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Concerning the trailer footage - I’m not sure if there’s an effort from some involved in the movie to dismiss/tell porkies about certain things that were originally filmed, or not…but from the way Gareth worded his comments in the second last paragraph mentioned in this article, it sounded to me like marketing certainly thought that some of that discarded footage was excellent… -

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/original-rogue-one-screenplay-had-much-happier-much-different-ending-235717781.html

In the same Empire interview, Edwards talked about the fact that the movie trailers featured so much material that wasn’t in the actual finished version. “There was a bit of a process to refining the third act in terms of specific shots and moments, and certain things just fell away,” he explained. “What happened was marketing loved those shots and said, ‘Oh, we’ve got to use that.’ And you say, ‘Well, it’s not in the movie,’ and they said 'It’s okay. It’s what marketing does, we just use the best of whatever you’ve done.”

 

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doubleofive said:

timdiggerm said:

The article says that the next time we see Jyn was at her interrogation, not necessarily that it was the next scene. There could have been other scenes before then, but not her flashback with Saw (Young Jyn vs Younger Jyn), of course.

In the Collectors edition Magazine there is a photo of Jyn In shackles in a Cave type Area in Yavin. This is where she Is I think before they marched her out in shackles.

They try to make it sound like she was having a flashback while mon mothma was talking to them.

Please also read the Jabez Olsen interview. the first assembly was 3 hours.

Interesting though Vault door closing?

Since when did that happen?

I think the Storm troopers were trying to cut their way to the Vault like they are the robbers while Jyn and Cassian are locked inside stealing the plans so when the storm troopers get through they then escape… There is an interesting cutting tool prop in the Visual Guide.

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I would like to see a a director’s cut of this film. It was clearly taken out of his hands. It could have been brilliant but it was confused to say the least. Still a million times better than any of the other efforts. I await a good fan edit.

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Looks like Jyn did get to bop some troopers with her landing guides at one point.


Lots of good stills here.

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I didn’t miss the crawl at all.

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Interesting. Why are these pictures from deleted scenes being released now? Is someone trying to drum up interest in an alternate cut of the film?

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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ATMachine said:

Interesting. Why are these pictures from deleted scenes being released now? Is someone trying to drum up interest in an alternate cut of the film?

We live in hope

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Not sure if off-topic but look at this test footage for Guy Henry:

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bishabosha said:

Not sure if off-topic but look at this test footage for Guy Henry:

What are Princess Leia and Governer Tarkin doing together again?

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I call bs on anything being shot just for promos.

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As reported by Screen Junkies and a few other sources, the TIE fighter was just inserted into already shot footage of Jyn walking across the platform. Apparently, the trailer company added it themselves, and Lucasfilm liked the result enough that ILM was asked to refine it. I find this relatively believable, considering the same angle is used sans TIE fighter in the finished film.

Also heard from a fairly reliable source (not online) that the first Vader scene (with him standing in front of the monitors) and Krennic talking about immeasurable power is nothing more than the original version of the Bast Castle sequence. The original Vader actor apparently didn’t move quite right, hence why there are two actors credited.

From this information, the official narrative, which may very well be true, is that the most affected sequences by reshoots were:

  1. The beginning with the added introductory sequences to Jyn, Cassian, and Bohdi; it originally cut from the flashback to the briefing sequence, which, as per the original teaser, had more explicit verbal exposition of Jyn’s character which became redundant when she was given an action-packed introduction. K2-SO was also introduced further down the line, as seen in an early trailer: “The Captain says you are a friend.”

  2. Saw’s stuff was retooled with Saw now having a different appearance. This was because Jyn’s character arc may have been changed in reshoots (more on that down below). Note how his prevailing message in the teaser is negative towards Jyn pursuing rebellion: “What will you become if you continue to fight?” instead of the completely opposite positive message in the finished film actually encouraging Jyn to join the rebellion’s cause: “Save the rebellion. Save the dream.” Bor Gullet was originally used to explore Jyn’s background/past, not Bohdi’s.

  3. The heist of the Death Star plans was heavily truncated in order to avoid bloating the third act when the space battle was heavily expanded. This included such simplifications as making the archive and the transmitter in the same building on Jedha. You can see the original transmitter building (to where the crew was running) in some shots in the trailer. Most definitely reshot was the confrontation between Jyn and Krennic (possibly happened on the beach originally); the effects get ropey enough that it seems they were composited in.

This all does not discount alternate shots, also confirmed by the official narrative (particularly Ben Mendhelson’s interview about lots of alternate takes), which can be chalked up to Gareth Edward’s knack for experimentation. They’d play a scene radically different ways (eg. Krennic pulling a blaster to Tarkin’s face) and pick the best result.


(SPECULATION) Jyn’s Character Arc

As alluded to above, I personally suspect that the reshoots were predominantly done to make Jyn’s character arc more consistent.

In the finished film, Jyn transforms from the adamantly neutral party (“You can stand to see the Imperial flag everywhere?”/ Jyn: “Not a problem if you don’t look up.”) to a full fledged hero, who sacrifices herself for the cause of the rebellion. It’s a well-worn but undeniably effective character arc, not unlike that shown in a movie like Casablanca (minus the literal sacrifice bit). Crucial to altering this arc was the addition of the scene with the “look up” line above, as well as completely retooling Saw’s relationship with her by reshooting the Jedha scenes between the two to change Saw’s message to “Save the rebellion. Save the dream.”

I propose that in the original cut of the film, Jyn transformed from an anti-Imperial violent lone loose cannon (not unlike Saw) to a team leader. This is substantiated by Felicity Jone’s early promotional description of her character as someone who wants nothing more than to “bash stormtroopers’ heads in,” a characterization not quite apparent in the final film.

Indeed, Cassian was changed as a result; originally described as a recruiter (again, not in the final film), he was likely the one who saw the potential in her, trusting her enough (as seen in an early trailer) to help pilot the ship to Jedha and support her during the briefing. Saw’s part would be to convince her character that she needed, unlike him, to use less extreme methods, lest she follow in his footsteps (which leads to alienation and bodily damage).

The final point to understanding the original arc and perhaps the key reason that it proved ineffective dramatically is knowledge of the shooting screenplay’s happy ending. It seems a natural conclusion that if Jyn’s arc was to become a leader; she would be “rewarded” by film’s end with a position in the rebellion. That being said, because Edwards was given permission for all the characters to sacrifice themselves, it no longer satisfyingly concluded her arc. They shifted the arc in reshoots to better fit the ending (which they realized was one of the most potent parts of the whole film).

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^That is the best post yet that sums up everything that is actually known at this point. Well done!

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

  1. The beginning with the added introductory sequences to Jyn, Cassian, and Bohdi; it originally cut from the flashback to the briefing sequence, which, as per the original teaser, had more explicit verbal exposition of Jyn’s character which became redundant when she was given an action-packed introduction. K2-SO was also introduced further down the line, as seen in an early trailer: “The Captain says you are a friend.”

  2. Saw’s stuff was retooled with Saw now having a different appearance. It’s possible Bor Gullet was added (not sure either way). But, predominantly, this was because Jyn’s character arc may have been changed in reshoots (more on that down below). Note how his prevailing message in the teaser is negative towards Jyn pursuing rebellion: “What will you become if you continue to fight?” instead of the completely opposite positive message in the finished film actually encouraging Jyn to join the rebellion’s cause: “Save the rebellion. Save the dream.”

  3. The heist of the Death Star plans was heavily truncated in order to avoid bloating the third act when the space battle was heavily expanded. This included such simplifications as making the archive and the transmitter in the same building on Jedha. You can see the original transmitter building (to where the crew was running) in some shots in the trailer. Most definitely reshot was the confrontation between Jyn and Krennic (possibly happened on the beach originally); the effects get ropey enough that it seems they were composited in.

This all does not discount alternate shots, also confirmed by the official narrative (particularly Ben Mendhelson’s interview about lots of alternate takes), which can be chalked up to Gareth Edward’s knack for experimentation. They’d play a scene radically different ways (eg. Krennic pulling a blaster to Tarkin’s face) and pick the best result.


  1. With Regard to K2-SO that line “The Captain says you are a friend I will not Kill you” Could just as easily replace the Comedy Grenade toss over the shoulder… So if you look at the Background it clearly changes so it is a different set on the K2-S0 grenade toss it could be that is simply the insert. And K2-SO was meant to come to the city?

But that does not help explain Jyn and cassian being arrested for real by the storm troopers. So perhaps there are quite a few alternatives

  1. Bor Gullet was originally conceived to delve in to Jyn’s past not to find out if Bodhi Rook was telling the truth. From Concept art book.

  2. Yeah I think heavily truncated and paired down with cut’s (The Vault, Krennic on the beach) softened and plot alterations. Another shot to pay attention to is the Death troopers deaparting their transport. It looks off. Considering the original cut used modified cargo containers for these type of shots I would guess that is a digital insert. The death troopers would have departed with Krennic.

I still don’t believe that tie fighter on the gantry was ever a marketing shot. It was like that before they developed the Tie-Strikers no doubt. I don’t see the point in lying about it. It’s actually a fairly small thing although it was visually superior in the trailer. My gut feeling tells me Jyn had a mexican stand off with that Tie Fighter and shot the pilot through the glass with her blaster. That’s my speculation on it.

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Ronster said:

I still don’t believe that tie fighter on the gantry was ever a marketing shot. It was like that before they developed the Tie-Strikers no doubt. I don’t see the point in lying about it. It’s actually a fairly small thing although it was visually superior in the trailer. My gut feeling tells me Jyn had a mexican stand off with that Tie Fighter and shot the pilot through the glass with her blaster. That’s my speculation on it.

It’s been stated time and again from various sources that it was a test shot. The latest confirmation came in an interview with Clayton Sandell with RebelForceRadio where he recounts ILM’s explanation for the shot. There’s no conspiracy here.

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Ronster said:

  1. Bor Gullet was originally conceived to delve in to Jyn’s past not to find out if Bodhi Rook was telling the truth. From Concept art book.

Didn’t know. Appended my post to fit.

I still don’t believe that tie fighter on the gantry was ever a marketing shot. It was like that before they developed the Tie-Strikers no doubt. I don’t see the point in lying about it. It’s actually a fairly small thing although it was visually superior in the trailer. My gut feeling tells me Jyn had a mexican stand off with that Tie Fighter and shot the pilot through the glass with her blaster. That’s my speculation on it.

Sorry, but there’s really nothing to substantiate that and the official word has been consistent about straight-up admitting that it was a marketing ploy. Also don’t believe there’s a conspiracy at play. If anything, the official line makes Disney look worse than your speculation.

The only possible lie I could buy would be that the happy ending was never filmed; if it were actually filmed then scrapped, the official line that Disney was steadfast in supporting their deaths does make the Mouse House seem better/more artistically supportive.

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Tobar said:

^That is the best post yet that sums up everything that is actually known at this point. Well done!

My exact thoughts. Fantastic post, 'Falcon!

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