Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One? — Page 5

Should check out this interview with Ben Mendelsohn: http://collider.com/ben-mendelsohn-rogue-one-star-wars-interview/#changes

“We did have multiple, multiple ways of going at any given scenario, we had multiple readings of it. So should they ever decided to, there would be a wealth of ways of approaching these different things. And I know from having seen sort of the crucial kind of scenes throughout it, I know there’s vastly different readings of at least four of those scenes, with enormous differences within I would’ve said 20 or 30 of the scenes.”

TavorX said:

Tyrphanax said:

You also have to take into account that a lot of stuff these days is shot purely for the trailers and has no bearing on the actual film

I mean, you’re not wrong. I just wanted to be naive since the way TFA was marketed, I felt that its trailers were far more faithful to what we saw in theaters. Shots/dialogue that didn’t make it into the final cut, really had no effect on the film itself, so it was dismissable. Rogue One looks like it went off the rails big time when comparing trailers vs final cut.

But yeah, I totally get your stance; I made the mistake thinking that since TFA had an arguably solid ad-campaign, that it would also apply to this recent SW film.

Rogue One is a rare case in that so much of it was changed after the fact. The trailers weren’t purposefully misleading.

I honestly think trailers are almost completely worthless, and I’d highly recommend people avoid them as much as possible, especially for a film your going to see.

Someone suggested you could make a sort of Adventure game film (like those old choose your own adventure books like Fighting Fantasy).

I think with something like studying a film and trying to figure out what was cut, changed and so on, there are a number of factors to consider and these are as follows.

• Simply deleted scenes and expanded plot points that fit the narrative of any version of the film that are self contained.

• Alternate Versions that Change the Narrative or the tone and follow on from prior events but have no impact on future events. (Stub)

• Completely different Story points that only fit a select narrative (Branching or if you like a Y-Split it may also be a branch point that will rejoin the main narrative once again and loop back in)

• Re-Configuration. Altering times and places and order of events

I think the problem is there is so much stuff and information left floating about that contradicts what is in the film, that tells us about the other cut. It’s a bit of a mess in a way so there can be no denying of the other cut, it’s in every piece of ancillary material released to tie in with the film that was not the actual film we went to see although it is in spirit.

In the Ultimate Visual Guide a different version of the of Jyn’s Speech is eluded to.

Jyn - “I have never had the Luxury of Political opinions” It’s quite different to Run, Hide, Scatter your forces by the sounds of it. But it sounds pretty self contained some members of the Alliance were always going to show up obviously and fight on Scariff.

Also ATM Machine the Rogue One VR game has the U-Wing go to Wobani (Which is actually the planet Lah’Mu) to get Jyn.

Star Wars Battlefront Scariff features the Rebels on Scariff having to escape to a ship with the physical death star plans

I mean it’s really quite bad I feel a bit sorry for those software development teams or Game designers. It’s all nothing like the film.

Eadu was filmed in Iceland
Lah’Mu was filmed in Iceland
And the Ring of Kafene trading post is in an asteroid belt of which Lah’mu has an asteroid belt.

So you could possibly group those 3 places together as the same place and it could have all been the planet Eadu at one time. Especially if Galen had reservations about leaving his home after Krennics men shot his wife (from the Novel). He may have said “I am staying here otherwise you will have to kill me too”

Why do we only see Saw (Urgh) lifting the Hatch was there some sort of rescue? If Stormtroopers had not found young Jyn surely they did not just give up? Nobody left to guard the Erso Home? Galen had to have known Saw came to his daughters rescue otherwise he would not have sent the Pilot to Saw. He had to have known Saw saved Jyn to trust him at a later point.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Should check out this interview with Ben Mendelsohn: http://collider.com/ben-mendelsohn-rogue-one-star-wars-interview/#changes

“We did have multiple, multiple ways of going at any given scenario, we had multiple readings of it. So should they ever decided to, there would be a wealth of ways of approaching these different things. And I know from having seen sort of the crucial kind of scenes throughout it, I know there’s vastly different readings of at least four of those scenes, with enormous differences within I would’ve said 20 or 30 of the scenes.”

I think this is the problem. These films are being made in a corporate board room.

And they suck as a result.

I think the strange thing about it is.

They played the film loose and had multiple choices of how it was going to play out and with various plot points. But come the final assembly even though they had all these multiple events readings and choices they still had to do more re-shoots on top of what they had and alter it quite significantly.

Kathleen Kennedy talked about Saw’s character stating “We really wanted to include his character more, but we have more plan’s for him in the future” I don’t understand what stopped them? if they wanted to do that why could they not do that? Unless it was him having his leg chopped off? and it would push it in to the realm of the R Rated.

There has to be a good reason for the re-shoots, but I am actually failing to see any glaringly significant reason (Apart from Jyn “I Rebel”), and that is the strangest part about it all.

3 hours Assembly cut >>>> 2 hours 20 minutes directors cut. (Not including Re-shoots) >>> 2 hours 13 minutes Final Cut including re-shoots

Change for the sake of Change. Too Many cooks?

Perhaps Gareth Edwards wanted a Opening Crawl so bad he had to be refused Final cut? Even though he was still consulted and it seems everyone is very happy with Gareth Edwards regardless.

Ronster said:
Too Many cooks?

Yep. That simple I think.

Although we have pretty much covered all the material that we are aware of or rumoured to exist.

I think we need to focus attention on precisely identifying material that was Re-shot by Gilroy.

These scenes I think are Gilroy’s retooling Reshoots.

Wobani prision break? (Perhaps resurrected from an edit bin by Gilroy not shot by him)

Jyn at Yavin Base not in shackles softer character (Not in any active rebellion service)

K2-SO showing up to save Jyn and Cassian in Jedha city. K2SO was to become their fake imprisoner rather than the Storm troopers actually holding Jyn and Cassian prisoner. Weakened the hard edge and furthermore made Chirrut and Baze rescue attempt less impactful as they were never really prisoners. Silly Gags not really funny. now Run’s off back to the ship.

Galens Hologram Message?

Flying to Eaudu Comic relief and the U-wing Calamity Crash Nobody notices. Rather than Stealth mission to an imperial facilty undetected with a more fearful what the hell are we getting in to serious edge.

Jyn’s Speech to the Rebel Council on Yavin Jyn fluffed up to becoming a sort of Leader even though they just killed her father. Her tone should have been “What are you doing?” “We had my father we were going to bring him back but you killed him”

From these that I have singled out you should notice Gilroy’s different style verses Gareth Edwards Style.

Obvious retooling pairing down at the end not so much re-shoot…

“Stardust” as Jyn’s nickname and the name of the Death star plans.

Darth Vader Slasher sequence (A stunt Darth Vader was Hired for re-shoots apparently)

Not all bad but problems were created in this part of the process even if they were to fix a “Problem” No on location shoots were performed in different countries by the look of it.

Ronster, maybe I’m being unfair to Edwards, I don’t know. I’m not really interested in going back and putting all these pieces together, nor I do have the time. But thanks to you and others who put in that legwork.

I’d like to know something. The direction in this film, or at least the final cut of the film, is terrible. I’m being harsh, and I hate it, but it really looks like the director was just pointing the camera at the actors with little or no thought at any interesting shots. The film is visually boring, from a cinematic standpoint.

Is that on Gilroy? Is that on Edwards? Or was it both?

I hated the camera work in this film.

100% Edwards in these trailers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

I think sequences like this there is a bit more wobble and I don’t think this is re-shoot material either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Udcffrexw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLynG8Z5M0

All of the on location shoooting was done by Edwards so that is Iceland Wadi Rum Jordan and Maldives.

Thanks Ronster. It took me about 2 seconds to figure out the Jyn/Yavin 4 interrogation scene was a reshoot. So much better in the trailer. There were a couple bad things in the first trailer but not many and overall it was way better than the final film.

Disney and their University Admissions Poster execs need to stay the **** out of these movies.

You were complaining about the cutting pertaining to Galen’s death scene. you can probably blame “Stardust” for that. That would be an insert no need to go to Iceland for that scene on the landing platform. Because it’s a movie set.

Personally I can not remember it. But I will look out for it next time I watch it.

I think it’s not all bad though but I do definitely feel cheated out of some of those great shot’s in the trailers being deleted and replaced by a lesser skilled visually inferior treatment in some respects.

There is no way this can be swept under the rug ever.

Ronster said:

There is no way this can be swept under the rug ever.

Lol you guys are the best.

A small extension

One version of The Lahmu Prologue had Galen Erso stripping parts off his Land speeder outside (As per Story Board images) this is possibly an alternative to watching Jyn play out the Window. The Land speeder Prop was created as a static prop not a vehicle. It was not a working vehicle.

This would be from the original shoot. His introduction would have been his leg’s under the Speeder before he emerges out from underneath. That would be our original introduction to him.

TavorX said:

When you’re on a forum like this, can you blame them? I mean, the motto of this place is, “PRESERVE ALL THE STAR WARS!!!” unless I’m mistaken?

There’s a difference between preserving everything and being hyperbolic about it.

There’s also a difference between preserving the theatrical release of three of the most important movies made and preserving trailer shots and alternate takes from a different movie, while writing long essays about how much you hate it.

No it’s not Hyperbole. The remnants of the other cut are in the books and games and trailers which have been released or referencing extensive work that was created for this other cut.

Even if Lucusfilm wanted to sweep it under the rug there really is not much point now as there is so many things people can see that did not end up in the film it would be more ludicrous to deny that it ever existed as it’s in print, video footage and Games.

I don’t think Lucusfilm are really being tight lipped about any of it. They are not releasing any real solid details of it exactly apart from a few bit’s here and there.

I think it is very interesting and fun to find things. And really I don’t think we can go much further until we get some solid facts.

Bringing all the information together is fun and having a guess at the re-shoots is more fun 😃

I should add I like the film a lot but I also can’t help wondering if I would like the other cut more or less than the version we saw in the cinema.

It’s different and that is what makes it so compelling.

TV’s Frink said:

There’s a difference between preserving everything and being hyperbolic about it.

There’s also a difference between preserving the theatrical release of three of the most important movies made and preserving trailer shots and alternate takes from a different movie, while writing long essays about how much you hate it.

There is indeed a difference between preserving a finished, historically significant set of films, and preserving unfinished works-in-progress. I agree with you on that. But on your other point, this is a Star Wars forum, what else do you expect people to talk about? Your posts could use a lot less 3PO and a lot more content as far as I’m concerned.

Tyrphanax said:

I’ll be interested in seeing what’s there when we actually dig up concrete stuff, but the speculation is a bit much for me.

There is very little speculation going on.

The U-wing with the green Laser Grid stealth mission is talked about in the Concept art of Rogue One The story board has it landing near a herd of some sort of Oxen or cows running away as the ship lands.This is from Gareth Edwards.

Galen Under the broken Land speeder is in the Concept art book story boarded and the Visual Guide shows the full finished prop

The Shots of Jyn and Cassian being arrested by Storm troopers is in the trailers and a featurette

We know that Galens death scene was altered and that “Stardust” was put in also this image below should tell you that something was “Changed” about the sequence.

There is Concept Art for the Partisans x-wings fleeing Jedha and it’s also confirmed as canon that some of them escape. I imagine it was more a plot point to increase tension as a perhaps one or 2 of them being destroyed as the U-wing escapes. The art showed 4 of them. You can see the black x-wings in the film if only briefly. Moroff is seen on Scariff in a featurette that is in the Maldives not on a studio set.

There is very little wild speculation going on… Guess the re-shoot well that is more tricky unless Gareth tells us.

Plenty of Deleted scenes which could go in any version. Not seeing many alternatives at least yet.

Alderaan said:

Your posts could use a lot less 3PO and a lot more content as far as I’m concerned.

Good to know.