.

Are you kidding ? Well, here on OT.com the majority loves TFA. But it’s not (or “no longer”) the case in the outside world. How many times have I heard these past few weeks “R1 rocks, TFA sucked so much, at last a good SW movie !” ? Too many. People are now accepting the fact that TFA is PT quality (even less…) with an OT skin (people IRL, don’t forget, not here). Pretty sure next december will be “Episode 8 rocks, R1 sucked so much, at last a good SW movie !”…

MalàStrana said:

Sougouk said:

@Lord Haseo, Good to hear not everyone seemingly “hates” the start of the ST with TFA.

Are you kidding ? Well, here on OT.com the majority loves TFA. But it’s not (or “no longer”) the case in the outside world. How many times have I heard these past few weeks “R1 rocks, TFA sucked so much, at last a good SW movie !” ? Too many. People are now accepting the fact that TFA is PT quality (even less…) with an OT skin (people IRL, don’t forget, not here). Pretty sure next december will be “Episode 8 rocks, R1 sucked so much, at last a good SW movie !”…

Oh ok, my mistake, I thought there was more hate with TFA. I’m glad that there isn’t, because I think it was a nice change after the PT. Sure, the PT is not perfect, but still deserves to be seen.

Sougouk said:

@Lord Haseo, Good to hear not everyone seemingly “hates” the start of the ST with TFA.

From what I’ve seen recently a lot of people still seem to enjoy TFA to varying degrees. It doesn’t really matter to me because I like it and have consistently refuted many of the criticisms people had with the film. I’m just looking towards the future now.

Why are you worried about IX? Is it because of the death of Carrie Fisher, and how she was supposed to have a bigger role in it?

Yes and because of Colin whoeverthefuck. I wouldn’t have a problem if he was just directing the film instead of writing it.

Too true, everyone has a right to their opinion and like whatever they want.
In regards to IX, I hope the path to the light side will dawn on Disney to ensure IX is written and directed properly.