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The novelization came out today. Certainly it was written well before the reshoots. Someone has to grab a copy and find out what it has.

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Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.

Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

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OK, maybe the Rebellion gets word from Saw, he knows of a weapon and has details, but will only reveal it to Jyn for {reasons}. The Rebels break out or release Jyn from their own custody (hence the bit in the early trailers about being trusted without her shackles). Turns out he wants to reveal that her father is alive and that he knows where to find the plans. Meanwhile, the DS’s weapon test is on Jedha, which is successful, but they escape without seeing what caused the blast.

Not sure about the crashed X-Wing though.

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timdiggerm said:

Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.

Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?

Start not necessarily but certainly she ends up on Yavin in cuffs.

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Do we know there was a missing strike on Jedha? Where does that come from? As for Eadu, it’s possible there could have been a sequence there beforehand but it would have been completely different. My biggest question mark is where Galen fits into all of this pre-reshoots.

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

I think the sequencing of things aren’t too different from the theatrical. Jyn is on Jedha with Saw beforehand via flashbacks, but the sequence with Cassian, Bodhi, K2, etc. doesn’t happen until after Yavin. It was still their first stop, and probably for similar reasons.

As for the Death Star, who knows.

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DominicCobb said:

timdiggerm said:

Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.

Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?

Start not necessarily but certainly she ends up on Yavin in cuffs.

Very good point. Not sure how that works with Jedha before Yavin. Hm.

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Do we know there was a missing strike on Jedha? Where does that come from? As for Eadu, it’s possible there could have been a sequence there beforehand but it would have been completely different. My biggest question mark is where Galen fits into all of this pre-reshoots.

See my links here, but I guess we don’t know. Agree about Galen pre-reshoots being a mystery.

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

I think the sequencing of things aren’t too different from the theatrical. Jyn is on Jedha with Saw beforehand via flashbacks, but the sequence with Cassian, Bodhi, K2, etc. doesn’t happen until after Yavin. It was still their first stop, and probably for similar reasons.

I may be coming around to your view on this order of events.

As for the Death Star, who knows.

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timdiggerm said:

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Do we know there was a missing strike on Jedha? Where does that come from? As for Eadu, it’s possible there could have been a sequence there beforehand but it would have been completely different. My biggest question mark is where Galen fits into all of this pre-reshoots.

See my links here, but I guess we don’t know. Agree about Galen pre-reshoots being a mystery.

Hmm, well that could have easily been an off-screen event.

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

I think the sequencing of things aren’t too different from the theatrical. Jyn is on Jedha with Saw beforehand via flashbacks, but the sequence with Cassian, Bodhi, K2, etc. doesn’t happen until after Yavin. It was still their first stop, and probably for similar reasons.

I may be coming around to your view on this order of events.

The first full trailer seems to imply as much and I don’t see why not.

Also, rewatching that trailer, Eadu and the X-Wing strike is definitely there. So I don’t know what that means for Galen. I guess they still go there to find him and he still dies there probably. And there are definitely X-Wings on Scarif too. So not all my assumptions may be entirely correct.

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How much I dearly hope we get proper deleted/alternate scenes on the Blu-ray. I’ll be disappointed if all this is just swept under the rug. TFA’s bonus material already felt too sterile compared to the Prequel’s DVD bonus material.

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It’s a shame this one’s unlikely to get the Rinzler treatment. A full in-depth play by play would be fantastic.

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I believe the mission to Eaudu (Planet) is the least changed part of the film. I think it’s practically left intact from original cut.

When the Death Star Shoots at Jedha the partisans run and you can see them around some x-wings with the black and white paint job. This means that those crashed black and white x-wings were probably not only meant to feature in some kind of strike on Jedha’s imperial occupation forces and lose but also possibly on Scariff. Because that would put Moroff on Scariff so in the original version the partisans escaped and became part of Jyn’s heist on Scarif or showed up to help. It explains the captured pilots being marched through the streets. When one Soldier Jumps out of a U-Wing he also scream “FOR JEDHA!!!”

Jyn and Cassian were to walk with Pilgrims to the City and the Jedha Camels were in tow. (This could have been old version or reshoots)

Extended Vader exit of BACTA TANK Vanee the servent get’s Vader’s cloak and gloves. His helmet and robot limbs are fitted automatically by a machine.

Krennic had his gun and was shooting at people on the beach so there was definitely a shoot out between Krennic and the Rebels along with the Death Troopers on the beaches.

Large talk / Speech in the Hanger on Yavin IV with Dodonna and Bail Organa and a huge crowd of Rebel’s.

Darth Vader was aboard the Death Star in the original cut.

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joefavs said:

It’s a shame this one’s unlikely to get the Rinzler treatment. A full in-depth play by play would be fantastic.

Whitta wrote the first draft and Jyn wasn’t even in it (or Knoll suggested her during writing). What did they start with?

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emanswfan said:

How much I dearly hope we get proper deleted/alternate scenes on the Blu-ray. I’ll be disappointed if all this is just swept under the rug. TFA’s bonus material already felt too sterile compared to the Prequel’s DVD bonus material.

Swept under the rug is a possibility. TFA went through some big reshoots as well (though not even close to this) which led to the excision of scenes such as Maz at the Resistance base. So it’s possible LFL is taking a “pretend it doesn’t exist” course when it comes to deleted scenes negated by the final film.

On the other hand, there’s good reason to believe TFA is a specific case, where certain things that were cut they don’t want you to see, depending on how things play out in VIII and IX. It’s even less clear with TFA than RO, but I do believe the original intention was that both Rey and Finn were called to the saber, which then lead to a flashback explaining its journey (probably in place of the Force vision). Then Maz gives Leia the saber at the base and tells her it should be with Finn. I don’t know when Finn’s Force awakening was cut (either during shooting or in post), and I’m not sure if it was simply done as part of emphasizing Rey’s journey (with Finn’s to come later), or because it was decided Finn wouldn’t be Force sensitive at all. Either way, they don’t want us to know about it, so they cut whatever of that storyline was shot. As well, it is unclear how much in the way of Force abilities they want Maz to have, so they cut out her bringing the rocks down on the troopers, which is why the Han “Smoke?” deleted scene ends abruptly. Again, who knows if this is because they want to reveal her powers later, or because they don’t want her to have powers.

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doubleofive said:

joefavs said:

It’s a shame this one’s unlikely to get the Rinzler treatment. A full in-depth play by play would be fantastic.

Whitta wrote the first draft and Jyn wasn’t even in it (or Knoll suggested her during writing). What did they start with?

I thought the pitch from Knoll was essentially the story of the rebels stealing the plans, lead by the daughter of the man who constructed it.

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DominicCobb said:

doubleofive said:

joefavs said:

It’s a shame this one’s unlikely to get the Rinzler treatment. A full in-depth play by play would be fantastic.

Whitta wrote the first draft and Jyn wasn’t even in it (or Knoll suggested her during writing). What did they start with?

I thought the pitch from Knoll was essentially the story of the rebels stealing the plans, lead by the daughter of the man who constructed it.

You’re right, I got that backwards.

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LexX said:

How do you guys feel seeing stuff on the trailers that aren’t in the film? I think it’s very misleading, I’ve been wondering a long time what all the snippets meant and was looking forward to the subway scene and many others. I mean seriously, like 95% of the dialogue and over half of the stuff shown in advance wasn’t in the movie.

I really hope the BD contains a lot of deleted footage.

It’s not misleading if that’s what was in the movie when they cut the trailer. Besides, I’d much rather have a trailer of things not in the movie that give me a flavor of what the movie is about than a trailer that’s just the best parts.

It is since you’re making to believe stuff happens in the movie that doesn’t. We all know the plot and yes, the trailer gives you an idea what’s it like, but like I said I think most of what we heard/saw wasn’t in the movie. Of course I understand the film making process but from a marketing point of view, you’ve been teased with stuff that isn’t there. I mean, I think it’s a great movie and I like being surprised and not shown best bits, but I did saw great bits that actually aren’t in the movie! They’re still showing deleted stuff in TV ads etc.

Kudos to them not spoiling any more surprises, cameos or funny lines in the trailers though.

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Wobani feels to me like the obvious insert. This could have happened on Jedha as we never really see outside the Transport (Juggernaught).

The prison cell also appears to be very minimal. There is footage of that squid like creature she shares a cell with jumping along the Jedha street so I think Wobani was Jedha originally but it was made in to another planet.

Jyn was being sent to work on the Kyber Crystal mines as that was a plot point.

Ring of Kafene is probably the opening of the original film.

Triangle Face may have featured at the opening on Jedha he might have also put Jyn behind bars.

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Wobani feels to me like the obvious insert. This could have happened on Jedha as we never really see outside the Transport (Juggernaught).

The prison cell also appears to be very minimal. There is footage of that squid like creature she shares a cell with jumping along the Jedha street so I think Wobani was Jedha originally but it was made in to another planet.

Jyn was being sent to work on the Kyber Crystal mines as that was a plot point.

Ring of Kafene is probably the opening of the original film.

Triangle Face may have featured at the opening on Jedha he might have also put Jyn behind bars.

Ronster, that is some pretty good stuff. Can you provide any links for that stuff?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2N0Mn4i4Dw

squid bloke walking in Jeha at 0.55.

Basically WOBANI is made up from scenes on Jedha I am positive about that.

Triangle Face was some sort of Law enforcement officer, he was after Ponda Babba and Dr Evanzan so if Jyn was up to bad stuff he may have caught her? I can not confirm that but it would make sort of sense.

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Baze’s “They destroyed our home!” on Erdu keeps it after Jehda, I’d think.

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So if Jyn was Broken out of Captivity on Jedha there are 2 questions do the rebellion break her out or was she broken out by the Partisans?

In the scene in one of the trailers she is clearly meeting K2-SO for the first time in Jedha city. or was it another Imperial enforcement droid and not K2-SO…

It also raises the question of when they went to Yavin? After the Death Star fires or before the Death Star fires and back to Jedha again?

It’s very difficult to know exactly how it changed at this time.

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Based on the Saw trailer for Rebels, I’m assuming we’ll see his crippling happen in the show soon.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Different suit of Saw younger Jyn

Saw’s Line “What will you become?” is in reference to people being modified by experimental surgery after war wounds… This may have been to do with the 2 criminals who had death warrants in 12 systems.

Basically this sub-plot was probably to feature fairly prominently with triangle face it would seem. Bounty Hunter & sort of a detective.

I have no idea who is talking to but I think it has to do with the experimental and highly illegal surgery. Cybernetic surgery. Ironically he has the process done to him post Geonosis.

The whole on Life Support part is missing as even though he had no legs and robot legs he still could not have run away from Jedha as he could not leave the machine in his base that was keeping him alive.

There are so many of these make up effects created that it’s totally unplausable that so much time would be spent on something that never got mentioned so it was part of the plot originally.

The Death Troopers are of the same ilk and are also cyborgs. They are Dead but alive by Cybernetics.

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Ronster said:

So if Jyn was Broken out of Captivity on Jedha there are 2 questions do the rebellion break her out or was she broken out by the Partisans?

I don’t think she was broken out from Jedha. It was probably just Wobani. Though there’s reason to believe she has been a Saw/Partisan style rebel, she’s been on her own since 15 according to the first teaser. So while we’re missing scenes of her and Saw on Jedha they’re probably flashbacks.

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Saw’s Line “What will you become?” is in reference to people being modified by experimental surgery after war wounds… This may have been to do with the 2 criminals who had death warrants in 12 systems.

I think that line has more to do with the what kind of person one becomes when they go through some serious shit. Not a physical transformation.

I doubt Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba were ever anything more than cameos.

Basically this sub-plot was probably to feature fairly prominently with triangle face it would seem. Bounty Hunter & sort of a detective.

I have no idea who is talking to but I think it has to do with the experimental and highly illegal surgery. Cybernetic surgery. Ironically he has the process done to him post Geonosis.

The whole on Life Support part is missing as even though he had no legs and robot legs he still could not have run away from Jedha as he could not leave the machine in his base that was keeping him alive.

There are so many of these make up effects created that it’s totally unplausable that so much time would be spent on something that never got mentioned so it was part of the plot originally.

The Death Troopers are of the same ilk and are also cyborgs. They are Dead but alive by Cybernetics.

I doubt any of this is the case.

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I think it’s more of a theme than a sub-plot but the Death troopers are Cyborgs that is 100%

Saw Gerrera is half machine and has iron Lungs.

Benthic / Edrio (two tubes) again he is heavily modified Vader chest box to boot.

Moroff has a Metal plate over his mouth again cybernetic modification.

There is a guy without a head as the tank rolls in Jedha

There is a woman with a hardrive stuck in her head.

I am not making it up.

Notice the hardcore Partisans all have stuff over their mouths. That is from Geonosis battle with the insectocide probably.